Revolution Saga

December 2015

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Karabakh history

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Hey! I saw that you expanded and greatly improved the history section of the Hadrut article, great job - here's a barnstar for you! If you have time, there are many other articles related to the Principality of Khachen and the Melikdoms of Karabakh such as Hasanriz (Haterk), Zar, Azerbaijan (Tsar) and Vank, Nagorno-Karabakh that could use expansion and improvement in general and to their history sections specifically. I've recently also expanded the Nagorno-Karabakh detailed map and the List of cities and towns in Artsakh to get a better overview of all localities in Nagorno-Karabakh/Artsakh, so if you're looking for a specific town or village, that list may be useful! AntonSamuel (talk) 10:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

Hi thanks for creating Suren Papikyan which I’ve just reviewed. Is it based in material from another wiki? If so I need to add a template to the talk page. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 13:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes it is mostly a translation from the Armenian page. Revolution Saga (talk) 13:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Great thanks. If you base an en.wiki article on material from another wiki you need to attribute the text by using a template which I’ll add to the talk page. All the best Mccapra (talk) 14:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Sargis as Assyrian name

Hey Revolution Saga, I noticed your recent edit on the Sargis page, adding that the name is used among the Assyrian community as well as the Armenian one. I have removed it for now, as there was no source provided for it. Merely a few examples of Assyrian individuals bearing the name does not quite meet the Wikipedia standard of burden of proof. This was discussed previously by me and ZaniGiovanni on his talk page. Please add a WP:RS, similar to the existing one that demonstrates its use in the Armenian community.--AncapOgre (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you very much, I appreciate it coming from a prolific editor like yourself! Revolution Saga (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Revolution Saga Are you planning to make a DYN nomination? --Dallavid (talk) 00:15, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I forgot about this, I'm happy to do it, did you have any suggestions for the hook? Revolution Saga (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Does "that Pap of Armenia survived an assassination attempt by Roman legions during a battle, but was later murdered by the Romans during a feast?(Lenski 179–181)" sound good? Did you mind that I added it as an alternative?

Also while looking over the Lenski book, I noticed that Traianus hadn't personally done the assassination, it was a barbarian guard. I fixed that in the article and you may want to correct that in your ALT1 DYK. --Dallavid (talk) 19:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Working on First Republic of Armenia article

Happy new year, Revolution Saga! I was wondering if you'd be interested in working together to improve the First Republic of Armenia article to become a Good Article. I've started rewriting the article in my sandbox and structured it according to the layout of similar GA's – it involves the consolidation of multiple topics hence why I thought It'd be great to have another editor involved, especially one who has contributed so extensively to Armenian history such as yourself. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 23:54, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Dear Olympian, happy New Year to you as well! I would be happy to work on the article with you; however, my time will be quite limited in the coming months due to my studies, so I won't be able to dedicate much time to working on the article. Good luck to you on it. I will make additions, changes or suggestions where I can. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 09:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, RevolutionSaga. I completely understandable in regards to your studies (same for me); In any case, your input will be much appreciated. – Olympian ^loquere 09:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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Khanate/province

Vis. this edit summary.[1]

• "During the eighteenth century, Persian Armenia was composed of the provincial boundaries or Khanates (subdivided into Mahals) of Erevan and Nakhchivan (...)" -- George Bournoutian (1980). "The Population of Persian Armenia Prior to and Immediately Following its Annexation to the Russian Empire: 1826–1832". The Wilson Center, Kennan Institute for Advanced Russian Studies. pp. 1-2
• The refs cited behind "Iranian khanates".[2]

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Thank you for the source. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 22:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm coming here after you undo my change on page Turkish–Armenian War. As you stated, "it's reporting the view of a particular historian". Even if the person in question is a historian, it doesn't seem right to include a personal opinion that cannot be proven (also added to the beginning part of the article, is personal opinion that important?). Especially if the person in question is a member of one of the parties. It seems more correct to delete the information or move it to a subheading. If we agree on the issue, I'm open to your suggestions. Kyzagan (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:Kyzagan, I don't agree with your objection. While Kevorkian's claim is a counterfactual and not 100% provable, he does support it with evidence, some of which is mentioned or cited in that paragraph in the lead. In any case, I would not be completely opposed to moving it to the body in the future, but only when the article is much more detailed. Revolution Saga (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

First of all thanks for your answer. I understand what you mean. If possible, I would also like to open a detailed sub-heading about the alleged massacres in the article, but with the current state of the article, this seems difficult. Most of the sources, except for the military parts, is written by Armenian historians. Therefore, there is a problem with the objectivity of the article (This situation is also mentioned at the beginning of the page.) I can't promise for now, but maybe I can improve the article with different sources in the future. If you have time in this process, I would appreciate it if you could deal with the objectivity issue of the article. Have a nice day. Kyzagan (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

A historian's ethnic background is not sufficient basis to place his or her objectivity under doubt. You will need more evidence to prove unreliability. Richard Hovannisian and Raymond Kevorkian, for example, are world-renowned historians whose works are used in global scholarship. Revolution Saga (talk) 21:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources

Hi Revolution Saga. Hope you're doing well. As you may have at least partly noticed from my work in Karabakh Khanate, I'm currently working to expand a lot of Caucasus-related articles, including stuff to do with Eastern Armenia. I do possess a fair amount of great sources regarding it if I do say so myself. However, in case I might be missing out on some or something, I was wondering if you could recommend any specific ones about Eastern Armenia, particularly sources that deal with its Armenian population, its historical churches, and the melikdoms, that would be greatly appreciated. Bests. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi HistoryofIran, great work on the page. I can't think of anything off of the top of my head in English (assuming you can't work with Armenian) but I will do some searching and let you know. Best regards, Revolution Saga (talk) 13:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

By the way, do you have a list of your sources on hand you can share with me? Just so I don't suggest anything that you already know of, and also for my own benefit :) Revolution Saga (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Definitely. Please email me [3] and I'll send you a library of good stuff. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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A question

Congratulations, colleague! Thank you for the excellent article about Mesrop Taghiadian.

Colleague, can I ask you for help with an article about the Julfans Petik and Sanos? I have made status articles about them in the Ukrainian and Russian wikis, but in the English section the criteria are higher. I am sure that there are some points that need to be revised in the article, and there are no users in the Ukrainian and Russian sections that I could turn to for clarifications of these points. Colleague, please let me know if you can find some time to help me, and if not, could you suggest a user to whom I could contact?

Because I have a desire to write more articles about significant Armenian merchants, and this article is only my first experience :)

With respect, colleague. Smpad (talk) 11:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Dear Smpad, thank you for your kind words, and great job on the article Petik and Sanos! I will look at the article soon and make corrections and additions where I can. This is related to my areas of interest. One suggestion I can make is to expand the lead to make it summarize the most important contents of the article (see WP:LEAD for more). Best regards, Revolution Saga (talk) 12:31, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Blockade of the Republic of Artsakh

Hello there. This is the user who requested the edit to the "Republic of Artsakh" page to mention the ongoing blockade there. I see that you were the user who made the requested edit to the page. I'd just like to say thank you very much for what you did. Together, we both a big and positive difference by raising awareness of the blockade and now, the page does not ignore the Azerbaijani campaign of creating a humanitarian crisis in Artsakh (and possible genocide too). Once again, I say thanks and I'll finish off be saying I'm very grateful for what you've done.109.77.56.233 (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words and for bringing attention to the blockade. Revolution Saga (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, it's me again. The user who requested that edit to the "Republic of Artsakh" page to add mention of still ongoing blockade there. Thanks for the good work you did. Once again, your assistance is needed. This time to the "Nagorno-Karabakh" page. This request actually doesn't come from me directly but instead it comes from User:JM2023 who posted on 30 August in Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh to request a mention of the same blockade to that page. The user even copy and pasted your entire blockade section from the "Republic of Artsakh" page and placed it in the talk page. I'm posting here because the request was already made but hasn't been done for a week, I was going make the same request there today only to find that JM2023 beat me to it. Again, It's important to raise awareness of the blockade. Thanks in advance.51.37.83.191 (talk) 21:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I found an editor to fulfil the request, take a look Nagorno-Karabakh#Blockade (2022–present) JM2023 (talk) 22:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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Tigran II

Can you add back the Armenian name of Tigran the Great? It’s not mentioning what language “Tigran Mets” is. Someone removed the Armenian name. 107.77.229.86 (talk) 07:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussing it with the user now, thanks. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Cooperation

Hi, I am Ofelya from Armenia, my friends and I initiated a project "Works on Wikipedia", we are cooperating with armenology experts, historians, and archeologists to publicize articles on Armenian topics. We are creating, editing, and translating articles in different Wikipedias, but actually, now we have some problems connected to the English Wikipedia. If the topic interests you please let me know and we'll speak in detail for cooperation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Օֆելյա Հակոբյան (talk • contribs) 08:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ofelya, I am interested, can you please tell me more? Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 08:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, here is our website: https://networkstate.io/projects/works-on-wikipedia/

We often have trainings with Wikimedia Armenia, and there is no problem connected to the Armenian Wikipedia, but we also try to publish some articles in English and here a lot of problems)) we don't have anyone for the guideness Wikipedia. If it possible we would like to invite you to have a training for English Wikipedia, we have a lot of English articles but can't publicize in English Wikipedia. Օֆելյա Հակոբյան (talk) 09:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ofelya, the best thing you can do to get your articles published here is to familiarize yourselves with the rules on English Wikipedia, which are not the same as the ones on Armenian Wikipedia. For example, on English Wikipedia, articles need to have inline citations. I'm happy to help with anything I can, but I don't think I can make time for training. If you want me to cooperate on specific articles, I might be able to. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 03:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, for example I don't understand why this article can't be published, please give me some tips to improve my skills in English wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Armenia_in_the_Early_Bronze_Age Օֆելյա Հակոբյան (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

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Ok, thanks a lot, I'll try to improve my article. Keep in touch. Օֆելյա Հակոբյան (talk) 14:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Armenian merchantry

Colleague, I want to notify you that I have finally created an article Armenian merchantry (and want to delete needless Mercantilism in Armenia article). Yes, it is still far from ideal, but I will improve it. I would like to ask you to keep an eye on it :)
Also, сolleague, could you delicately incorporate a link to it in the article about Hovsep Arghutian?
With respect. Smpad (talk) 12:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear Smbad, good job on creating the much-needed article! I would be happy to contribute to it. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, collegue.

I would like to ask for your help. I want to make a Further reading section in the article Petik and Sanos (like you did it in the article about Mesrop Taghiadian) for sources that I cannot get and read (unfortunately, no one in my family speaks Armenian). However, I don’t know how to understand which source is a book, which is an article from a magazine, etc. Could you please tell me what types of publications the following sources belong to so that I can select the necessary templates for them?

• Akinian, N. "Hay Keank῾ě Halēpi Mēj, 1605-1635, Petros-Petik ew Sanos Ch῾ēlēpi Harazat Eghbark῾ Shinararner Mak῾sapetner i Halēp ew i Karin" (Armenian Life in Aleppo, 1605-1635; the Brothers Petros-Petik and Sanos Chēlēpi, Builders and Customs Directors at Aleppo and Erzerum), Handes Amsorya, 47 (1933): 305-333.
• Siurmēian, Artawazd. Patmut῾iun Halēpi Hayots῾ (History of the Armenians of Aleppo). 3 vols. Aleppo, Beirut, Paris, 1940-1950.
• Acharian, Hrachia. 2002. Hay gaghtakanut‘yan patmut‘yun [History of Armenian emigration]. Yerevan: Zangak-97.
• P‘ap‘azyan, V. H. 1990. Hayastani Ar̥evtrakan Ughiner’e mijazgayin ar̥evtri olortum XVI–XVII darerum [Trade routes of Armenia in the sphere of international trade from the sixteenth– seventeenth centuries]. Yerevan.
• Akinean. “Hay giankê halebi mēch”, Handēs Amsōreay (periodical of the Mkhit῾arist Congregation in Vienna) (3-6, 1933)
• Hakob Erzrumets῾i, Zhamanakagrut῾iwn (Vagharshapat, 1903), 32-34
• Grigor Daranaghts‘i, Zhamanakagrut‘iwn (Jerusalem, 1915), 580
• Vasken Hagopian and Ashot Hovhannisian, Hayeren Dseragreri JE Dari Hishatakaranner, (1601-1620) [Colophons of Seventeenth Century Armenian Manuscripts (1601-1620] (Erevan, 1974)
• Siruni, Hagop Dj . Polis ev Ir Dere [Constantinople and Its Role]. 2 vols. Beirut, 1965-1970, 1:487-488

I will be very grateful to you. With respect, Smpad (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• Akinian, N. "Hay Keank῾ě Halēpi Mēj, 1605-1635, Petros-Petik ew Sanos Ch῾ēlēpi Harazat Eghbark῾ Shinararner Mak῾sapetner i Halēp ew i Karin" (Armenian Life in Aleppo, 1605-1635; the Brothers Petros-Petik and Sanos Chēlēpi, Builders and Customs Directors at Aleppo and Erzerum), Handes Amsorya, 47 (1933): 305-333. This is an article in the journal Handes Amsorya
• Siurmēian, Artawazd. Patmut῾iun Halēpi Hayots῾ (History of the Armenians of Aleppo). 3 vols. Aleppo, Beirut, Paris, 1940-1950. This is a book
• Acharian, Hrachia. 2002. Hay gaghtakanut‘yan patmut‘yun [History of Armenian emigration]. Yerevan: Zangak-97. This is a book
• P‘ap‘azyan, V. H. 1990. Hayastani Ar̥evtrakan Ughiner’e mijazgayin ar̥evtri olortum XVI–XVII darerum [Trade routes of Armenia in the sphere of international trade from the sixteenth– seventeenth centuries]. Yerevan. This is a book
• Akinean. “Hay giankê halebi mēch”, Handēs Amsōreay (periodical of the Mkhit῾arist Congregation in Vienna) (3-6, 1933) This is an article in Handes Amsorya
• Hakob Erzrumets῾i, Zhamanakagrut῾iwn (Vagharshapat, 1903), 32-34 This is a modern printing of an old Armenian book
• Grigor Daranaghts‘i, Zhamanakagrut‘iwn (Jerusalem, 1915), 580 This is a modern printing of an old Armenian book
• Vasken Hagopian and Ashot Hovhannisian, Hayeren Dseragreri JE Dari Hishatakaranner, (1601-1620) [Colophons of Seventeenth Century Armenian Manuscripts (1601-1620] (Erevan, 1974) This is a book
• Siruni, Hagop Dj . Polis ev Ir Dere [Constantinople and Its Role]. 2 vols. Beirut, 1965-1970, 1:487-488 This is a book

Thanks for the sources. I will definitely check some of these out. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 23:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Colleague, thank you very very much! With great respect, Smpad (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello colleague. I have a question. The article passed GA on 17 February. So, can it be on DYK? With respect, Smpad (talk) 00:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I figured it out. With respect, Smpad (talk) 22:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Orontid dynasty

Can you restore Armenian dynasty on the top first sentence? Since 2006 ever since this article was created, it’s always said Armenian dynasty. Add David Marshall Lang and M. Chahin sources. Explain also that the Orontid dynasty was Armenian because linguists classified Armenian as an Iranian language, the Iranian mentioned doesn’t mean Persians necessarily. 2600:6C50:1F0:9730:BDE5:A7E0:14EE:277A (talk) 04:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hello.

In the Stepanakert article, can you add these paragraphs at the bottom of the "Control by Azerbaijan" section?

« In the following months, Azerbaijani authorities dismantled monuments symbolizing Artsakh, including the Giant Cross and the Eagle Monument, and statues of prominent Armenians in the city, among them, Stepan Shahumyan, after whom Stepanakert is named, Charles Aznavour and Alexander Myasnikyan.

In early March 2024, Azerbaijani authorities demolished the National Assembly of Artsakh Building and the Artsakh Freedom Fighters Union Building. »

Yours sincerely, 31.200.23.71 (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I will take a look soon, thanks Revolution Saga (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi User:Rosguill, thanks for the tip, I forgot about this rule. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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The user that goes by the name of “HistoryofIran” (who is actually an Azeri Turk based on his edits), is removing almost everything that was Armenian to “Iranian”, specially when it has to do with the Orontid dynasty. There are like 5 sources that state Orontids were an Armenian state or dynasty, that he put under the Iranian sources. Where it says “Some historians say Orontid was Iranian origin”, 5 sources stating Armenian, one of them says it 3 times by David Marshall Lang. He is also cherry picking Cyril Toumanoff, who also states that Orontids were an Armenian monarchy. 2600:6C50:1F0:9730:C193:CD0D:1527:C26F (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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Liberation Struggle

Hello, there may not be a clear English name, but the official name in Armenian historiography is 'liberation struggle'. Other neutral sources use this name too, such as Aldo Ferrari who studies Russian history. The Syunik article should be changed to a similar name. Using "rebellion" is the opposite of a neutral POV title, it is an explicitly biased title. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi KhndzorUtogh, I don't agree with you on that, 'liberation struggle' is much more biased than 'rebellion'. 'Rebellion', like 'uprising', implies no moral judgment, whereas 'liberation struggle' has quite a positive implication. See, for example, this work by Aivazian, and he is an explicit nationalist. While you and I might think 'liberation struggle' is a perfectly proper term for the event, it's not, in my view, what an encyclopedia article should call it. It's the same reasoning as that behind avoiding a term like Wikipedia:Freedom fighter. Anyway, I'm happy to open it to broader discussion to hear third opinions. Revolution Saga (talk) 00:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Aivazian also refers to it as a liberation struggle or movement in that same paper, and has written papers that use those titles instead ("From the History of the 1720s Liberation Movement in Siunik"). Ultimately the common name is prioritized, and the majority of works on this subject refer to liberation struggle or movement. This is why the "positive" named Greek War of Independence isn't titled "Greek Revolt" instead, for example. Another problem with calling the article "rebellion" is that it completely ignores the intellectual and political aspects of the wider movement and instead can only refer to the military aspect. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Templates

Hi brother im bad at editing,i created page and don’t know how to edit like “syunik rebbelion” i was wondering if you could help me Based-Hay (talk) 12:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Question re 2022 census

Hello, Revolution Saga! I hope you’re well. I noticed you recently added population statistics from the 2022 Armenian census for Tsaghkadzor. I searched the census publications on the referenced webpage and couldn’t find Tsaghkadzor’s population nor the population of rural settlements, it seems to only show urban-settlements' population. Could you please help me find it? I'd like to add the 2022 census population to all settlements' articles. Thank you! – Olympian ^loquere 07:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Olympian, I'm doing well, hope you are too. You can find the population data for Tsaghkadzor in the file named "table 1.1․1.xlsx" after you download the .rar file under "CHAPTER1. POPULATION DISTRIBUTION" on the linked page. Tsaghkadzor town is item number 142 in the excel sheet. You have to look elsewhere for the populations of specific villages, and I'm not sure that these are official 2022 census stats. The data for individual villages apparently requires you to open each individual province's file here. It's poorly designed. You have to click on the province names to the bottom left of the map, not the links on the map itself. Let me know if you find something better. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that detailed guide! I found Tsaghkadzor but seem to have forgotten that it has an urban settlement status. Unlike the 2001 and 2011 censuses, it appears that the rural settlements'/villages' populations aren't indicated in the 2022 census. I emailed ArmStat to request it but they could only provide the permanent, non-census, population which is published annually. The one you linked shows the permanent population 'according to January 1, 2023' (the very same that ArmStat sent me), which I presume is based on the government's database of citizens/addresses rather than the 2022 census, and sadly not as useful nor indicative as a de facto population count. In any case, thank you for your help and insights, I will definitely keep an eye out in-case they post it and let you know as well! Best, – Olympian ^loquere 09:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for emailing them. That's too bad that they wouldn't provide the village data. It seems to be a consequence of the recent administrative reforms where villages were merged into even larger "խոշորացված համայնքներ". As usual, not done very conscientiously by this government. Let me know if you manage to get it. Best, Revolution Saga (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)