Rickuz85

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Rickuz85, good luck, and have fun. – Jnanaranjan Sahu (ଜ୍ଞାନ) ^talk 18:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Italian motorized divisions

Hi,

You appear to have a point about the divisions not being motorized. I have conducted a brief search of Google Books and provided info on the various talkpages. I have also contacted Jim Sweeney (talk · contribs), who has previously discussed this issue, to see if he would like to contribute to the discussion.

Regards EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 06:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not an expert of wikipedia so i don't know if I'm answering correctly. I'm 100% sure of the issue, it seems that the english translation of "autotrasportabile" had made some problems in some low quality sources.

Anyway, apart the two italian armored divisions in the theatre before El-Alamein (the "Ariete" and later the "Littorio"), the only italian infantry division fully motorised was the "Trieste".If you notice, in Crusader and Gazala battles, the italian mobile corps that fought with the DAK (italian XX corps) was only composed by Ariete and Trieste Divisions. Other italian divisions were always static and used in fixed positions.

The "Trento" division could be considered an exception (so it's not wrong to find "motorised Trento"), because it had an infantry motorised regiment (7° Bersaglieri regiment) and an artillery motorised regiment, while other regiments weren't motorised. That said it wasn't in the mobile italian XX corps because not fully motorised and was always used in static positions.

I've seen you have made a lot of contributions, do you know if it's possibile to change the main title?

Is possible in wikipedia to send a private message?

Thank you

Regards Rickuz85 (talk) 07:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I am all but sure there is no way of sending private messages. Everything is conducted, as far as I am aware, in the open.

In regards to the Desert War, it has long been a passion of mine but one that I have not read up on in a long time. The Trento Division provides a perfect example of this. Off the top of my head, I would have said it was one of the mobile divisions but during my searching earlier noted quite a number of books noting it as just a infantry division. Your explanation goes some way to clearing up a misunderstanding I had about that one.

As for changing the title of pages, any editor (unless there are locks in place) can do it. Once consensus has been reached on the proper naming of the division, it can be easily changed to something everyone can agree on.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 10:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

About the Trento, to be more accurate, all three infantry regiments were originally motorised but, due to lack of motor transports that characterized italian army, in Africa trucks were removed from two of them (61° and 62° "Sicilia" regiments) and transferred to different logistics units. For this reason, only the 7° bersaglieri regiment was mobile and often detached from the division.

Anyway I've found a definition of "autotrasportabile" in an english written book ("italian soldier in north africa 1941-43" by Osprey, page 7): "italian divisions were organized as "divisioni autotrasportabili AS (Africa Settentrionale)", infantry divisions lacking motr trasport of their own but suited to motorization using a motr transport pool. It's about the same I've written in the articles some time ago.

Regards Rickuz85 (talk) 13:17, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Really late

I have made requests for the various pages to be moved to more appropriate titles. If you visit their talkpages, you will be able to comment.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 16:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice Job, thanks

Regards --Rickuz85 (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2015 (UTC)