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Southern Rhodesia in World War I, thank you, precious again! - plea for peace is on top of my user page, did you know ... that Geistliche Chormusik, a collection of 29 motets by Heinrich Schütz (pictured) containing a "plea for peace", appeared in 1648, when the Thirty Years' War ended? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Very nice! —Cliftonian (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

New life! Congrats to the family! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, sir!!!

Thank you and the host of others for the wonderful article on Rhodesian in WWI and a bouquet for Wikipedia for including it on their front page! I guess your busy in Gaza; have fun with giving out the "harmony pills".Foofbun (talk) 06:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks bru—I am doing well. I'm glad you like the article! For me fiction has nothing on real history. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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John Plagis

I'm going to the British Library tomorrow and will report back on what, if anything, I can get access to in The Rhodesia Herald. The BL's website implies that the paper can't be accessed at the moment, pending the transition from paper copies to digital ones, but I'll interrogate a library assistant and take it from there. More tomorrow. Hope all is tickety-boo, Tim riley talk 14:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for doing this and for keeping me updated, Tim. I really appreciate it. Things here are fine. I have known for a while that the little one coming sometime next month was going to take my office for his room but I have just an hour ago finally moved my desk out to its new location at the end of my living room—a minor event compared to the actual big day, of course, but symbolic all the same. Prams are ridiculously expensive. Hope all is well that side. Cheers and have a great weekend. —Cliftonian (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I should mention that The Rhodesia Herald isn't the only Rhodesian paper that could help us out regarding Plagis—The Chronicle of Bulawayo could help too as might the Salisbury Sunday Mail, both of which the BL has (according to the website). Check for the Herald first though as it was the national paper of record. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad to say the BL has got The Rhodesia Herald for 1974 on microfiche. I have ordered it for next Wednesday and will report back. It amuses me to be using microfilm at the BL because in the 1970s when it was regarded as high-tech stuff I was partly responsible for specing and ordering a particularly advanced microfilm camera for the BL Newspaper Library (now closed) at Colindale, and there is every chance that the pages I'll be looking at next week were scanned on that very device. – Tim riley talk 13:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed a small world we live in and these things seem to happen more often than one would expect. I regret that I never visited the BL in all the time I lived in London, I will make a point to do so next time I am there. Thank you very much for taking the time to help me with this Tim, I really appreciate it. I hope that you are having a pleasant and productive weekend. Keep well. —Cliftonian (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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AFC Kingston

Moocamp isn't a reliable source but WISA is then? How does that work then? The article is clearly written by an AFC fan, there's not a single thing about the reaction of MK Dons and as much as everyone likes to ignore, yes, the fans do consider themselves as the true Dons and do not consider AFC a continuation of Wimbledon FC (despite whatever your POV might be). Also removing Guardian and BBC News links is a bit unfair do you not think? I know AFC are very touchy about their claimed origins but the fact are there's two sides tot he argument. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I did not remove any BBC or Guardian links. Check the article again. I moved almost all of the information you added to the article to other parts where it was more relevant, and tidied the references you added as sources. The only thing you added that I actually took out is the thing about Wimbledon F.C. fans who stuck with the original team referring to AFC Wimbledon as "AFC Kingston". This was partly because the only source provided was Moocamp, which is of dubious reliability because it is a self-published online blog (see wp:sps), but actually mostly because the passage you added it to was discussing the immediate aftermath of AFC Wimbledon being formed in 2002. There may well have been Wimbledon F.C. fans at the time who referred to the new club as AFC Kingston but to say fans now do so is not relevant to that section. I'm not an AFC fan, incidentally. —Cliftonian (talk) 15:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The article overall is still very one-sided, makes out the AFC and WISA to be some kind of saviour when in fact they were part of the problem. MKD may not be great and whole situation stinks, but to say it was all Milton Keynes' fault is unfair. It didn't set a precedent either, just 8 years before Livingston FC moved in 1995, previously known as Meadowbank Thistle Abcmaxx (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

We had a section in the article before discussing the cases of Livingston and the other 1990s relocation in Scotland, that of Clyde F.C., who moved from Glasgow to Cumbernauld in 1994. I wrote it. It was taken out a couple of years ago by an IP who deemed it irrelevant to the article's immediate scope. Perhaps we can look at reintegrating it in a shorter form. Thank you for the information you added to the article earlier as I do think it is an improvement. I agree the article is not perfect but I don't think it is as one-sided as you seem to think it is. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Peer review – or not

I've been meaning to ask you this for ages, but kept forgetting. Our exchange about the Keswick PR has jogged my memory. I don't think you generally take your articles to peer review before going to FAC, and I wonder why that is. To me, PR is a much more relaxed and less relentlessly spotlit place to have one's prose picked over, so that with any luck one can then take the finished article to FAC and see it through without too much aggro. Just my two penn'orth. Tim riley talk 17:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

There's no particular reason; just habit really. I have always done it a certain way—DYK, GA, then FA. But I think there is merit to what you say so I think next time I will adopt the PR route. Thanks for thinking of me and I will have a look in on Keswick later today and/or tomorrow. —Cliftonian (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for John Plagis

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		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on John Plagis. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Cheers Tony. —Cliftonian (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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More FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of John Plagis to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 13:43, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the note. Will do. Cheers, —Cliftonian (talk) 13:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Not My Life

Hi John,

It's good to see that you're still getting articles up to featured status. Congratulations on your success with the John Plagis article! I recently submitted the article Not My Life for an FAC. I have greatly appreciated your comments on my FACs in the past, and I would be grateful for any comments you might add to the Not My Life FAC.

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Hi David, nice to hear from you. I'm glad you like the Plagis article. I'll be more than happy to have a look at Not My Life at some point over the next few days and to post comments. Cheers, have a great rest of the week. —Cliftonian (talk) 15:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your contributions to the Not My Life FAC. The article is now featured, and I have requested that it be granted a main page slot. Any input you would be willing to provide at the corresponding discussion would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Southern Rhodesia in World War II

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Your GA nomination of Southern Rhodesia in World War II

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Southern Rhodesia in World War II you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Nick-D -- Nick-D (talk) 04:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to seeing this article's ACR - am I right in thinking that you developed it with an eye to an eventual FAC as well? - the topic certainly has the legs for this. Nick-D (talk) 12:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's the goal ultimately. Thanks for all the help, the article has improved a lot with the review. I expect to send it to A-class soon. —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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South Kasai

Hi Cliftonian, I hope everything is well with you!

I've just written up an article for the secessionist state of South Kasai and wondered if I might be able to get your comments on it before it gets its official GA review. The sources are not great at all, so there may be gaps in the narrative. But I'm very conscious that I've done this while refusing your review on Southern Rhodesia which I'm very sorry about! I ended up having more time and will take that month out from next week or so and I hope you're managed to find a reviewer in the interim.

All best! —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brigade Piron, I'm afraid I will not manage today probably as I became a father yesterday. But I will try later in the week. Keep well —  Cliftonian (talk)  09:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all - congratulations! —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:10, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Triple Crown

It is my pleasure to honour Cliftonian with this Alexander the Great Triple Crown for his amazing work on good and featured content on the English Wikipedia. Well done! — → Call me Hahc21 02:42, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Cheers boetie —  Cliftonian (talk)  19:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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The Happy Yorkshireman writes...

After a long absence, he's back begging. Jhall1 and I have been working for what seems like years on Jack Crawford (cricketer). All I can say is that Crawford isn't a Yorkshireman, I'd appreciate any comments on the talk page (no formal PR here) and favours gratefully returned if wanted. It feels choppy to me, so feel free to tear into it. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Great to hear from you chap! I have given Crawford a quick read-through already and will find the time to give a more thorough look over the next few days. Cheers for letting me know, I hope you're well. Have a great weekend —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

And Jack Crawford is now at FAC here. Any further comments more than welcome! Sarastro1 (talk) 12:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Could I ask of your opinion on this?

Hi mate, I thought I would write to you on here since this is a Wikipedia errand. We're debating at the Sweden task force how to display domestic and European cup results from seasons that progress from autumn to spring in a season article that entails a calender year. I started the discussion since I dislike how for example we display results from 2013–14 Svenska Cupen in the same infobox as we display results from 2014–15 UEFA Champions League at 2014 Malmö FF season just to mention an example, the situation is similar at "List of Club seasons" articles and "Year X in Swedish football" articles. Unfortunately not many other countries have the same season format, so it is difficult to find a good reference point. What's your take on this? Thought I'd ask you since you always have a very rational approach to things like this. --Reckless182 (talk) 21:46, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm flattered you think so highly of me. I'll have a look and reply at the task force. —  Cliftonian (talk)  07:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah thanks! Really appreciated man. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all. —  Cliftonian (talk)  12:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Sam Levy

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Recent edit to Great Zimbabwe

Hello, and thank you for your recent contribution. I appreciate the effort you made for our project, but unfortunately I had to undo your edit because I believe the article was better before you made that change. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you! Jakebarrington (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Jakebarrington, thank you for your message. The article in question has for a long time been plagued by the tendency of uninformed drive-by contributors to change the spelling of "artefact" to the American "artifact". This is easily reverted every time, it is true, but it wastes everybody's time and wastes space on the project's servers. I added an edit notice to the page explicitly asking people to stop doing this but it seems this is not enough as the spelling has still been changed repeatedly. This is why I put the messages in the source code. I appreciate your message and act of good faith in reverting my edit but I disagree with your assertion that the messages in the source code detract from the article's quality (ordinary readers will not even be aware of them) and so am reinstating them. Thank you and have a great weekend. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Recent edit to Great Zimbabwe

Hello, and thank you for your recent contribution. I appreciate the effort you made for our project, but unfortunately I had to undo your edit because I believe the article was better before you made that change. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you! Jakebarrington (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Did you even read my reply to you? —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:35, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

it does not fit,oh you don't care — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.144.62 (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Review request

Hi Cliftonian, I hope you are well. I wonder whether you have time to add some comments to the peer review I've requested for Ellen Wilkinson, here. A fairly minor contributor to British political history, but quite a interesting character nonetheless. Please comment if you can. Brianboulton (talk) 23:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I'll be there. I'm well cheers, hope you're doing well too. —  Cliftonian (talk)  08:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hugh Beadle

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WWII template

I hope that edit stands. I think there's a case for including the 'big three' on both sides, but there's no need to catalog every. single. nation. that fought. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks chap. Should be handy and save me some time in future. —  Cliftonian (talk)  17:00, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Wilkinson

Just a note to thank peer reviewers and let them know that I've now closed the review and opened an FAC page here. Brianboulton (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Beat by a franchise

Small note - I wasn't disputing the fact that the chant is sung, but it's purpose is only to anger and tease the opposition, MKD fans are quite well known for being inappropriate with their chants playing on the "hated team" reputation. It's definitely not an endorsement of what happened though, as the previous guy suggested. I think with all the debate and work and long discussion into making the article as objective and neutral as possible I didn't want to allow such statements as "MKD fans openly embrace the franchising of the team" Abcmaxx (talk) 11:41, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, I get that, and that's why I changed the wording to make clear it's an act of "reclaiming" the pejorative term rather than cheerfully endorsing what happened. Kind of like how opposition fans used to chant "Yids" at Spurs, so they turned it around and started singing it about themselves. —  Cliftonian (talk)  11:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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PR Request

Hey Cliftonian. I'ts been a while since I've visited your page, and now I see you're a father – congratulations! Just messaging to ask for any feedback you are willing to provide at my peer review for Dave Gallaher here. He fought in the Boer and First World War so particularly looking for any advice regarding the military side of things. Any help would be appreciated but I understand if you're busy. Cheers. -- Shudde ^talk 06:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shudde. Thanks! Little guy sleeps most of the time—when he's awake he alternates between eating, shouting, waving his arms around and throwing up on people. But he's still absolutely wonderful, a real blessing. I'm sure if you have kids you know the feeling. Would be delighted to have a look a Gallaher; hope I'm helpful. Cheers, keep well —  Cliftonian (talk)  06:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Great to hear you're well. Thanks, I appreciate any comments and I'm sure they'll be helpful as usual. -- Shudde ^talk 21:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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"Political history of Rhodesia" and "Politics of Rhodesia" - Difference?

Hi Cliftonian,

Thought I'd bring your attention to the proposed merger of the following categories: Political history of Rhodesia and Politics of Rhodesia. The argument (as I understand it) has been put forth that Rhodesia should not have its own category for politics, since the state is defunct and clearly a part of history.

I'm not quite certain where I stand on this, but since you wrote many of the articles included in the former I would like to hear your input.

Thanks!

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Thanks for this Katangais. I commented there. Cheers! —  Cliftonian (talk)  07:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Nominations for the Military history Wikiproject's Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards are now open!

The Military history Wikiproject has opened nominations for the Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year. Nominations will be accepted until 13 December at 23:59 GMT, with voting to begin at 0:00 GMT 14 December. The voting will conclude on 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for the Military history Wikiproject's Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards are now open!

The Military history Wikiproject has opened nominations for the Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year. Nominations will be accepted until 13 December at 23:59 GMT, with voting to begin at 0:00 GMT 14 December. The voting will conclude on 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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