User talk:RedCoat10/Archive 2

Latest comment: 16 years ago by Gibmetal77 in topic POTD notification

Re Image

RedCoat10 I just uploaded another one, will I assume your last message covers both, or do you want to repeat the message. --Domer48 11:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I will give you the benefit of the doubt and take it for granted that you are aware. RedCoat10 11:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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Barbary Partridge

I don't think that your edits are bad faith, unless you consider a rollback to be a declaration of such. Unfortunately, using pop-ups I missed half your edit, and inadvertently rolled back more than I thought. Categories for birds of individual European countries are now deprecated, and should be categorised as "birds of Europe". My book has Red-legged Partridge as the only Alectoris partridge in Iberia, so can you say whether it's introduced or native (latter seems unlikely - I tried to check on birdlife international, but the site is down). Apologies for not clarifying earlier. Jimfbleak 05:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've found a different link, and I'm happy that it really is native. Jimfbleak 06:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Agree, it's a more scientific-looking source. Jimfbleak 09:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Gibraltar Constitution Order 2006

Hi RedCoat10. You are off to such a great start on the article Gibraltar Constitution Order 2006 that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 17:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On July 25, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gibraltar Constitution Order 2006, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Well done RedCoat10. Top work.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On August 2, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Black Swan Project controversy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Well done again RedCoat10 on your Gibraltar work. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history of Gibraltar during World War II

Hi RedCoat10, I would first like to congratulate you on the high quality of this article. That is why I am here - I feel it deserves Good Article status, assuming you are willing to make a few minor tweaks, or even a few big ones, if it is put on hold or fails the first time. I thought I'd just let you know. If you are interested, the Good Article candidate page is here. Cheers -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats your choice, all I will say is that it is probably a good idea. Also, I would support your decision to make improvements to the lead section, as it was one of the few flaws I perceived when looking at the article; it doesnt seem to properly summarise the article, as leads should, and may need some (minor) improvement in wording. Cheers, and good luck in regards to the article's 'polishing'. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations! Well done. It deserves the status; a great piece of writing. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • RedCoat10, I really like what you've done with the article. Seems quite a bit easier to read. That being said, I'd suggest some sort of timeline to put at the top of the article on the right, about where you'd have an infobox. The chronicle of events is a good idea, but I'd suggest making it narrower and sticking it up towards the front. That way, someone new to the topic can get a quick overview of the big points without having to delve into the main body. Just my two cents. JKBrooks85 22:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I'd say to use the same sort of style that you used with the submarine attack box to cover the main points in the military history of Gibraltar during WWII. Make it one column, narrow, and include your top photo in it. Since there's no real infobox for this sort of thing, I imagine that a timeline sort of box would really work well to help people get an overview without having to read the whole article. JKBrooks85 18:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks very nice, indeed. I like it a lot. If you'd like, I'll proofread it and clarify the bits that I (as an outside reader) find unclear. Let me know. JKBrooks85 16:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar! I'm just sorry we couldn't get that article to pass the A-list review. Let me know if there's any help I can give when you decide to tackle it again. JKBrooks85 17:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Gibraltar flag icons

Actually RedCoat10, I am far from happy. There is no need at all to have any flags there. Removing them (for the second time) to avoid a silly conflict was justifiable on my part. Replacing them was not a good idea. --John 20:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

DYKs on WP:Gibraltar

Hey RedCoat10, I was wondering if you could add the actual DYKs on the articles you've added to the Project instead of the article title. I just think it will look better. Let me know what you think.
P.S. Did you see the reply I left you on my talk page some time ago, R.E. Sikorski's plaque? Gibmetal 77talk 09:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

re:George IV portrait

I'm glad you liked it, I removed the halftoning with the method described on commons, fourier analysis [1] Bleh999 12:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Yes, I think it is ready. last thing: don't be completely surprised if it fails - there are some very hard reviewers out there. I would review it (I have done a few reviews in the past), and pass it, but I'm not sure I could be considered impartial because of my involvement. All the same; I'm fairly sure it will pass, and even if it doesn't, it will give you some idea where the article needs improving. Good luck. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries: I like to see articles that deserve a status to be granted that status, or at least to have a go. Thanks, -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

August 4 DYK

Updated DYK query On 4 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Defeat of the Floating Batteries at Gibraltar, September 1782, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
--Andrew c [talk] 11:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you very much! I came across it in one category or another. I only got so far with it, it still needs quite a bit of work. But, anyway, thank you. Into The Fray T/C 12:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Mozart - Gibraltar

Hello, turns out you found an entire class of Mozart compositions that were not in the list: short pieces for voice and accompaniment. I added a section for Concert Arias, Songs and Canons and added the Gibraltar fragment to the list and an expansion tag. I also removed the piano concerto tag from the article. Thanks for the article! DavidRF 16:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:George IV bust1.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 11:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 9 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bardengesang auf Gibraltar: O Calpe! Dir donnert's am Fusse, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
--Circeus 21:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Somaliland

RedCoat, the former currency of Somaliland was the East African shilling, as Somaliland is an independent state. - (Numismaticman 06:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Naming conventions on numismatic articles

Nothing will change my opinion that it currently sucks the way it is, given the fact that the Coins of the South African Republic article is wrongly merged into the article Coins of the South African pound, when it should be the Coins of the South African rand that should be merged into the former. - (Numismaticman 06:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Postal Order articles

RedCoat, can you please help me out with an article called Postal Orders of Gibraltar? I would like your input as far as information on these goes. - (Numismaticman 06:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Thank you for adding in some information. If you have got a postal order bearing a datestamp of the Royal Gibraltar Post Office, can you please upload some photos of both sides of the postal order to illustrate the article? - (Numismaticman 12:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Traders' Currency Tokens of Gibraltar

RedCoat, if you have any information, including the KMTn numbers, can you please contribute some information, including photos? - (Numismaticman 12:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

I have created the article, which I reckon should be an online Krause catalogue, as a lot of collectors cannot afford the books themselves. What do you think? - (Numismaticman 13:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC))
That is a very good addition of KMTn catalogue numbers to the article. Can you please include an English translation of the Spanish inscriptions as well? - (Numismaticman 14:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Thank you for the translation of the Spanish inscriptions. We are aiming to educate people, so it helps to have the original language with an English translation. Spanish is a language I don't have any competence in, although there are certain things that I can read in Spanish. - (Numismaticman 21:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Krause catalogue

RedCoat, I own a battered copy of the 1981 Krause catalogue, whose numbering system is obsolete. - (Numismaticman 13:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

I have now signed up

I have now signed up, so hopefully that we can get a collaborative effort in place. - (Numismaticman 23:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

unblank

thanks Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 22:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


DYK

Updated DYK query On 12 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Sortie Made by the Garrison of Gibraltar, 1789 , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
---- Anonymous DissidentTalk 01:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom

Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 12 August, 2007, a fact from the article Thomas William Bowlby, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
--Wizardman 19:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

War Correspondent

Thanks for cleaning that up--I left a comment on the talk page to that effect, but I didn't know how to sweep through and bundle all of that into the unreferenced tag.--Sammermpc 17:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Copley

Thank you! I appreciate it, and welcome further improvements. Biruitorul 18:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Just keep those flags out of the infobox :) ! Biruitorul 18:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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GCSE

Thank you! Congratulations to you too. The options I picked were/are German, History and Geography. English is probably my weakest subject because I'm not very confident in writing (that probably shows). Maths my strongest, though I had to work extremely hard for that A* with very little teaching. This new science GCSE is of mixed fortunes. The first half of the double science GCSE we did this year. I managed to get 40/40 and 40/40 on the most recent modules, but before that I got an array of marks in the low-to-mid 30s. My average is 35.8 (36 being necessary for an A*) so my fate depends on these new weird internal exams which count for something like 30% overall. Aside from the important ones, I did paper 1 of RS Catholic Christianity this year and got 86/100. I don't know what sort of grade I'm looking at with there, and I don't even know whether that's scaled or raw! The rest to look forward to next year! So you're also in year 10 and have taken things early? Biofoundationsoflanguage 10:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Nope. I've done basic science (or whatever it's called) this year and do additional next year. Is yours with edexcel too? I might have to repeat science modules if my internal exam papers aren't quite enough to get me up to an A* overall. But that's not the end of the world.
My school bullied me in to doing maths early but didn't really give me satisfactory assistance. I had to have a tutor, but I don't know how much use he was really. A lot of the stuff he taught me wasn't in the exam. They want me to do some FSMQ and again probably won't teach me, which will do my esteem no end of good!
Does it bother you doing Spanish? (either politically or otherwise). I certainly prefer german to romance languages, but I'm not that good at it. I'm sure there are more useful languages we could be learning! Mandarin is the new up-and-coming language after all.
We're going to be done by this new A* grade at A-level! Great... Biofoundationsoflanguage 14:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't go so far as saying I liked maths! Certainly this additional maths thing with OCR seems fiendishly difficult. On the practice paper on OCR's website I can only just answer the first question, which would get me a grade U. So I have some improving to do!
German verbs and sentence order is the biggest problem, but I think pronunciation is simpler than many other languages. Even English has quite a few illogically-pronounced words.
Ah Gordie. My best friend! While I prefer his style (or lack thereof) to that of Blair, I think he's been very lucky with the economy over the last 10 years without having to do much. He inherited an economy in very good condition from the last government of course (contrary to the rubbish spread about mostly by the labour party) which helps too of course. If he wants to govern the country for any length of time he'd be barmy not to call an election this year, because people won't love him unquestionably for too long (unlike Blair). What a shame Dave is an equal twit. (Sorry - I always get too deeply involved whenever someone mentions a politician's name)
I will do AQA for English and German. I think edexcel has a (possibly untrue) reputation of being somewhat easier for sciencey-mathsy subject, which is probably why my school picks them. Are your exam papers marked locally, do you know? Just curious. Biofoundationsoflanguage 16:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Gibraltar sounds a great place. I'd really like to move to somewhere with a strong British influence, but which hasn't been spoiled by bureaucracy and general nastiness. I would really like to be a Governor of somewhere, not that there's much choice of places anymore! Being a representitive of the Crown than some politician. It probably sounds odd but I am quite nostalgic for a time I've never experienced - I would have loved to have been around when Margaret Thatcher won a landslide and be able to appreciate the gravity of it. Do you identify and Gibraltarian and British, or British and Gibraltarian?
I do feel somewhat sorry for Brown. His problems in the first month certainly don't compare to Tony's (he only had "the people's princess"'s death to deal with). I still hope he comes a cropper though.
Nice link there. I would like to know what it must be like trying to learn English. Biofoundationsoflanguage 17:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way I've nicked your countries I've visited thing and put it on my userpage! (though obviously changed the countries) Biofoundationsoflanguage 19:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
It's been a scarily short time since citizens of the 'colonies' have been entitled to British Citizenship! We were very mean not to give everyone in Hong Kong a British Passport. We didn't even give the people who served in the armed forces there one, and not only was their loyalty not in question but they no longer had a job after the handover! That makes me very angry and sad.
As much as I would like us to have an empire again I still fully support Gibraltar and the other (what should I call them?!) increasing their self-determination while remaining very friendly with Britain. I don't think that's a case of double standards on my part. At least I hope not!
It's fantastic that people take such an interest in politics! I suppose there it's actually worth doing. Lack of a serious opposition party and increasing EU-meddling has really put me off here. Not that I can vote yet anyway. I hope you get represented at the United Nations! Especially as it looks like we are going to be forced into giving up our security council seat in favour of an EU one. I despair. Biofoundationsoflanguage 10:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
If they'd been given a passport, they may have been more relaxed staying (knowing they had a get-out if necessary). It would've been a great goodwill gesture at leaste and would've left a nicer taste in people's mouths. But oh well, that's history now.
I'd be quite interested in a political job as I complain so much about the current lot. See if I could do any better! Law would be a consideration, but probably not frontline stuff. Maybe more researchy. Biofoundationsoflanguage 12:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Being hated comes with the territory. I would try to be very honest and open though and make very clear my beliefs. I think the problem with most politicians is that they have no real experience of the real world and have a bunch of advisors who went straight from school, to uniiversity, to being an advisor. And this shows.
You can do a GCSE is a lot of things! I really wanted to do latin but my rubbish school wouldn't let me. Biofoundationsoflanguage 12:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
If I did become an MP, my first Private Member's Bill would probably be to reintroduce flogging as a punishment. Lawlessness is becoming a real problem here, particularly among people our age. Not anything that a few lashes wouldn't solve though!
My school withdrew latin last year because they couldn't afford to keep hiring this bloke to come in and teach it. Which is a shame because I'm not getting on with History too well. The list of GCSEs is quite surprising. I'm tempted by Home Economics: Food and Nutrition! Biofoundationsoflanguage 15:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It strikes me if you say anything you get human rightists on your hands! It is extremely ironic we're talking about this, though does give one some hope in our generation! Biofoundationsoflanguage 17:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Aha. Try now! Yes I do have msn. Biofoundationsoflanguage 13:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

New Flame

Hi RedCoat, good going on the wiki. I've only just started to contribute to Wiki and I was working on M/V New Flame as "hands-on learning" project, I would like to continue contributing. So lets use the talk Talk:M/V_New_Flame to exchange ideas on what to expand. Nice picture for starts! Figarema 15:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

RAOK

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
In recognition of your hard work in helping me try to get Portrait of George Washington.jpeg to featured picture status, which unfortunately didn't quite work out so well, I hope this provides you with some consolation. BrokenSphereMsg me 04:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ironically, my 2nd FP nom falls flat, while my first went off without a hitch, picking up 15 unanimous votes including mine. That's how it goes.  ;) BrokenSphereMsg me 04:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

my sig

I see you liked my signature lol :P BennelliottTalkContribs 12:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Antidiapl07.jpg

Hi. I am not very good in these copyright issues so I want your help. The image is from the first page of a 12-page newspaper that is distributed for free (no money is required to buy -check the first page that there is no cost written) in the whole Greece in special kiosks and is also available on-line. This newspaper is printed by Union of Centrists, a minor political party to promote its activities. The party's page is http://www.enosikentroon.gr and the page for the newspaper is http://www.enosikentroon.gr/antidia12.htm The newspaper is obviously free to distrubute and promote. Can you please set the right status for the image? -- Magioladitis 12:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me with the image. Friendly, Magioladitis 13:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 4 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Convent (Gibraltar), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
--Carabinieri 22:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On September 13, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Coat of arms of Catalonia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Good to see you again RedCoat. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Pavarotti pic upload

Thank you very much, RedCoat. I understand the policy about copyright, though I don't agree with it. And I thought it a moment of supreme bad taste that somebody had the only pic we had deleted today as a possible copyright violation. Just seems like they could have waited a few days, knowing how many people would be coming to read the article. Jeffpw 14:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Templar (template)

based on the repeated reverts, and racist comments made by the editor, there was no good faith to assume. it appeared as vandalism, and i acted accordingly. --emerson7 | Talk 15:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The Raven

Hey, RedCoat. Thanks for your clean up on The Raven. I'll work on that part in the composition section that is riddled with weasel words. I had a hard time writing that so I'll admit it's shoddy. Question, though. During the peer review I was told that possessive terms should be done within the brackets, i.e. [Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe's]... I hadn't heard it before but I acquiesced. Where in the MoS does it talk about that? Thanks again! I'm hoping it passes FA review soon. --Midnightdreary 12:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Truthfully, I think I have a tendency towards falling into weasel words no matter what. Even so, I gave it a try. Is this any better? I no longer have that source in hand so I didn't want to change too much. Does it still present sweeping assertions? By the way, in your opinion, is that "Main article: Philosophy of Composition" tag needed here? I'm suddenly inclined to remove it. --Midnightdreary 21:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Re Gib RFC

Why delete this article mate, perfectly justifiable reason to be there, at least a smuch as the football team Robuphill 14:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Re Gibraltar page rugby union info

understand why you tagged the original rugby article i did indeed create in error, but why delete the info on the gibraltar page linking to the site? Did I write something incorrectly or what? Robuphill 14:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

re Campo Gibraltar Rugby Union Football Club

RedCoat, cheers for tarting it up, u can tell i am a novice, is the reference provided enough on the article or do i need more, and if so what....i appreciate your time in helping out here rob

RFA Thanks

POTD notification

POTD

Hi RedCoat,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Gibraltar Barbary Macaque.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 27, 2007. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-09-27. howcheng {chat} 23:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi RedCoat, congratulations on having had your image featured on today's main page. :o) Gibmetal 77talk 21:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I initially ADDED content on the day of the Release of the Core 2 Duo E6#50's line....

I initially ADDED content on the day of the Release of the Core 2 Duo E6#50's line.... However I decided to then revert the content back as it was still in the Future Processors section. As far as (OTHER CONTENT)...I added several OEM processors to the line up of Pentium 4 478 pin 400FSB 2.8GHZ processor. The first being the SL7EY....it was an obvious oversight by those who edit the page. I currently run a system with this processor. I also noted that the page was also missing a P4 478 Pin 400FSB 3.0Ghz processor (although I could not off hand remember the S code... it is a necessary addition that should not have been overlooked OEM or not!

So to sum up, I reverted everything on the C2D page exactly back to the way I found it. I made two additions to the Pentium 4 page!

i don't appreciate your attitude with me over wiki....you don't own it. And I'll make changes when i want to! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.246.205 (talk) 06:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The now-traditional RFA thank-spam

RFA Thanks!

Thanks for your participation for my RFA bid and for your support.--JForget 23:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou!

Aww, thankyou for the barnstar :) I am proud of my little collection of quotes :p Anyway, I am going to return the favor, since you have an amazing userpage!

The Special Barnstar
I, Jackrm, am awarding RedCoat10 a barnstar for 2 reasons. The first reason is that he awarded me a barnstar for the humourous quotes on my userpage, which is a random act of kindness! The second is the fact that he has an amazing userpage! Thankyou! — jacĸrм (talk) 22:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, thankyou. — jacĸrм (talk) 22:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, you can find plenty more at this website. — jacĸrм (talk) 23:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello RedCoat, i didn't know you were on this, learn something new everyday, It's Jake B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.231.107 (talk) 20:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)