Redrose64

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Heading to London in May

Hey, I'll be in London in a couple of months as part of a European trip with my mother ... hopefully we'll see you at the Wikipedia meetup then! Today we've started the mammoth task of printing out tickets and so forth for the trip (mobile phones aren't the best for either of us, for different reasons), so that reminded me to let you know. Graham87 (talk) 11:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Graham87, the provisional dates for meetups are: London, 12 May; and Oxford, 19 May. Please note that these pages have not yet been created. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I've swung the trip for the London one (I'd already put the page for it on my Meta watchlist). I didn't actually know that Oxford meetups had become more regular; I'd been looking deeply at this in 2022 (as you might remember) and it seems their times became re-standardised around early 2023. Oh well, this way we can take mainland Europe at a more leisurely pace. Graham87 (talk) 01:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Graham87: It seemed to be irregular because we always skip December - Oxford meetups are eleven times a year, third Sunday of the month, i.e. one week after London; but the third Sunday in December (15 through 21 December inclusive) would be too close to Christmas. Around that time, the pubs are typically full up, often with of people on their workplace's Christmas drinks or dinners, and we can't get a table let alone a quiet one. Some people (myself included) get extra work in December, being the busiest time of the year in shops, and that can include Sunday work. In fact regular Oxford meetups resumed in October 2022, some months after COVID-19 restrictions had been totally lifted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, all makes sense. Oxford 86 being on 26 February through me for a loop (seems you changed it due to being unavailable on the regular date). I was looking deeply into UK meetups back in July 2022 so there's that. :-) Australia in general and Western Australia in particular managed to dodge a ridiculous number of bullets re COVID due to being locked shut for a while, so I sometimes don't take into account how horrifically it affected the rest of the world. Graham87 (talk) 11:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Graham87: Quick update: the first UK meetup page for May has been created, it is at Leeds on Saturday 4 May, that is, eight days before the London meetup. Leeds is about 185 miles from London, but there is a direct rail service that is frequent - twioe an hour; regular - trains are every thirty minutes; also quite fast - it takes about two hours and ten minutes. I really don't think that I can get to that one though, I would need to take three trains with a much longer journey time. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah I'll be leaving Australia on 6 May so I don't think I'll be making it to that one either! :-) Just to clarify, I'll be in London from 8 to 16 May and in mainland Europe after that. Graham87 (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I've signed up ... looking forward to it! Graham87 (talk) 08:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Great! --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Reverting

NO MORE REVIRTING EDITS PLEASE REDROSE64 Robbie Kirillov (talk) 11:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

YOU ARE SOON GONNA BE FIRED AND BANNED FROM WIKIPEDIA! Robbie Kirillov (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

But you told me that it doesn't fit for RfC

Oh sorry, I shouldn't have removed it Alon Alush (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Code formatting

Oddly, I'm thanking you for the revert—I was struggling to find the correct logic for the line breaks and settled on (i) pipes being separators and (ii) the hyphenation principle that the end of a line should suggest the start of the next.

What I'm more concerned about is the wholesale mangling of the formatting that resulted when vast numbers of quotation marks were added and things taken outside <code> tags that belonged inside. I wonder if it just needs rolling back to before those edits. Musiconeologist (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Have we removed all those quote marks now? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

There are still some near the end. I've not properly checked an earlier version yet, but I've a feeling the parameter names have been taken out of code style throughout as well. They certainly look a bit odd, because of the non-matching typeface. Musiconeologist (talk) 19:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

University (Birmingham)

You were quite right that University railway station (England) was unlikely to have a photograph that was out of date; the photo of the new station was up more than a month before the station buildings were opened (in January 2024). Klbrain (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Half an hour ago, on BBC South Today, there's an item on the paintings stolen from Christchurch. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes; let's hope that they find the other paintings. Incidentally, there's nothing on it at Christ Church, Oxford, but that's probably not unreasonable (not news ...). Klbrain (talk) 10:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!

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	Thanks for helping me shorten my signature! Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 15:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Bradshaw Railway Timetables.

I corrected some spelling errors for Liverpool places, "Childwell" etc. in the Wikisource Bradshaw. I was surprised to see that the main Wiki page for Bradshaw, didn't seem to have a link to there. I've put in a link to s:Page:Bradshaw's_Railway_Timetables_(No3.)_1839.djvu/1 If this is not correct, maybe you can tidy it up. Thank you. 78.145.202.10 (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know why you're asking me. I have done almost nothing at Wikisource, save for this edit and creating my user page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You did an edit to Bradshaw's Guide about a month ago, and others previous ; So I assumed you had a special interest in that page. Surely the Wiki Bradshaw page, and the Wikisource Bradshaw should be linked. Best Wishes from Prestatyn.

78.145.202.10 (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

They were maintenance edits. If you have suggestions for the improvement of an article, the place to do so is its own dedicated talk page: in the specific case of Bradshaw's Guide, this is Talk:Bradshaw's Guide. Please don't pick random editors. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 16 § Ancient law (before 6th century BC)

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 16 § Ancient law (before 6th century BC) on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Apparently I created Category:13th century BC in law, like, way back in December 2010. Don't recall why. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies/doc

Template:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 07:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Tesla RFC

Was there any other problem, or was the case the only problem? I will assume that the case was the only issue unless I am otherwise notified. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Template:Initiated only recognises |done=yes, it ignores |Done=yes - you can tell because the text didn't change to black. The other thing was that you put the {{Done}} in between the {{initiated}} and your original request, so anybody coming across that section might assume that you had filed a pointless non-request. By putting them on separate lines it shows that there were two separate actions. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject A Cappella/doc

Template:WikiProject A Cappella/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Two days to go...

Parliament will be dissolved on 30 May ahead of the UK general election on 4 July. What is the dissolution of Parliament? Cavrdg (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cavrdg: Whilst Hansard does say we do, in His Majesty’s name, and in obedience to His Majesty’s Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Friday the thirty-first of May, it also says End of the Fifth Session (opened on 7 November 2023) of the Fifty-Eighth Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Second Year of the Reign of His Majesty King Charles the Third. So the MPs have nothing to do in Westminster, and as shown on several recent news bulletins, they're all out on the campaign trail.

Oxfordshire gains an extra contituency (increasing to seven), all six of the existing constituencies have boundary changes, the smallest change being to Oxford East, which loses the city centre to Oxford West and Abingdon. Two of the "old" constituencies also change their names. There are several hundred articles to update, and that's just Oxfordshire, so I've started slightly early. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

When to remove a talk page topic?

Hello Redrose64,

The actual reason I removed the talk page because the case is finally resolved or the case is finally closed, the end result is to leave it as "East Asia" which i actually agree with. If the other editors also prefers this way then i am actually fine with it. But when it's the right time to really remove the talk page? Or I just have leave it there forever? Sorry for asking. Rainbluetiful (talk) 07:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rainbluetiful: If you start a thread, and nobody else replies to it, you may safely remove it. But once somebody else has replied, WP:TPO applies and you no longer have the right to remove the thread. Experienced uninvolved editors may formally close it at some point, or may set up the page for automatic archiving, see WP:ARCHIVENOTDELETE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh I had no idea about this thx for telling me, but i also have few questions about this: where to ask an uninvolved editor to archive or close the thread after the case is finally resolved? And if the page is archive will it be visible to other people and are archived talk page topics removed from the article's talk page? Rainbluetiful (talk) 07:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

And is there a specific time where the talk page can be archived or closed? because when i read the rules about closing a talk page, it says that i have to wait for at least 7 days for the talk page to be closed by an uninvolved editor. Wikipedia:Closing_discussions

What about for archiving too? how long do i have to wait? I dont know where to find an uninvolved editor to close my page (i am preparing right now in advanced) Rainbluetiful (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. You were right about the pic on his user page. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

apologies

I forgot viz was even a word, my dumb brain thought it was a typo. abrannigan (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk: Naseem Hamed/RFC on Ethnicity

Interesting. Thank for you for advising me. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. What I am inferring is that Legobot doesn't grok nowiki, and so treats the template inside the nowiki as a real template, and either activates it or deactivates it. I think that reactivating it now that the subpage is transcluded is the least disruptive way to clean up. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking for guidance at British Rail Class 197

Hi Redrose, I was wondering if you could give me some guidance on the actions I’ve taken at Class 197? Anamyd removed the Welsh language version of nameplates, which I believed to be incorrect. So I reverted and started a discussion at the talk page… am I wrong to be a little salty (albeit obviously I’m not doing anything about it) that Anamyd then just reverted it back and ignored the talk page message, despite being tagged?

Just to be clear, I’m not wanting to complain or anything of the sort - I’m just wanting to make sure I didn’t do anything wrong in that situation. Danners430 (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

My first question would be - does the Welsh text appear on the plate itself? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes it does Danners430 (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Boundaries 23 or 24

I was thinking of when the Boundary Commission announced the changes. But that is not even right because Parliament had to approve them and I don't know when that happened. It isn't worth obsessing about the detail, I'm content with your revision. FYI only, nothing to do. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@JMF: See The Parliamentary Constituencies Order 2023 - it was approved by the Privy Council (not by Parliament) on 15 November 2023, but the Explanatory note also says:

By virtue of section 4(6) of the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (c. 50), the coming into force of this Order does not affect any parliamentary election until a proclamation is issued by His Majesty summoning a new Parliament or affect the constitution of the House of Commons until the dissolution of the Parliament then in being.

That reads as the old boundaries ceasing to exist and the new ones coming into force with the dissolution of Parliament, 31 May 2024. That's logical, as it couldn't be earlier otherwise the people of Stony Stratford would suddenly find that their MP was Ben Everitt instead of Iain Stewart, and it couldn't be later otherwise the various Returning Officers would not legally be able to invite nominations for candidates for e.g. Milton Keynes Central or Buckingham and Bletchley. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Pentrefelin Halt railway station

Would it be possible for you to show the line connections served by this halt on both the Swansea District Line and the GWR Morriston branch line in a box at the end of the article, please. I note that you were the originator of the article.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: I added the routebox. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Defaultsort

I'm sorry, I've noticed multiple constituencies use the magic word and assumed it's just a norm. Can you advise where it should be used? Do I understand correctly that it should be used in cases like e.g. "North Derbyshire" and "East Derbyshire" to make them sorted as "Derbyshire, North" and "Derbyshire, East"? Thanks :)

P.s. if it is not a pressing matter I'll come back and fix excessive defaultsorts later. Sfaxx (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sfaxx: At one time, the use of {{DEFAULTSORT:}} was universal, because category sorting was case-sensitive, that is, capital letters all sorted before small letters, so "Z" sorted before "a", which caused confusion, and so it was necessary to use DEFAULTSORT on almost every page to normalise the capitalisation for consistent sorting. This has not been the case since a software change way back in 2011; you will still see pages where the sortkey specified by DEFAULTSORT differs from the page title only in capitalisation, but this is merely because nobody has removed them yet. There is certainly no need to add them, as you did here, as {{DEFAULTSORT:North West Essex (Uk Parliament Constituency)}} sets a sortkey which is simply a variant case of the page title, North West Essex (UK Parliament constituency) - two letters differ in casing. In general, a DEFAULTSORT is only needed when one of the circumstances described at WP:SORTKEY applies, as with this edit, where the contraction "St" should be sorted as the full "Saint".

On occasion, it is desirable to vary the sort order for one particular category, but this is not done using DEFAULTSORT, but by adding a piped value to the category, as described at WP:SORTCAT. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on rfc

Hi, sorry to bother you but I see that you specialise in RfCs and I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on Talk:United States#RfC: How should the US' relations with developing countries be summarised in the body?, I know I've handled it dreadfully and bludgeoned discussion, but I'm not sure how I could've made the rfc lead more neutral to address the criticisms given. I know the main issue with the rfc was a lack respect but I perceive the opposite opinions as a common injustice which induces the combative behaviour and makes it very difficult for me to facilitate the rfc (not trying to excuse the disrespect but reason for it, I accept it was improper). Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Oxford

Great to see you again in Oxford yesterday, thanks for organising! I hope the rest of your journey home was smoother than mine: we all got kicked off at Reading due to "staff shortages" and then of course the next train along was too full to get on. Fortunately didn't have to wait very long for another. the wub "?!" 13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for coming! The staff shortages began in the morning, a lot of trains running through Swindon either terminated short or were cancelled. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@The wub: I forgot to give you a link like this, showing how passengers had a view through the driving cab of a Class 108, as used on the Blackburn-Bolton-Manchester route. The second-class car at the other end of the unit had a better forward view, because the lack of armrests meant that you could position yourself behind the middle of the right-hand window without having to lean sideways to avoid the window frame. Other classes used on that route were Class 104 and Class 105, but they all gave a view through the cab. Class 105 gave a wider field of view, as they had two large cab windscreens instead of three smaller ones. At this time (early 1980s) there was still one Class 100 car in service (M53355), coupled to one of the last Class 105 cars, but I don't remember ever riding on that one. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow, that's quite a view! I was expecting maybe a window on one side of the cab, not being able to see out the whole front. Sadly never travelled on any of these, but one consolation is there's plenty of cab ride videos available on youtube now. the wub "?!" 17:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@The wub: The last time I rode on a DMU with a view through the cab was a Class 121 during its final weeks of service on the Princes Risborough-Aylesbury branch in May 2017. If you want to experience something similar, there are several preserved lines with pre-1980s DMUs - classes 100 through 127 inclusive are the ones to look out for. Your closest preserved line will be the Epping Ongar Railway who certainly had two or three DMU cars a few years ago, but I'm not sure if they have one any more. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Reversion of 'See also' link

Hello @Redrose64:, I recently added a relevant item to the "See also" section of Resistor–transistor logic, per:

• Transistor–transistor logic (TTL)
• Redrose64 Undid revision 1227335412 by Enquire

...on the pretext that there were already links in the body of the article (true). However, in the interests of inclusion, I would expect the "See also" section to be a summary of relevant related articles – whether (or not) they are mentioned in the body of the article. Indeed, it would seem to me to be strange if related articles that appear in "See also" were not mentioned in the body of the article. In your reversion note, you cited Wikipedia:SEEALSO – which I reviewed – but there is nothing in that section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style that precludes including a link in "See also" if it has been mentioned in the body of the text once, let alone n times. As of now, there is only one item in the "See also" section – I can think of several good related articles that could also be added.
Enquire (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Enquire: To quote from WP:SEEALSO: As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Blackrod station

In either the Historical Railways or the Disused Railways boxes at the foot of the article, would it be proper to show a link connection to the LYR Hindley to Blackrod Branch where the first station is that of Hilton House. If you thibk it is worthwhile to do so, can you please add this information on.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)