User talk:Reinyday/Archive

Latest comment: 17 years ago by Jim Butler in topic Should this template be deleted?

Here are some links I thought useful:

Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. The Wikipedia:Village pump is also a good place to go for quick answers to general questions. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: ~~~~.

Be Bold!

Sam [Spade] 16:52, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lists edit

Wow! I'm impressed by your quick work at Category:Lists. Maurreen 02:32, 16 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

I agree! Thanks for your contribution. —Tokek 01:12, 17 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • My pleasure! Thank you both for taking the time to acknowledge people's contributions. -- Rachel 15:36, 17 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

Dominion of Melchizedek Request for Comment edit

You have shown some interest in Dominion of Melchizedek, so I wanted to let you know that I created the following RFC. Bollar 13:50, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

*Talk:Dominion of Melchizedek (Also Malpelo Island, Clipperton Island, Bokak Atoll, Rotuma, Antarctica, Microstate, Dominion, Micronation) - POV over the validity of Dominion of Melchizedek's sovereignty, and claims over numerous small islands in the Pacific plus Antarctica.

NICE Editing :o edit

Hey,

I really liked your wikification of the article Elimination communication.

Cheers, HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 17:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

The "External links" section edit

I'm glad to see someone expanding the Americans with disabilities article and I look forward to reading more tomorrow.

I hate to be nitpicky, but the sections "External links" and "See also" are standard to most pages on the Wikipedia and always have the first word capitalized and the second word in lower case. A template such as Template:CompactTOC5 expects to see those sections with that capitalization, so that the links will work. -- Reinyday 01:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the "Ext. Links" mini-war, heh. Wouldn't be the first linguistic style the Internet and wiki specifically managed to mangle and change by technical shortcomings and sheer proliferance of the alternatives. Like the double space after periods, found in all books and newspapers until about the mid-90s. It looks like this -  - compared to this - -. See? At least wiki gives the ability to get rid of the poor man's emlaut :-) I refer to — vs --.

I didn't have time to finish editing Americans with disabilities but I probably will finish it tomorrow, along with a seperate MHMRA article yet to be created. I didn't anticipate that migrating the remaining 2005 archives from the old to new cleanup process would take so long. The remaining april articles were quite screwed up, lol!

Cheers, HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 01:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Asian American edit

I removed your addition of this article into the Category:Overseas Chinese groups. Not all Asian Americans are of Chinese descent. In addition the article Chinese American is already in this category. — J3ff 23:46, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Of course not all Asians are Chinese. But don't you think that if you were navigating the Overseas Chinese category, you would want to be able to access the Asian American article? -- Rachel 23:48, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Not necessarily; there are people of Chinese descent living all over the world, many of them in the United States. However, not everyone searching through that category may be interested in Asian Americans. I feel it is inappropriate to use such a category because the Asian American article is easily accessible through links in the Chinese American article. — J3ff 23:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Ok. -- Rachel 23:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

The "Lists" category edit

Hello Reinyday. Sorry, didn't know it was wrong to use that category. Why do the articles need to be put in sub categories? Thanks, --Gramaic | Talk 08:14, 11 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • The "Lists" category, like all categories, exists to help people find what they want. There are thousands of lists, so having them all in one category doesn't help people navigate. By separating them, people can find what they want, like Lists of people or Nature lists. Cheers. -- Reinyday, 11 August 2005

Categories edit

Hi, I just spent hours cleaning out the list of articles needing a category. Please don't move the entirety of the PR People category there. A bot will move them when a new category name is decided on. Thanks! -- Reinyday, 15 August 2005

Hi, actually I only tagged 2 articles with {{CatNeeded}}, so I'm pretty sure me doing the rest of those articles had nothing to do with the cleanup of the category you mentioned. There is no future directory, that I am aware of, as the instructions are to just remove Category:Puerto Rican people from the articles. The majority of them already had other categories. As for a bot doing them, I have been doing the Cfd cleanup for quite some time, and its pretty much what I do, a bot wouldn't bother to flag them if it removed the only cat, nor would it fix minor problems as it goes. Thanks for your message. Who?¿? 13:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Oh, btw, I am removing the cat's that you re-added, as per WP:CFD, they are fine sitting in cleanup, or another suitable cat can be found, however that cat will be deleted, and its precedent is to be removed, so please do not stick it back in that category, as there is NO future category. Thanks. Who?¿? 13:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I just wanted to appologize if I came off a bit rash. Its difficult to do some of the mass re-cat's, and I try to do the best I can in proper cat'ing and fixing errors as I go. That particular CFD was not so cut & dry. We collaborated and thought it should probably be deleted, but I compared it to other cat's and kept it with its current config. Thanks for your input. Cheers. Who?¿? 01:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Wow! Thank you so much for taking the time to leave me another message. I really appreciate the effort, and feel so much better. I look forward to getting a chance to work with you on a future project! -- Reinyday, 02:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, just a heads up, there are a lot of articles with only one cat, the one I'm removing :( So just to let you know, I'm not "dumping" them in {{CatNeeded}}, just figured its better there than with no cat, if I have time, I plan on going back and cleaning them up. Unfortunately, the users who run the bots, arent always around, so a few of us do most of the re-cat'ing done in CFD, plus the bots just remove cats, its too time consuming for the users to have them find suitable replacements. Who?¿? 21:45, 17 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the heads up. These articles can all be put in Category:Freeware. -- Reinyday, 21:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
The open source software can go into Category:Free software. -- Reinyday, 21:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
K, thanks for the cat. Who?¿? 22:02, 17 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Discussions edit

I find your opinion interesting, but I just wanted to remind you that instead of having to write out your name again and again, you can sign your comments with a simple ~~~~. I don't want to sound nitpicky, it doesn't bother me, just a friendly suggestion for convenience's sake. Happy editing, CanadianCaesar 10:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Thanks for the advice, but I'm quite aware of that feature, and I don't use it on purpose, except in rare instances, like here. -- Rachel 04:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Your sig edit

Hi reinyday - I've been noticing your sig on WP:CFD... this is probably something you know all about but... you do know about being able to use four tildes (~~~~) to sign, don't you? Or have you done some fancy trick with your signature to stop it linking back to your user page? Grutness...wha? 10:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Most people don't know that you can get just the time stamp by typing five tildes (~~~~~), which is what I used to do:
-- Reinyday, ~~~~~
Now, I've edited my preferences and selected the "Raw signatures" box and changed my nickname to "-- Reinyday," so I only have to type four tildes (~~~~) to sign my unlinked name. -- Reinyday, 16:36, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah. that explains it. Makes it harder to get to your user page, but cut and paste does the job anyway. Makes for an interesting looking sig, though slow-on-the-uptake people like me may still mistake you for a newbie occasionally :) Grutness...wha? 23:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thanks about Hungarian Jewish History edit

Hi Reinyday: Thanks for the reminder about the template. I was trying to alert the Wikipublic that the history stopped in the 1880s and needs to be updated to include the Holocaust and Communist periods. I mentioned this on the talk page. Hope that explains why I used the template. FeanorStar7

FeanorStar7, thank you so much for your kind explanation. It is greatly appreciated! I've restored the template. -- Reinyday, 02:34, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Update template edit

Thanks for the template Reinyday! I was looking for such a template on Wikipedia:Template messages but couldn't find it. Thats one page that needs updating ... Is there any another page with a list of templates that can be used on wikipedia? it seems they're not organised very well. Yodakii 05:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Yodakii, there are so many templates, it is certainly hard to find a good list. I often refer to Wikipedia:Cleanup resources. You can also list all templates alphabetically. -- Reinyday, 03:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Awards2000s edit

Y'know, I'm just thinking, considering the number of awards that are presented every year, would a template for each year be more appropriate? Zoe 06:41, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Zoe, that's a great idea, but that template is just for the Awards by year categories. Because the content varies, most awards have their own specific templates, such as {{Grammy Award years}} and {{GovernorGeneralsAwards}}. -- Reinyday, 02:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Lithuanian municipality edit

Hi, thanks for taking interest in my homeland! However, I created a more elaborate version of it at User:Renata3/elderates and I started implementing it today (as infobox savivaldybe). I am sorry that we doubled our efforts. But thank you and I wish your baby all the best :) Renata3 18:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Environment edit

You recently said on CfD that you would be able to list which articles should be in Category:Environmentalism and which should be in Category:Ecology (from Category:Environment). Could you help out with this? Almost all of the articles were moved in to Environmentalism. --Kbdank71 13:39, 6 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • With pleasure! -- Reinyday, 20:38, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Natives of Gdańsk edit

Hi Reinyday, since you're against renaming Category:Natives of Gdańsk, you might also want to take a look at the proposal to remove Category:Natives_of_Danzig with concides with the other one. Thanks. --Lysy (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

"Category needed" edit

Full again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Category_needed

I've emptied about 30 or so of them, I can't remember now. There are certainly a lot in one month of a period! --Gary King 22:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Category:Category needed is filling up again edit

You said we could let you know on the talk page. :-) -- Kjkolb 19:05, 27 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Category:Category needed edit

If you're interested (or know someone who is) the Category:Category needed is over a thousand articles...those of us working on it aren't doing very well keeping up... NickelShoe 05:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • I finished today's focus letter (E). -- Reinyday, 23:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for editing my user page edit

I appreciate (sp?) your efforts to improve other ppl's pages, including mine. Thank you. --Admiral Roo 03:24, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Pejoratives edit

I've posted a question on Category talk:Pejoratives, and I see you've been using that category. Basically, I'm wondering what critieria is being used. Thanks, -Willmcw 05:31, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Marriage, unions and partnerships by country edit

You don't need every Canadian article in your new category, it already has one, and you've put the category itself in your new category. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 05:54, 14 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Sounds good, I just wanted to make sure, I was under the impression you might be. :-) --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 05:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

TLAs edit

A proposal has been made at Wikipedia:Requested moves to move TLAs from AAA to DZZ and other related pages to Wikipedia namespace. Please visit Talk:TLAs from AAA to DZZ for the related discussion. -- Francs2000 | Talk   00:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Request edit

I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Wikijunior Solar System Needs You edit

Danny Wool has challenged us to get Wikijunior Solar System out to hurricane evacuees by October 32005. This is going to be tough!

You expressed interest in WikiJunior. Would you be willing now to join the push to get Wikijunior Solar System completed? Come see Wikijunior Solar System!

Thanks --SV Resolution(Talk) 18:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Pwt898 edit

Do you mind if I ask why you have my username on your watchlist? :)

Uncategorized edit

Actually that template should always go on the talk page. As Wikipedia:Templates makes clear, any template only of use to editors should go on the talk page. Meta messages should be kept out of articles. - SimonP 16:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations edit

I didn't realize until recently, but congratulations on your pregnancy. :) --Jacquelyn Marie 15:03, 7 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Thanks! -- Reinyday, 15:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Further congratulations edit

Congratulations on your new daughter's arrival! What's her name? User:LegalBeagle, 21:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations. VivekM 11:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Cloudy edit

Where I am now, the sky's been (unseasonally) grey and white and cloudy since all last week. Your appearance on my watchlist was a sunshine ray. Thanks. And take care, all. VivekM 07:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Vacuum solution (general relativity) edit

Thanks, but FYI, the disambiguation you wanted is the elementary concept, trace (linear algebra), not the functional analysis notion, trace class. I have made the correction. ---CH 04:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Thanks for fixing it! -- Reinyday, 18:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Outsiders' opinions wanted edit

Hi, I just though I might ask you. Currently there is a debate whether to move Partitions of Poland to Partitions of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The first one is shorter and looks like it is more commonly used. The second one is politically & historically correct. Could you voice your opinion on the talk page? Because now it's all Lithuanians and Polish who fight each other :) We need someone "unbiased." I would very much appreciate it. Renata3 12:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Supermarket categories edit

Could I trouble you to reconsider your vote on the supermarkets categories on Categories for deletion. Renaming them all "in" would not be standardisation as the policy for companies is that the "of" form should be used. Thank you. Carina22 00:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Philadelphia Request edit

Hi,

I would appreciate you looking at this page and making some comments in favor of the merger.

Category talk:Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Thanks! evrik 16:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image copyright problem with Image:El Machino.jpg edit

Thanks for uploading Image:El Machino.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. -- Longhair 10:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Category:Category needed edit

If you're interested (or know someone who is) the Category:Category needed is over a thousand articles...those of us working on it aren't doing very well keeping up... NickelShoe 05:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • I finished today's focus letter (E). -- Reinyday, 23:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello Reinyday edit

The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.200.31 (talk • contribs) .

Catagorization of Category:Sports occupations edit

I'd like to know your rationale for making Category:Sports occupations a sub-catagory of Category:People by occupation. The result is that now People by occupation has two sports-related categories, Sports occupations and People known by their association with sports and hobbies (or something like that). This is confusing and I'd like to put it back to the way it was. --JeffW 17:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sure. Please put it back. I was just trying to be helpful. I think the problem is that a lot of articles in Category:Sports occupations belong in the other category. -- Reinyday, 17:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree and I'll try to fix that. --JeffW 18:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Maitreya Merge edit

Noticed that you moved some content over from World Teacher to the Maitreya page. Maitreya (Share International) might be a better place for that stuff, since it's about the Share International view of Maitreya; there was a movement afoot in the Maitreya page to keep the main page focused on the traditional Buddhist view of Maitreya, and keep the detailed information about other claimants on their own page. The Share International view of Maitreya doesn't really share a lot with the Buddhist version except for the name and the idea that they are a teacher who is going to appear sometime in the future; of course, Buddhist scriptures also say that no one will remember Shakyamuni Buddha anymore by the time the "real" Maitreya appears in the world. Thanks! --Clay Collier 00:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Great idea! I made the move... -- Reinyday, 01:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

User categories needing classification. edit

It looks as if you like putting wikipedians and user categories in the right place. If you are interested, I believe these all need to be classified:

Category:User Cowbell Category:User C-SPAN Category:User from Hesse Category:User Great Britain Category:User LBC Category:User NPR Category:User nude Category:User pit-4 Category:User rogue Category:User sv-5 Category:User vibes Category:User vibes-1 Category:User vibes-2 Category:User vibes-3 Category:User vibes-4 Category:User xylo Category:User xylo-1 Category:User xylo-2 Category:User xylo-3 Category:User xylo-4 Category:Wikipedian automaths Category:Wikipedian chemist Category:Wikipedian Hattrickers Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Canterubry High School (Ottawa) Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Wales, Lampeter Category:Wikipedians from South Dakota Category:Wikipedians interested in the Victorian period Category:Wikipedians in Wikipedia Category:Wikipedians on WikiWikiWeb Category:Wikipedians under influence Category:Wikipedians who fear clowns Category:Wikipedians who like HIM Category:Wikipedians who like Jimi Hendrix Category:Wikipedians with AD/HD

JonHarder 04:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I love tedious maintenance jobs. Even I don't understand it. -- Reinyday, 06:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:User Cowbell Category:User C-SPAN Category:User from Hesse Category:User Great Britain Category:User LBC Category:User NPR Category:User nude (←That one cracks me up!) Category:User pit-4 Category:User rogue Category:User sv-5 Category:User vibes Category:User vibes-1 Category:User vibes-2 Category:User vibes-3 Category:User vibes-4 Category:User xylo Category:User xylo-1 Category:User xylo-2 Category:User xylo-3 Category:User xylo-4 Category:Wikipedian automaths Category:Wikipedian chemist Category:Wikipedian Hattrickers Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Canterubry High School (Ottawa) (←I requested deletion of that one because it is a typo.) Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Wales, Lampeter Category:Wikipedians from South Dakota Category:Wikipedians interested in the Victorian period Category:Wikipedians in Wikipedia Category:Wikipedians on WikiWikiWeb Category:Wikipedians under influence Category:Wikipedians who fear clowns Category:Wikipedians who like HIM Category:Wikipedians who like Jimi Hendrix Category:Wikipedians with AD/HD

More edit

Here is a new list if you are interested: Category:User carbon Category:User degree/AS Category:User degree/law degree Category:User kalimotxo Category:User kalimotxo en Category:User kalimotxo eu Category:User mothering sunday Category:User Proud to be British Category:User religion flying spaghetti monster Category:Users partially active Category:User St Georges Day Category:Users who want to know, "What You Say?" Category:User Wikipedia/Community Justice Category:Wikipedian bibliophiles Category:Wikipedian mathematicians/math-4 Category:Wikipedian Saltwater Enthusiasts Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Metropolitan State College of Denver Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of North Florida Category:Wikipedians experiencing mental health issues Category:Wikipedians from Switzerland Category:Wikipedians in Curacao Category:Wikipedians in Las Vegas Category:Wikipedians in Pike County, Arkansas Category:Wikipedians who eat at KFC Category:Wikipedians who listen to Frank Zappa Category:Wikipedians who listen to Miles Davis Category:Wikipedians who support Luton Town Category:Wikipedians who visit National Parks Category:Wikipedians who wish not to be male Category:Wikipedians with 7000-7,500 edits Category:Wikipedians with accounts on "Rate Your Music" Category:Wikipedian translators JonHarder 02:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'm working on it. -- Reinyday, 03:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:User carbon (←I requested deletion of that one.) Category:User degree/AS Category:User degree/law degree Category:User kalimotxo Category:User kalimotxo en Category:User kalimotxo eu Category:User mothering sunday Category:User Proud to be British Category:User religion flying spaghetti monster Category:Users partially active Category:User St Georges Day Category:Users who want to know, "What You Say?" Category:User Wikipedia/Community Justice Category:Wikipedian bibliophiles Category:Wikipedian mathematicians/math-4 Category:Wikipedian Saltwater Enthusiasts Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Metropolitan State College of Denver Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of North Florida Category:Wikipedians experiencing mental health issues Category:Wikipedians from Switzerland Category:Wikipedians in Curacao Category:Wikipedians in Las Vegas Category:Wikipedians in Pike County, Arkansas Category:Wikipedians who eat at KFC Category:Wikipedians who listen to Frank Zappa Category:Wikipedians who listen to Miles Davis Category:Wikipedians who support Luton Town Category:Wikipedians who visit National Parks Category:Wikipedians who wish not to be male Category:Wikipedians with 7000-7,500 edits Category:Wikipedians with accounts on "Rate Your Music" Category:Wikipedian translators

Thanks edit

Just wanted to say thanks for coming up with a very pleasing solution to the formatting issue on my userpage. I came back from vacation and logged on, wondering what I was going to try next to reorganize my userbox dump, and lo and behold, someone else had done it for me. And just two days after I had put up the request for help! I really appreciate you taking the time to look at it. Iapetus 00:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to leave me a note... -- Reinyday, 01:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Merzbox cleanup edit

Nice work cleaning up Merzbox. Cnwb 04:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Thank you! I really appreciate the compliment! -- Reinyday, 13:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you edit

Thanks for making my user Box Fit properly[1]. --E-Bod 20:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • My pleasure! Enjoy... -- Reinyday, 23:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Your user page edit

One observation about your user page, if you change the line

{| border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style=" margin: 0.5em 1em 0.5em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%; width:100%"

to

{| border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style=" clear: right; margin: 0.5em 1em 0.5em 0; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%; width:100%"

it will keep the three boxes that float to the right from overlapping the table, regardless of how long your Currently Working On list becomes in the future. Aside from that, you have a very nice user page - clean, simple, and informative. Koweja 00:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Thank you for taking the time to offer your advice. -- Reinyday, 23:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Genealogy Software edit

Thankyou for cleaning it up. Gioto 23:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to acknowledge me. -- Reinyday, 23:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Should this template be deleted? edit

Hi Reinyday. I noticed you edited Template:CategorisationDisputedPeople. I created Template:CategorisationDisputedTopics for similar purposes, and it's been proposed for deletion, so you may want to comment on that here. best regards, Jim Butler(talk) 05:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)Reply