User talk:RexxS/Archive 46

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	And to this show of appreciation I’ll add a very special THANK YOU for your technical help, taking the time to answer my questions and for adding that really kewl image carrousel I requested for my user page. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dawnleelynn, Alex Shih, and Atsme: Thanks to each of you for such kind sentiments. I wish you all joy and happiness for the forthcoming festive season. --RexxS (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

WD infoboxes introducing mistakes

Doug, If you look at this - you will see why I removed the WD infobox. It's picking up the wrong "collection". The 3 collections on the WD item are correct, but not in a good sequence. As the article explains, it only belonged to Mellon for a year or so, & he bought it to give to the NGA. Johnbod (talk) 15:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Johnbod: (from talk page stalker) That seems correct - it's in the Paul Mellon Collection at the NPG? The problem seems to be that the infobox is only displaying part of the info on Wikidata, as it's only using the parts that have references (at the insistence of editors here). I've added the reference to the location at the NPG, so that also now shows up in the infobox. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:39, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

?? NGA you mean. We shouldn't normally worry about internal "by donor" museum "collections". The painting did actually belong to Mellon for about a year only, as I said. Johnbod (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, NGA, sorry. The collection name is shown in the summary info at [1], so would seem OK to also display in the infobox... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I'd give way to John in making a decision on what is the best information for an infobox in the visual arts. If there's nuanced information under debate, it's safest to leave that out of the infobox and cover it in the body of the article. My advice here, as usual, is to use the Wikidata-enabled infobox and simply override below-par entries with locally supplied ones. That's going to be the case for some time until we can mobilise a larger editor base to add lots more decent references to Wikidata items. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rex! Mike, you might look at the 276 sub-cats in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Collections_of_the_Metropolitan_Museum_of_Art_by_donor, only one or two of which are physically segregated in the museum. Donors are never given in wikipedia hand-crafted infoboxes for individual works that I have seen, and I don't think they should be. Obviously museums, especially in the US, like to big up the donor to encourage others, but this stuff belongs in the text, not the infobox, where it will usually be found, as in this case. It certainly should not be an innovation imposed without thought or discussion from Wikidata, and most certainly should not replace/suppress the name of the museum, which was the case here. Your NGA search included "Mellon" - if you look at the result of a normal search using just the artist name, "Mellon" does not appear on the main page. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the collection name wasn't suppressing the museum name - the museum name wasn't being shown as it was unreferenced on Wikidata. If you look back at the version now, you'll see both are displayed after I made these edits. I'm not arguing, though! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, but the net result, not mentioning the NGA or Washington, but saying "Paul Mellon Collection" - of which there are several, for example most of the Yale Center for British Art - was highly misleading, making the infobox a net negative. Johnbod (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm working on referencing the Wikidata entry and adding a little of the provenance from https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.46.html#provenance to our article. That should make the Wikidata entity more viable as a repository of the bare facts not only for us but for the other 300 projects. Silver lining and all that ... --RexxS (talk) 23:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - why I brought it here. But it's a tad alarming that if the actually important current location isn't referenced & so useable, WD will just shove some other factoid into the infobox. Johnbod (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

That's just an artefact of one statement (the collection) having a genuine reference and another statement (the location) not being referenced and hence not appearing. The collection (P195) does not exclude the location (P276), but my code excludes unreferenced statements by default.

More importantly, I think I've unpicked the story: the information on both Wikidata and Wikipedia appear to confuse the A.W. Mellon Educational and Charitable Trust and the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, which are two different bodies. The former is the successor to the Mellon Trust, established as a trust fund in 1930 and dissolved circa 1979 – this was the body that in 1931 was deeded The Annunciation and other works purchased by Andrew Mellon over the previous several months. The latter was created as a private foundation by the merger of Avalon Foundation and the Old Dominion Foundation (separate foundations by AW Mellon's children). There is also the Andrew W. Mellon collection which is the label used by the NGA for those works that were given to them by the Mellon Educational and Charitable Trust in 1937. I've got a bit more work to do. If you get a chance, John, perhaps you could take a look at Mellon Trust and see if I've misinterpreted the sources? --RexxS (talk) 00:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

No, that's right, I'm sure. Mellon set up a holding trust for stuff intended for the NGA while the thing was being built. There are squads of other Melolon trusts & foundations, no doubt, which are not concerned here. The painting article covers this. Johnbod (talk) 02:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Snorkleing page edit

Hi RexxS,

I sadly noticed that my last edit on snorkeling page was removed (type of snorkels). I added approx one month ago and I just noticed that the source link was not placed on the correct way, so I just wanted to correct it on the way like the others placed their links.

To do this I updated my edit 2-3x because something went wrong, so this was not a test from my side.

Can you please review and put it back, or please let me know what is the correct way if it is still not good?

I am not a spammer and I believe this edit is adequate, the information was missing from the original wiki page.

Thanks --A G Owen (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@A G Owen: I don't agree that Snorkel Around The World is a reliable source. Our definition at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources #Overview is "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." I see no evidence of Snorkel Around The World having any reputation whatsoever for fact-checking and accuracy. Moreover, the site appears to be a commercial enterprise, with links to Amazon generating income for the site. I find it difficult to accept that such a site can make neutral pronouncements about issues such as CO2 buildup being caused by the design of the mask, when it is promoting particular masks (and stands to benefit from their purchase).

I'll also draw your attention to WP:MEDRS, which requires peer-reviewed secondary sources for any biomedical claim made in any article on Wikipedia. Your assertion that "There are safety concerns pointing to the possibility of excessive CO2 build-up inside full face snorkel masks", for example, is a biomedical claim that you are trying to support using Snorkel Around The World as a source. That is completely unacceptable.

Finally, I note from your contributions that the only two sources you have attempted to use are a Google search (not usable) and Snorkel Around The World. I am sorry if I remain unconvinced by your assertions above, but that pattern of adding a commercial source to multiple articles (Underwater videography and Snorkeling) fits exactly what we call "adspam". Please review Wikipedia:Spam and try to look at your contributions from the viewpoint of an editor concerned with maintaining the quality of Wikipedia, and perhaps you'll see more clearly why your contributions were reverted. --RexxS (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@RexxS

Sorry I am not agree with you since on that page there are more sites mentioned in the footer. 1: snorkelstore.net why is that site different in your point? (4. "Full Face Snorkel Mask Reviews: Tribord EasyBreathe Alternatives for a Lower Price, Lower Quality) 2. if you check the links you can find even link affiliate through amazon I think this is not the right way... (7. "Best Quality 2017 Full Face Snorkel Mask") Anyway I don't want to fight with anyone but I wanted to understand the system. Either we follow the rules or not we have to decide. Let me know. Thx. --A G Owen (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by A G Owen (talk • contribs) 09:24, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@A G Owen: Feel free to remove commercial spam sites from articles when you find them. Just because somebody hasn't removed other promotional sites yet isn't an excuse for you to put more spam on the page. Why don't you try making a case for including your dubious sources on the talk page of the relevant article? You'll soon find that plenty of other experienced editors will tell you that such sites are not reliable sources, and I've already quoted the "rule" to you. Which bit of "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" can't you get your head around? For somebody who doesn't want to fight, you're certainly doing a good impression of it. --RexxS (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rexxs: No worries I won't remove any links since I just wanted to understand how it works(that's why I asked). I don't think I am the right person to decide which content is spam or not spam. Thanks anyway, have a good day!--A G Owen (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. WikiCite issue GLAM ♥ data — what is a gallery, library, archive or museum without a catalogue? It follows that Wikidata must love librarians. Bibliography supports students and researchers in any topic, but open and machine-readable bibliographic data even more so, outside the silo. Cue the WikiCite initiative, which was meeting in conference this week, in the Bay Area of California. Wikidata training for librarians at WikiCite 2018 In fact there is a broad scope: "Open Knowledge Maps via SPARQL" and the "Sum of All Welsh Literature", identification of research outputs, Library.Link Network and Bibframe 2.0, OSCAR and LUCINDA (who they?), OCLC and Scholia, all these co-exist on the agenda. Certainly more library science is coming Wikidata's way. That poses the question about the other direction: is more Wikimedia technology advancing on libraries? Good point. Wikimedians generally are not aware of the tech background that can be assumed, unless they are close to current training for librarians. A baseline definition is useful here: "bash, git and OpenRefine". Compare and contrast with pywikibot, GitHub and mix'n'match. Translation: scripting for automation, version control, data set matching and wrangling in the large, are on the agenda also for contemporary library work. Certainly there is some possible common ground here. Time to understand rather more about the motivations that operate in the library sector. Links Wikidata and Libraries: Facilitating Open Knowledge, book chapter by Mairelys Lemus-Rojas, metadata librarian and Lydia Pintscher, Wikidata Product Manager, from Leveraging Wikipedia: Connecting Communities of Knowledge (2018) LD4P and WikiCite: Opportunities for collaboration, WikiCite 2018 program abstract, Christine Fernsebner Eslao of Harvard Library Information and Technical Services and Michelle Futornick, Linked Data for Production Program Manager at Stanford University Shell Lessons for Librarians, Library Carpentry lesson At-risk content on Flickr, blogpost 3 November 2018, Andrew Gray Toward an Abstract Wikipedia, recent white paper by Wikidata founder Denny Vrandečić (Google) Account creation is now open on the ScienceSource wiki, where you can see SPARQL visualisations of text mining. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Fetching the Commons sitelink

Hi RexxS. I've been working on {{Commons category/sandbox}} to try to improve its connection with Wikidata (following up on the RfC). It would be quite useful to have a Lua function that fetches the Commons category sitelink either from the linked Wikidata entry or from topic's main category (P910), falling back to Commons category (P373) where there is no sitelink (or the only commons sitelink is to a gallery not a category). I think I can do that in an analogous way to the commons infobox sitelinks, using the "getSiteLink" function from Module:Wikidata plus a modified version of getQid from Module:WikidataIB that uses P910 rather than P301, but maybe you could write this in a neater way in a single Lua function? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: WikidataIB reads the sitelink from any wiki, with the bonus that it doesn't read the entire entity, so is cheaper and doesn't mess up watchlists.

For flag (Q14660):

• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getSiteLink |qid=Q14660}} → Flag
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getSiteLink |qid=Q14660 |enwiki}} → Flag
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getSiteLink |qid=Q14660 |wiki=enwiki}} → Flag
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getSiteLink |qid=Q14660 |wiki=elwikiquote}} → Σημαία
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getSiteLink |qid=Q14660 |wiki=commonswiki}} → Flag

I've written what I think is what you asked for, except it doesn't discriminate between galleries and categories. I really would need some examples of where you want fallbacks, otherwise I'm just guessing.

For flag (Q14660), A Rake's Progress (Q300536):

• Gallery: {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q14660}} → Flag
• Category: {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q300536}} → Category:A Rake's Progress
• The code just returns plain text or nothing. As there is always only one sitelink, it's simple to create whatever link you need within a template (Template:If then show may be useful). Let me know what needs changing. --RexxS (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! For the category item example, Hieronymus Bosch (Q130531) gives "Jheronimus Bosch" - which is good as the default. Ideally there would then also be an option "onlycategories" or something like that, so that it can return "Category:Hieronymus Bosch". Potentially this could be done by looking to see if the sitelink starts with "Category:", and only returning it if it does (with a fallback to P373 otherwise, or just returning blank if it can only find a gallery item). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

BTW, if P373 is used, it needs to be prefixed by "Category:", please. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I've made one change to implement |onlycat= on the first sitelink:

• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q130531}} → Jheronimus Bosch
• {{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q130531 |onlycat=y}} → Category:Hieronymus Bosch

Is that enough? or might some of the fallbacks return galleries as well? --RexxS (talk) 21:09, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

That's perfect, thanks! If a category item or P373 returns a gallery, then that's a data issue that would need to be fixed, so I don't think that needs handling here. It's implemented in {{Commons category/sandbox}} now - I'll raise that for discussion and see if anyone can find any issues. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: Okay. I forgot to mention: you don't need to supply a qid if you're on the page in question; and |onlycategories= is an alias for |onlycat=. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Testing at 1999 FIFA Confederations Cup gives "Lua error in Module:WikidataIB/sandbox at line 421: attempt to index local 'sitelink' (a nil value).|Lua error in Module:WikidataIB/sandbox at line 421: attempt to index local 'sitelink' (a nil value).]" I guess because the item doesn't have a sitelink? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: yup – you can't extract the first nine characters of something that's nil. Fixed now. --RexxS (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Any chance of an extra option, please? It would be useful to be able to disable the use of P373, so that it's possible to track the cases where we're falling back to P373 rather than using the sitelink. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: I think I've been able to implement a |fallback= parameter (alias |fb=), which defaults to true. Setting it to no/n/false/0 should disable using Commons category (P373). Do you have any cases to test on? --RexxS (talk) 21:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply. I found an example at Category:Millennia in China (Q6798748) / Category:Millennia in China:

{{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q6798748|fallback=True}} -> Category:China by millennium

{{#invoke:WikidataIB/sandbox |getCommonsLink |qid=Q6798748|fallback=False}} -> Category:China by millennium

So it's working well. [2] adds it to the template sandbox, it needs a bit more work on my side before that's ready to go live, though. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I am a horrible person who has removed the claim from Wikidata as it's inappropriate for that item. --Izno (talk) 22:48, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Izno: That's fine, please also remove such bad links from Wikipedia as well! As penance, perhaps you could work through some of Category:Commons category link is on Wikidata using P373 as well? ;-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: If I had a known objective, that'd be swell. Document the purpose somewhere or another if you could and I'll poke in this weekend. ;) --Izno (talk) 05:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Lua

Happening upon your protection request the other day got me curious about those modules. I have long had on my to-do list to learn Lua but I had a few minutes tonight to give it a try. I put together a module of my own that formats the song and album titles on my userpage of articles created and expanded. It's pretty neat. Much better than trying to muck through all that {{{template|}}}{{{stuff|}}}. Anyway, thanks for the inadvertent inspiration. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 09:45, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

That's good to hear, 28bytes. Lua is much more powerful and elegant than the parser functions and magic words we use in templates, and it's very encouraging to see more folks taking an interest in it. If you want some simple exercises that work through Lua's basic features, you could check out the tasks I'm using for GCI at User:RexxS/GCI-Task01 02, 03, 04, 05, to User:RexxS/GCI-Task06, although looking at your module, you probably don't need them. Have fun! --RexxS (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I will check them out! Thanks. 28bytes (talk) 14:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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It's already here!!

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NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018

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Nomination for merging of Module:Cslist

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Beauty Shop

Hello! A type of electronic dragon/beast sent me here. It ranges from the size of a cat to a transit bus... Probably bigger than that, even. I am not going to argue with a flame spitting, potentially venomous editor. Can you help me make my user name pretty? (Additionally, as a Canadian editor, I smoked way to much weed this evening to stare into your goddamned cube. (I... can't... look... away...)

Thanks in advance, for any help you can throw my way! Best regards, from a friend of a friend. Hamster Sandwich (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I love that cube, it is very soothing, but truly it is a hole into which you throw time. I thought of putting it in my own talk page but life is too short. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Hamster Sandwich: Any friend of 'Shonen is a friend of mine. I see, though, that it was the mighty 'Zilla who directed you here, so I will have to do the best I can to avoid incurring her wrath.

The stuff about rules is simple: you need to have a link to your talk page (at least); your signature must be legible; and it must not be more than 256 characters. It is also appreciated if it's not too gaudy or too large for the line.

There are lots of ways of customising a signature by changing font-size, colour and so on, and by adding decorations like shadows. Unfortunately, I don't know what you like, so it's difficult to recommend, but here are some ideas:

• Coloured: Hamster Sandwich
• Glow: Hamster Sandwich
• Outline: Hamster Sandwich ← this one would be too long if we had the userpage link, so that's omitted.
• Coloured with shadow: Hamster Sandwich
• Shifted: Hamster ^Sand
  _wich

It's possible to combine these, as long as you stay within the 256 character limit. Why not try some of your own, change the colours, etc? Give me a ping if you want me to check anything. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 15:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Not quite right regarding the links. A link to your user talk page is not mandatory, provided that another identifying link is present, see WP:SIGLINK - the requirements are any one or more of: a link to your user page; a link to your user talk page; a link to your contributions. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction, Redrose64 – it makes sense that any of those links would be acceptable as you can get from any one of them to the others quite simply. I guess I ought to rephrase my summary above to recommend the talk page link as it's probably the most useful. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm hoping for something like "Hamster sandwicH" in a smoothy font and having the two sides of the sig doing the User/ Talk function. Although the Hamster with the split "Sandwich" is very exciting! Cheers! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 00:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Hamster Sandwich: Fonts are a nightmare for web design because you don't know what fonts are installed on the reader's browser, so you have to guess what will work for most folk. It's been a bit better for designers since Google provided Google Fonts, but MediaWiki doesn't support them as far as I can see. Nevertheless, here's a possibility using one of Smoothy-cursive, Sofia, 'Monotype Corsiva', 'Apple Chancery', 'ITC Zapf Chancery', 'URW Chancery L', cursive:

• Smoothy: Hamster sandwicH

That's something you could experiment with. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Globe for coordinates

Hi RexxS. I've started a proposal/discussion at d:Wikidata:Property proposal/Astronomical coordinates about astronomical coordinates, and it turns out that coordinate location (P625) supports coordinates on different globes. Can you access the globe value from Lua? If so, being able to fetch the globe value would be a useful addition to WikidataIB, at the very least so that I can disable the map at commons:Category:Andromeda Galaxy, but perhaps also {{Sky}} here could be revised so that it can fetch the coordinates from Wikidata (or maybe that just needs a resync with {{Coord}}). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: For coordinate location (P625) Andromeda (Q2469): {{examine |P625 | Q2469}} →

Extended content
table#1 { }

I can certainly read celestial sphere (Q12134) from there, as well as the lat/long and precision. But what would you want me to do with it? --RexxS (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

If you can return 'Q12134' from that, then I can use it to assemble some parser functions that show/hide the kartographer map, and change the geohack link. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: That's easy:

• {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getGlobe |Q2469}} →
• {{wdib |ps=1 |P625 |qid=Q2469}} →

Let me know when you find the inevitable complication :P --RexxS (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the globe function. As a BTW, was there a way to remove the units? E.g., {{wdib |ps=1 |P6257 |qid=Q2469}} → 10.6847083 degree, can I just get the number and not "degree" somehow? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:38, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: Yes, of course. I just have to write a bit more code that reads another parameter, |showunits= (alias |su=; default=true), and skips the bit of code that creates the unit display:

• {{wdib |ps=1 |P6257 |qid=Q2469 |showunits=no}} → 10.6847083

I should warn you that the code still implements ranges, which may not necessarily play nicely with your intended use, whatever that is. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 13:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that works nicely. I'm trying to add astronomical coordinates to the infobox on commons [3], seems to be working OK at commons:Category:Andromeda Galaxy, now I just need to figure out how to tidy it up. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:46, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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ϢereSpielChequers 15:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Redrose64 🌹 (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas6}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:41, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Yo

	None more Gothic Seasons Greetings
	Wishing you all the best for x-mass, hope it is a time of, some but not too much, cheer. Ceoil (talk) 22:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've tried viewing this on two different machines, and two different browsers. All combinations have black text on black background. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:09, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

You can read the black-on-black text by selecting it with your mouse. Maproom (talk) 20:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Learning from Zotero Zotero is free software for reference management by the Center for History and New Media: see Wikipedia:Citing sources with Zotero. It is also an active user community, and has broad-based language support. Zotero logo Besides the handiness of Zotero's warehousing of personal citation collections, the Zotero translator underlies the citoid service, at work behind the VisualEditor. Metadata from Wikidata can be imported into Zotero; and in the other direction the zotkat tool from the University of Mannheim allows Zotero bibliographies to be exported to Wikidata, by item creation. With an extra feature to add statements, that route could lead to much development of the focus list (P5008) tagging on Wikidata, by WikiProjects. Zotero demo video There is also a large-scale encyclopedic dimension here. The construction of Zotero translators is one facet of Web scraping that has a strong community and open source basis. In that it resembles the less formal mix'n'match import community, and growing networks around other approaches that can integrate datasets into Wikidata, such as the use of OpenRefine. Looking ahead, the thirtieth birthday of the World Wide Web falls in 2019, and yet the ambition to make webpages routinely readable by machines can still seem an ever-retreating mirage. Wikidata should not only be helping Wikimedia integrate its projects, an ongoing process represented by Structured Data on Commons and lexemes. It should also be acting as a catalyst to bring scraping in from the cold, with institutional strengths as well as resourceful code. Links Zotero Comes to Google Docs, Zotero blogpost by Dan Stillman, 19 October 2018. Category:Wikipedians who use Zotero T115158 Write a Zotero translator and document process for creating new Zotero translator and getting it live in production, long Phabricator thread 2015–17. Zotero Translators, documentation from zotero.org. Home page on GitHub for Zotero translator Javascript Example translator, for Wikisource. m:Structured Data on Commons/Newsletter/2018-12-07 Diversitech, the latest ContentMine grant application to the Wikimedia Foundation, is in its community review stage until January 2. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)