Rosewinter64

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Quotation marks

Hi Rose, thanks for your edits to Mahalia Jackson. However, Wikipedia uses logical quotation, which means quotes are placed according to whether the punctuation is part of the enclosed text (therefore in most cases the quotes come before the punctuation). I have therefore modified your edit accordingly. Graham87 15:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Graham. Thanks for the heads up.

Until reading your message today, I had never heard of "logical quotation." For many years, I worked as a proofreader and editor at Loyola University New Orleans (located in New Orleans, Louisiana, in the U.S.) In creating the university's editorial style guide, I researched many editorial style and grammar publications. In doing so, never once did I come across anything other than how it is stated on Loyola's website: "When at the end of a quoted phrase or sentence, commas and periods are included inside quotation marks; colons and semicolons are outside quotation marks." According to our style--and all others I've come across previously--the only punctuation mark used in the "logical quotation" method is the question mark which "is placed inside quotation marks when it punctuates only the material enclosed and not the sentence as a whole. It is placed outside when it punctuates the entire sentence."

As I read a few minutes ago, Wikipedia has been criticized for this practice before by many others far more knowledgeable than I. I have to say in my opinion it is SO wrong. I am appalled that Wikipedia would perpetuate such a grammatically incorrect practice. I feel by doing so, Wiki is undoing what is taught in schools and confusing the many students who use Wikipedia for reference. When they see the incorrect usages on Wikipedia's website, I'm sure it leads them to believe Wiki's usage is correct when it is not.

After so many years editing, I cannot read anything without finding errors. I may not be able to use Wikipedia anymore let alone edit it. Obviously, I have not taken the editing tutorial, but I will now--if only to see what other "logical" editing options Wiki promotes. If there are too many that go against what is correct, I will not edit anymore. I do not want to corrupt what I already know to be correct by having to learn incorrect practices.

Thank you again, Graham. Despite my snooty and uppity remarks, I truly am thankful for your message. BTW, I'm not always snooty and uppity. :D

Rosewinter64 (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Quotation marks and closing punctuation

Hi, welcome to WP. I've left an exchange here for you. Tony (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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