User talk:Raven1977/Archive 1

Whatcha Think About That

I don't see where I can leave my opinion about the deletion of the article. The song received an official single release and has charted. The single is a failure at the moment. The music video will be released soon. Charmed36 (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Raven1977, exactly what was the point of nominating the article for deletion? Your rationale doesn't even make sense: you can't use the defense that the song hasn't charted well or hasn't won any awards, since it was released only a week or two ago and hasn't had time to make an impact. Also, there hasn't been any award shows since it's release. The song has an upcoming music video, has charted in both the US and Canada (since it hasn't been released internationally), and has been reviewed as a single (under critical reception). I'd really like to hear your opinion on this. Obviously the article will not be deleted, but I'll watch it so I can see how it all plays out. Orane (talk) 16:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

PROD

Thanks for that, you are indeed right, and I know the related policy well. I was simply adding it for another editor, I know that isn't really an excuse for not checking the history, but I just noticed that they may have wanted some help adding it, so I fixed it up. Blame it on the fact that I am a gnome. Thanks, — neuro^(talk) 15:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Human Factor

Don't worry about it. It's always best to err on the side of caution when it comes to the potential deletion of an article. I've gone ahead and nominated it; it only takes a few moments with Twinkle. Steve ^{T • C} 07:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, and here I've been doing stuff the hard way, it seems! Definitely going to check out Twinkle now. raven1977 (talk) 15:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Removing yourself from list

Hi Raven1977. I found out that you removed yourself from Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes as you did here. I added you back on the list, but I striked your name out as I did here. The reason I did this was so editors could see that you were once part of the WikiProject. How do you feel about my action?. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 21:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, I wasn't sure what the etiquette for that was. I don't mind staying on the list, but being noted as a past member. So your actions are a-ok with me, but thanks for letting me know! raven1977 (talk) 21:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 21:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Baruya high school

You tagged Baruya high school for speedy deletion as G1, nonsense. I agree that the article should be deleted, but I believe that it was in the Tagalog language or Filipino language rather than being random nonsense. I couldn't find any good references for the school apart from a wikimapia.org listing for San Rafael Baruya High School, so I wasn't able to salvage the article. -- Eastmain (talk) 03:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh oops, I didn't even think that it might be in a different language. I guess that would be something to keep in mind, thanks for letting me know.raven1977 (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Miss Cast Away

Nice work at sourcing the article. I apologize for not getting to it in a timely manner. When I came to finally do some work, I see you had gotten here before me. If there is anything I might do to assist, just let me know. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I just happened across the article at AfD and saw the sources you'd mentioned, so I figured I'd go ahead and make an attempt at saving it. I found that it was the last role for Bob Denver (aka Gilligan) before his death, so I thought that, as well as it having a Michael Jackson cameo made it notable enough. I saw the AfD got closed for lack of consensus, and I hope I've got the article in a good enough state that it'll be left as it is. I've got it on my watchlist though and I will add to it as I have time, but I am going to be going out of town tomorrow for a couple weeks so I won't be able to get to it during that time. So if you've got the urge to try to bring it into a better state, by all means go for it, otherwise, I'll get back to it when I return.raven1977 (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough... and glad my sources were of help. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Jeremy James (singer/songwriter)

Thank you for removing the prod. Bearian (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Even if it hadn't been for that procedural issue, I would have removed it anyway because the article seems to meet notability as far as I can see, with a few references in third-party publications. raven1977 (talk) 23:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

He's also toured in the major folky circuit - from New York to Albany. Bearian (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I've added more references. Bearian (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

A heads-up

There's a new CSD category—{{db-album}}—which can be used for albums by an artist without an article on WIkipedia. Thought you might like to know. I replaced your prod at Chronicles of the Beast Man with one. —Hello, Control ^{Hello, Tony} 18:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks for the info! raven1977 (talk) 19:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Dahms

You didn't finish this nomination. I fixed it for you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I was in the middle of it, and now the page is kinda screwy. How do we fix it? raven1977 (talk) 17:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured out how to remove the duplicated header. Just to explain what happened, I was using Twinkle to nominate at AfD but it didn't do it properly. So I was working on fixing it, when you did the rest. But I do appreciate the help. raven1977 (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Raja Rajeshwari

Take a look. I have done a sandblasting to the article. Your hint about the name gave me the clues I need to find sourcing. Thanks much. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I'm impressed! Thank you for adding to my efforts. I got part of the way there and got confused by the other multiple spellings, and I believe I even found a film studio by the same name too before I gave up. But you definitely cleaned it up to a state where I think it's good enough for wiki, and I said so in the AfD. Raven1977 (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It was definitely confusing with the multiple spellings... I found a production company, a temple, and even a plastics company. Thanks for the vote of confidence. - Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 16:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Ravedactyl: Project Evolution

Well... I was able to source the assetion. And I gave the article a facelift as well. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI, the cite link for the film fest award, goes to the main page of the film festival for me, nothing about an award. You might want to double-check that URL. The rest of the article looks good though. Raven1977 (talk) 03:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

(chuckle}, I've had lots of experiences with festival sites. This one is Flash based, so there is no direct link to the page. However, at THIS link, on the left click "Awards", and then click "Past Awards", then scroll down to "New York - april 2003", then scroll down to "SHORT FILM CATEGORY". Its there. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

PS: I hate Flash for just that reason. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm a digger, that's for sure. (grin). Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

A-ha! I see it now, and I fixed the link in the article for you. Here's how I did it, just FYI: When I got to the page that said April, 2003, I right-clicked on the link to it, and selected copy link location. That allowed me to get the real link that the stupid flash stuff wouldn't allow us to see normally, and I used that link for the citation. It seems to work properly. Thanks for the heads-up, by the way, I looked for like 10 minutes for the source, but whatever, I'm just glad you found it! Raven1977 (talk) 03:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You are "Da Bomb"~ Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ha, thanks. I find it fun to try to save the obscure article topics such as this one. Especially when there's a claim of notability that should be easily found. You did the major work on this one though; I just had the tech knowledge to get past the stupid Flash and make the links behave properly. Raven1977 (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh, but now I know the sercet as well (chuckle), Thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Missingno. AFD

Are you positive Missingno. has been through AFD? I was unable to find it. Pagrashtak 21:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply is at your talk page here. Raven1977 (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the protection log references an AFD, but not for that particular article. As far as I can tell, a similar article was put up for AFD, it closed as merge, and a few other articles were merged along with it per common sense. I didn't think that would cause a PROD problem. Pagrashtak 22:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I read the logs wrong then. Sorry for the trouble, feel free to put the 'proposed deletion' back on, I won't contest it. Raven1977 (talk) 22:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

hello

How must a place the time of a song behind that song This is new for me

blackcat6305 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackcat6305 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, looking at what you are attempting to do, I changed the formatting on a couple of the songs, to show you how I would attempt to make it look a little better. You can look here to see what I changed, I did that after looking at another album, Ghost_(soundtrack), and seeing that was the seemingly approved formatting. You could also search for other album articles, and see how other editors format that, as well. The Wikipedia:Sandbox is also a good place to play around with formatting, to see how things look before changing something else on article space. Raven1977 (talk) 02:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hi, I want to ask you. How to become a administrator like you? You just saw what I did. Are you a "bot" or is really a person that is working. I mean is the process automated?

I am interested to become like you. Can you help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.187.43.5 (talk) 05:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Are you there???—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.187.43.5 (talk • contribs)

I'm not an administrator. Any user can go to various logs and see what has been recently done to the site, one such log can be found here: Special:RecentChanges. If you want to become an administrator here eventually, though, the first step is registering, and contributing to the site via either expanding existing articles or creating new articles that meet notability criteria. Here's a link to a few basic rules of the site that will get you started, including how to create a new article. Oh but step #1, please remember to sign all your posts, by putting four "tildes" (these:~ at the end of them, that way people know who "you" are. Raven1977 (talk) 05:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

So you are a bot??? 210.187.43.5 (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No, not a bot. You saw a bot come by and sign your posts for you though. That was sinebot. Raven1977 (talk) 05:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

oic

Oh I see...

So did you get paid for what you had done? I mean like you edit and make changes.

I am a student, if this can make money I want to try too! It is good to learn and get money!

What is a sinebot? Is there any other bot?

What is twinkle? Is a bot too?

By the way, I am a programmer.

Here, I sign my tildes so you can know me. I put here 4 tildes ya. "210.187.43.5 (talk) 05:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)"

• No, editing on wikipedia is volunteer only. I do it because I enjoy adding information that is reliable to the encyclopedia everyone can edit.
• I honestly don't know how many bots there are, but Sinebot is one of the most common to see, as it patrols recent edits and adds people's signatures to their posts when they forget. If you do a search here on Wikipedia for Sinebot you might find more information as to how it works, etc, I confess all I know is that it exists and what it does.
• Twinkle is a tool to help patrollers like myself to do various jobs like welcome people who are contributing to the site, warning people who add incorrect information or vandalism to the site, and many other kinds of things. More info about Twinkle can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle
• As you're a programmer, I bet you could offer a lot to this site, in the way of helping add good info to pages in your area of expertise. Check out the links I posted on your talk page, they'll help you get started!

And finally, although I'm glad to answer any questions you have, I also want to point you to this page, which has a great amount of resources for questions I don't know the answer to: Wikipedia:Questions. There are a lot of other people more knowledgeable than me, and other resources that can answer any questions I can't. But as I said, if I can help answer anything, please feel free to ping me here again. I'll be glad to attempt to help. Raven1977 (talk) 05:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

wow

wah, you are so good leh.

Thank you for your help. I heard my fren say that if I want to praise a person in wikipedia, I can give him some sort of badges or barkster(correct me if I am wrong)? I would like to give you one. Can I? 210.187.43.5 (talk) 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to help a new user out who wants to contribute to the Wiki. The awards are called barnstars, (search for the term, I don't know where they are) but it's really not necessary. Enough thanks for me will be if you contribute positively to Wikipedia, because I have a feeling you're more than capable of doing so. And again, feel free to ping me if you have any questions along the way. I'm signing off for tonight by the way, but I'll answer any further questions (if you have any) tomorrow. Raven1977 (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Prod from B.o.B

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from B.o.B., which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! 86.44.21.224 (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Category changes for opera companies

Hi, could you please join the discussion at the Opera Project talk page re the major changes that you've made to the category system for opera companies. Voceditenore (talk) 06:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Prairie Lights

Thanks for finding the references; as you can see in my nomination, I tried to find sources but couldn't. Because WP:SK says that articles shouldn't be speedy closed if others than the nom have called for deletion, I guess we'll have to let it run its course, but I think (1) your addition of sources, and (2) my turning to support keeping the article will be sufficient to let it stand. Nyttend (talk) 02:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad the sources I found changed your mind about the issue. I did have to go through about 20 pages of the google search to find them, scrolling through massive amounts of press releases, so I'm not surprised you had difficulty finding what I did. I agree with you that since others have agreed with deletion, the discussion needs to run its course. We'll just have to hope the sources I did find are enough to at least convince whoever closes the discussion that the article topic is notable. Raven1977 (talk) 03:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

JJS Karate Dojo

I'm very much glad that you offer your expertise and ideas so that my article can survived. For now, I included 3 reliable sources like Visayan Daily Star and Sun Star Bacolod Newspapers and also Philippine Karatedo Fedearation website. It would be a great help if you could please sometime visit my article JJS Karate Dojo and improve/do some changes or somehow help to save my article from deletion. Looking forward for you assisstance. Thankz a lot and more power!! (Jjskarate (talk) 05:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC))

batch nom for river city

Some comments--we need some way of proceeding in a reasonable fashion. First, it's not that we cant have batch noms, its more that they should be smaller and more uniform batches--some people think importance of the character is relevant, and, even if you do not, then it would help to acommodate them--you are more likely to succeed. When guidelines are disputed, the decision on which one applies is made by consensus here. The applicability of the GNG to fiction is as disputed as thefiction guideline--and, not surprisingly, for the same basic reasons.

Now, If you are saying that you really want a redirect, but think you might be reverted, you are correct, because there will be people--perhaps myself--who will revert any such bold redirect--and the course after that is discussion. You shouldnt use afd to avoid the discussion part of BRD. Perhaps after discussion the redirect swill stick after all. But I think there's a more constructive method that will lead to a compromise so we don't have to fight this one out indefinitely-- if you suggst a reasonable merge it will be more likely to stick than an redirect. In particular, if you propose a merge of say two paragraphs on each character to a combination article, I will support it very strongly. I don';t want to do it myself, because I've never seen the series & I'd be more likely to make a mistake. Besides, I hate soap opera as a genre altogether :). DGG (talk) 04:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate the response. I was just a little aggravated, because I noticed the page at AfD for batch noms, and I thought that was the way to go, and after that absurd amount of work, (I avoided using Twinkle because I didn't want to barrage the article's authors with double-digit templated announcements of their articles at AfD), I got people saying that it was the wrong way to do it, and nobody wanted to discuss the topic of the discussion (except for you).

I don't have any major issue with fictional character articles, by the way, as long as they're somewhat well-sourced. Heck, I usually look the other way on primary sourced-articles on fictional topics, as long as they're sourced well and have neutral POV. But I came across one of these character's articles while doing new page patrol, and when I realized that had major notability and sourcing issues (among other issues), I had the brilliant idea of checking the others. When I saw they were all like that, I figured I'd take them to AfD. I do understand people's disinterest in dealing with such a large batch of articles, given how much work it was for me to put the discussion all together properly.

So now for practical matters. How should I go about proposing a merge? I assume the articles for deletion discussion will be closed soon, as that's how the discussion was leaning. Should I just choose one article at a time and do a merger proposal template on those pages, followed by discussion on the talk page of the article? Or is there a merger discussion forum somewhere on Wikipedia that would be better for this type of discussion? Thanks again for taking the time to leave me a message and respond to my questions though, I really appreciate it. Raven1977 (talk) 05:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Your instinct to try to do this once and for all, and not piecemeal, is a good one--and it sometimes does seem here as if no matter what one tries, someone will object. There is no formal central place for discussing mergers, just a place for notifying people about them--that is very little used, partly because there are simply too many places to watch--See WP:MERGE and WP:PM. (I've been trying to think for sometime how to do this better, but havent found anything yet). The way to do it would be to start or find the page you want to use, put in a heading, and then add the mergefrom and mergeto tags. This will centralize discussion on the page to take the merges. The problem will then arise of a rather total disagreement about just how much to merge--the material on most of these pages is somewhat excessive by any rational standpoint. Are you prepared to do the work of trimming them down to a reasonable size yourself? If so, say you are, see if you have support, and then do it. Do you actually know the series, by the way? My guess is that in the appropriate Irish equivalents of TV Guide and Soap Opera Digest, there will be sources--it would help to find someone here who has access and cares. for now, you might want to say at the Afd that you're withdrawing it and will propose a merge. Let me know when ready. DGG (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I've withdrawn my nomination at AfD. I don't in fact know anything about the series, so given your advice I think the first thing I'll do is a little extra research on the series and characters to try to figure out who are the major characters, and who are the minor ones. I'm unfamiliar with this soap opera, but I'm familiar with others and I know that there are occasions an actor/actress on soaps can get their character's portrayals/storylines talked about in the media. So if I can find any examples of such (and I might bring this up on a talk page of an article or two, as well as the soap opera wikiproject, to see if anyone else is up for updating an article or two in that effort), those would be articles that would arguably satisfy notability criteria and be worth a separate article. The more minor/less discussed characters are the ones where I would suggest/discuss merges. I am willing to do the work of merging myself, though I would accept and hopefully get input on what is worth merging about each character.
Hopefully with this tactic, the whole merge idea will be less controversial, given that I'm willing to compromise on some characters. It will probably be at least another day or two, given that, before I pursue any merger discussions. But I'll let you know when that occurs. Thanks again for your offer of help and advice in the matter. Raven1977 (talk) 23:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

I'm wondering. Can you even replace a PROD with a SD even when the article is too old to have SD? Just curious... --Taylor Karras (talk) 03:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The criteria is more often used on newly created pages, but I don't think the criteria is not allowed to be used on older pages. There's nothing on the page for WP:CSD that mentions an "age limit" anyway. Raven1977 (talk) 03:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought there would of been an age limit for when articles can be tagged as Speedy Deltion.. --Taylor Karras (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Home of Angels

Its a little better now, having found several reliable sources and expanded the article. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 09:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm impressed, and have changed my stance to keep in the deletion discussion. Raven1977 (talk) 18:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks. I was only hoping for input on how to further strengthen notability. Your "keep" is a terrific validation of my efforts. Be good and have great holiday! - Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I had looked myself for some press about the movie; because considering the cast, I thought there had to be something out there. I'm glad you managed to find evidence of that one, because considering it's an older movie, there most likely were others once upon a time, that we just can't find now. And that evidence was enough to make me lean toward a keep. Good job, by the way, and have a great holiday yourself. Raven1977 (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Citing IMDB

Apparently only a few editors involved themselves in creating the "consensus" that now affects the rest of Wiki. WIki is not a vote, and personal opinion should not take precedent over policy and guideline. IMDB is fine for verifying facts because it DOES fall within guideline, and the few who decided for the rest of us do not show any evidence to support otherwise. Using it will cause many more articles brought to AfD, DRV, and arbitration, but that will ultimately improve Wiki as a true consensus is finally reached. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 18:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Wilson the Volleyball

Happy Thanksgiving... and if you want to see the result of a LOT of work, check out Wilson the Volleyball. What an amazing "character". Regards, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, and I hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving too. As for Wilson, I must say, who would've thought a character that consisted of an inanimate object would've gotten so much press? Good job saving the article though; it's a perfect example of what a good article on a fictional character should look like, in my opinion. Raven1977 (talk) 22:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Just learned as the result of you note that it was a non consensus keep. I may have steered the article in the right direction, and found many missing sources, but I am grateful to the others who came forward and made it beautiful. Great day! Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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Richie Rich

Sorry Some Of His Albums Didnt Chart Either That Or There's No Info On That Please Don't Delete The Album Page —Preceding unsigned comment added by The4's (talk • contribs) 00:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I did not delete those articles, I merely redirected them to the article for the artist, which is the appropriate way to handle album articles that are not sufficiently notable for articles on Wikipedia. Please see the guidelines posted under Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Albums.2C_singles_and_songs. Especially, see the line "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting." Those albums which have not charted or do not have sufficient coverage in reliable sources do not in fact have sufficient notability for their own articles, because they previously had little info other than a track list, so they should be redirected to the article Richie Rich (rapper). They are mentioned in the article for Richie Rich (rapper), and if you really think the track listings are important, please feel free to include them in the Richie Rich (rapper) article, where their album names are already noted. (Also please remember to sign any comments you make on talk pages with four tildes, like so ~~~~; that way people know to whom they should be directing replies to you.) Thanks. Raven1977 (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Again I Replied On This Page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nixon_Pryor_Roundtree ~~~~The 4's (talk)

canusa games

dearest raven,

I just wanted to let you konw that I appreciate all of the resaearch that you did to keep my page alive. I searched for canusa games a week or so ago, nothing showed, so i created, and it was up for deletion within 2 hours. no "secondary sources" showed, (whatever those are), and now thanks to you and erik my page will stay.

thank you,

Jimwilcox79 (talk) 02:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)jimwilcox79

Glad to know I was of assistance to you! Raven1977 (talk) 02:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair City characters

Hi Raven, I just have a question about the merger we are doing on Fair City characters. Is there some special way to merge a page or do we just rewrite material under each character? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Cutekitten05 (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

There's no tried and true "rules" for a merge. Usually, you just copy what info you want into a new page, and then when you're happy with the info, you can redirect the prior page to the new page. But given that the separate character pages were pretty long, I've been trying to rewrite the info in a shorter form, still providing what seems to be the most important stuff about each character. I've been using info I've found on the RTE website too, in some cases, where the info on the character pages aren't quite clear to me. The most important thing I think is to keep the descriptions short; Admin DGG had suggested 2-3 paragraphs per character, but I think for major characters we could stretch that to five paragraphs if we have to. I trust your opinion on what's important to include for each character of course, as you're familiar with the show and I'm not. So if there's anything I haven't put in about a character that needs to be included, please put it in. I've been really glad to see your edits to the list page, I really appreciate your help with this. Raven1977 (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Raven. For someone who does not watch Fair City, you sure make good contributions to it. Cutekitten05 (talk) 17:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Crutch (film)

Nice find for the New York Times article! 22:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that IMDB has started to provide links to external reviews more often lately. On a hunch I checked to see whether they had one for Crutch, and sure enough they did. Even though it's been declared not a "reliable source" it sure is becoming a better way to find reliable sources. Raven1977 (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, you did a very nice job yourself with adding sources and expanding the article. Raven1977 (talk) 22:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Randy Mengullo

• Really need your help

the wikipedia about Randy Mengullo was redirected to Jack and Jill School fo lack of notability but very happy to inform you that article "Life Lessons from Karate" article of sensei Randy Mengullo was published yesterday in Sunday Inquirer Magazine, one of the leading national newspaper in the country. Kindy help me make this a reference accepted to retain or pass the notability... THANK YOU SO MUCH in advance!!! http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/sim/sim/view/20081214-177923/Life-Lessons-from-Karate Jjskarate (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Benedykta Mackielo

The Benedykta Mackieło is good, but short.

Can you write someting to the article???? --Tamás Kádár (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I did no editing of this article, perhaps you saw my name on the deletion discussion, but I have not been involved at all in editing the article itself. I know nothing about the topic, so I'm afraid I can't assist with the editing either. If you wish to get in contact with editors of the article, see [the history page of the article] to find those names.

Also, please remember to comment on people's Talk pages (the "Discussion" tab if you reach their user page), not their user pages. I moved this comment of yours over from my user page, but it was only coincidence that I saw it at all. Raven1977 (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

OK.--Tamás Kádár (talk) 14:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Boys Club

Hi, I made a page about a movie that is going to be made ("The Boys Club), but you deleted it and I'm not sure why? I referenced everything, and wrote/cross-referenced it myself so I'm not sure why it was taken down! Hope you can advise. Thanks Carmine1972 (talk) 20:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the confusion caused. Firstly, I personally didn't delete it. I asked an administrator to review it because the article had recently been deleted for failing notability requirements for future films, and then was recreated - in those instances its eligible for "Speedy deletion", because the community has already debated whether the topic is notable enough for Wikipedia. In this article's case, it's simply been decided that it's too soon for this article to exist yet, as it's for a future film that hasn't yet started principle photography. You can see the deletion log here: [1], you can also read through the prior deletion discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Boys Club. The relevant policy for notability of films is here: Wikipedia:NFF#Future films.2C incomplete films.2C and undistributed films. As an aside, you did put some commendable work into the article as for references and the like, but it simply is too early for an article about this film as of yet, because there's really not much to say about it right now.

If you would like a copy of the article, you can contact administrator SoWhy at his/her talk page here: User talk:SoWhy. If you request that the article be "userfied", it will be put into a subpage of your Userpage, so that you can continue to work on it. Once the film has been verified as starting shooting, you are more than welcome to place it back into Wikipedia space.

If you have any additional questions about this or anything else, please feel free to contact me. I know the various policies can get confusing at times, in particular the deletion policies can be hard to understand at first; I hope you'll stick around though and continue to edit! Raven1977 (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Cusco Compilations

If you have an issue with relevance in band articles, you should go to the discussion page before unilaterally deleting every page yourself. The sources likely can be found, and just weren't gotten to yet. The actual importance lies in the track listing information itself. It's of interest to those who want to know more about the band, and it's going to take quite a while to fix all of these pages again.

MXVN (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

They're not deleted; simply click "Undo" if you wish do revert the change. All I did was redirect them to the Artist's article, which is very commonly done with album articles that show no notability. But feel free to revert the changes, if you can source them properly. And please see notability criteria, especially the section for albums, because if I (or someone else) feels they still don't meet notability criteria, they might be nominated for deletion. Raven1977 (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, on many of these, I can do that, and trust me, I am indeed working on the article sourcing. We'll probably both agree that we don't want a bunch of unfounded opinion pages out there claiming to be encyclopedic. :) On the others, they needed work anyway, so I'll work on general rewrites as soon as I can. Maybe someone else will do it first, I don't know.

MXVN (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, please stop calling my reverts vandalism in your edit commentary. Something that is explained with a detailed edit summary and also is common practice for non-notable albums is not vandalism. Thanks. Raven1977 (talk) 00:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, fair enough; perhaps that wording is indeed strong, as you obviously were not trying to actually vandalize aything. I did feel that, although more sources is desired, a lot of inportant information was removed in the process, and I didn't want to get in "trouble" for breaking the 3-revert "rule" without just cause. I apologize if it was offensive. MXVN (talk) 00:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your apology. Feel free to just use an edit summary that you intend to improve the article, that should suffice as an explanation. I don't intend to revert your actions, so there's no need to worry about 3 revert rule breaking. I'll give you a few months to fix the articles; as long as I know someone's willing to improve an article, I'm always willing to give the time for that. Just FYI, I am also adding sourcing/reviews to the albums, where I can find that information to add. Raven1977 (talk) 01:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Donte J 01/05/09 (Dontej05 (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC))

Yes I Just Created A Page For Donte J And I Was Wandering Why You Think It Should Be Deleted So I Can Fix The Problem

You need to look over criteria for notability for musicians: Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, as all musician's biographies need to meet at least one criteria stated in that list. And it doesn't appear that Donte J meets any of them yet. While he's an up and coming musician, he has not had a tour, released at least two albums, had any charted hits, or had any major coverage in reliable sources as of yet. Also, if this is an autobiography, as your name seems to indicate, you need to look over the conflict of interest guidelines, as it is generally not encouraged for people to substantially work on their own Wikipedia page. Of use to you might be the other links that I placed on your talk page, regarding editing in general. Please try to remember as well to sign your comments on talk pages at the end of your comments, by placing four tildes (~~~~) after your comments. Raven1977 (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually This Is His Management & He Has Coverage In Skope Magazine Which Has An Article On Here And Also on There Radio Programing So That Should Cover The At Least 1 Criteria Met But I Understand What I Need To Know And Will See To It The Problems Fixed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontej05 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Skope magazine is indeed a reliable source, but there needs to be multiple reliable sources. As for radio coverage, he needs national radio coverage per criteria #11. If you can source that that indeed has happened, then that would definitely meet notability. I have sent the article to articles for deletion, but if the sources improve, or notability is shown within the 5 days for discussion, I will withdraw my nomination. Raven1977 (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Appreciate It —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dontej05 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Cascada compilation (remix) albums

You redirected the Cascada compilations albums to the main discography and gave reason that you can't find any charting history or professional reviews....but since when does an album need a professional review or a chart trail to qualify as encyclopedic (wiki) material? Moreover these albums are mass market releases, but more importantly, they are by a very notable artist extensively covered on wiki. Therefore the artist's complete discography is relevant, even though a particular release did not manage to chart (due to poor marketing or whatever other reason). Charting and professional reviews are not criteria to judge qualification of an album article, especially when the album is by a very notable artist and distributed in the mass market. Imperatore (talk) 03:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, please see notability of albums, which can be found here: Wikipedia: Notability_(music)#Albums.2C_singles_and_songs, especially the following quote "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." Note the qualifier "may". See also the rest of the section which requires coverage in reliable secondary sources. It's a pretty long-standing custom that articles for albums which can't provide either some amount of coverage in reliable sources, i.e. professional reviews or charting history, have been redirected, and I've seen many a discussion at AfD where the redirect to either a discography or the artist article is upheld, when album articles can't provide any notability. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 05:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I kind of see what you mean about reliable secondary sources. I'm afraid that this whole professional review criteria for judging notability would work against non-mainstream/not-so-commercial music releases, since I would assume that most of the professional music sources used here on wiki are geared toward servicing more commercial releases. In the case of Waterfall it has sold hundreds of thousands of copies as justified by its amazon.com sales rank and other on retailers and it is readily available on most retail music shelves as a mainstream release. Even though I understand that this does not justify its notability, it is an indicator that it is somehow important to the artist. As for the other remix album released in Singapore, it might very well be a notable release in that market, however as a contributor to its page I Do not know any of the tongues spoken in Singapore to perform the necessary search for professional reviews or other sources. Moreover I agree that they are probably not the most "notable" releases but I believe that more research is needed should a professional review turn up. I also think it merits some wiki user and admin input on its talk page before it is outright deleted and redirected. Imperatore (talk) 05:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree it's difficult to find sources for European releases and even moreso for Asian releases. Tell you what, I'll just put a couple tags on the articles for the issues that I see with them, but I won't redirect them again. I'm willing to give it a few weeks, to see if anyone might happen to find sources to add to the articles. If you can find anything as to their sales numbers, even if it's from the band's own website, I'd consider that a good start, by the way. I looked on Billboard and did a Google search before I redirected them, but I'll give it another search and see if I have better luck a second time around. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 06:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

If these Cascada pages get deleted, a popular global eurodance artist, it'll be strange to see this because as a English wiki user who is committed to developing pages on Greek popular discographies (which have been challenged from time to time for their notability- so I've heard), it'll be unbelievable to see Cascada's remix albums get deleted and CD single pages about Anna Vissi, for example, stay intact lol. Imperatore (talk) 06:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's one of the downsides of Wikipedia, I guess. There are probably quite a lot of non-notable articles, but they're only dealt with once someone realizes that A) they exist, and B) they're not encyclopedic/notable. I looked at a few of those singles, and if they were performed on a TV show, that's a claim for notability, even though those claims need to be cited. However, for any others that make no claim of notability/have no sources, they should definitely be redirected (as a first step) if no sources are found, or brought to a deletion discussion if redirection is contested without any improvements made to prove notability. Just because things are on Wikipedia, it doesn't mean they necessarily are notable enough to be here, it just means nobody's cared enough to figure out whether they should be here. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 06:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I agree that notability is an issue here on wiki. As for album pages, I always operated with the rule of thumb that if the artist is notable, then so are their releases (especially studio albums). But now you've got me thinking about notability, even though it has always been at the back of my mind and it suited me to repress my curiosity and concerns since nobody really cares to challenge notability of articles, as you pointed out. Imperatore (talk) 06:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Well I'm glad I got you to understand where I'm coming from, at least. As I said before, though, I'll leave those two album articles in the hope that someone can make improvements to them. It's not hurting anything to leave them be; as I've seen mentioned before, Wikipedia is not paper. Have a good day or evening, depending on your timezone. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 06:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Grassi

Could you please consider removing the delete from your vote and go for a full redirect? Articles tend to be recreated when people can't find what they're looking for immediately when they type in a name, so redirecting this to the Mole saves everyone, readers and editors, a lot of time.- Mgm|^(talk) 13:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I was okay with either/or, really. So yes, I've struck the delete part of my vote. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 20:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

perhaps you should have checked

Please see this Afd for an article you worked on when you were new here. You were in the best position to catch it when you wikified 3 months ago. I think you have more experience now, and would catch something like this if you came across it now. DGG (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect, please look at my contribs and you'll see that I joined Wikipedia on October 1, 2008. I never edited as an IP, so what you see under my username is literally my initial foray into Wikipedia. Three days later, I wikified the article. The first few weeks, that's all I felt comfortable doing, as well as a bit of maintenance tagging, or categorizing. The gnome-like stuff, in other words. I have no memory of the article, but in skimming through it, it looks plausible but badly written, so I don't think it's blatant vandalism or hoax. I might not have even thought it was such now, to be honest with you. But really, given my newness at the time, I don't think it's fair to say, "I should have checked" whether the article was a hoax or not, given my lack of experience. We all have to start somewhere and I think I've done the best I can, as well as learned a lot in a short three months. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 00:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I do take your overall point under consideration, however, that all of us should be more active in seeking out hoaxes. It is indeed a real problem around here, but I think this article is a good example of the "not so blatant" hoax that can stick around for a long time, because to the layman, it seems plausible. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 01:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The key to this is the sexual part in the 3rd paragraph and following. 90% of the time that indicates someone playing games with us. And I did not make an unfriendly comment at the afd. DGG (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but if you look at the history of the article, that paragraph wasn't added until a month ago. Without that part, it just looked like a badly written article but plausible, so I figured I'd give the author someone else time to tidy it up. And I didn't take your comment here or at the AFD as unfriendly, by the way, I just wanted to explain that back then, I really didn't pay as much attention to article content itself, I just enjoyed doing the mundane maintenance type of stuff. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 07:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The Greatest Pharaohs

Did some cleanup and major sourcing to show the film as part of the criculum and many major colleges and iniversities. I think that despite the lack of "critical" reviews (its an educational documentary after all), it now meets WP:NF. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I did have some question as to whether the article was correct, as I mentioned in my comment that I found more regarding an A&E documentary than a history channel documentary. But given the rather common title, I just didn't have the patience to go any further in researching it. I'm very impressed that you managed to find what you did; you're far more persistent and patient than I can manage to be most of the time. Good job! Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 06:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It was fun to do. My clues were in the article asserting the length, the 4 parts, and the narrator. Everything else just fell into place. And (blush) thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's what probably what led to the confusion in the original article: The same production companies create many of the documentaries for A&E, History Channel, TLC, Discovery, etc. And History Channel DID have a 10-part documentary series in 1996, consisting of the seperate titles The Greatest Pharaohs: Part 1 - 3150 B.C. - 1351 B.C., The Greatest Pharaohs: Part 2 - 1350 B.C. - 30 B.C., The Great Sphinx, Tombs Of The Gods / The Pyramids Of Giza, The Great Builders Of Egypt, King Ramses II, The Library Of Alexandria, and The Rosetta Stone... now sold in an 8-disk box set. So with the 4-part A&E series now being sold online through the History Channel Store, I can see how an editor might get a wrong idea. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 12:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Leon Jackson

Hi Raven1977!

Thanks for your message, that makes a lot of sense. The anon IP editor is, I believe, merely the latest sock puppet of an indefinitely blocked user - the editor has a fairly consistent editing style, and edits a limited range of topics - and I tend to simply revert and ignore. Unfortunately this means sometimes legitimate edits get reverted too.

Thanks again, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 17:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Ho ho! This is fairly typical for this editor. Oh well, it makes sense, like you said.

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 09:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again! In case you hadn't realised, I'm fairly sure that Flyingmonkeyswithparis is a sock of the "Opal Telecom DSL" anonymous IPs we've seen recently. The sock master occasionally registers accounts; they get indefinitely blocked fairly quickly. I've filed a checkuser request. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 21:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. I did see the banner you'd put on their talk page, but I thought I'd try to explain my reasoning anyway. As you said the other day, you've been one of the only ones trying to get through to them, so I thought I might add my voice to the efforts in explaining why certain things keep getting removed. I know it's a long shot, but I figured it was worth a try, anyway. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 21:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ha! I'm an idiot, I forgot I'd tagged them! Good point, keep up the good work, and ignore my redundant ramblings ;-) Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 21:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Andres Rivera (Singer)

Can you please give me one good reason Andres Rivera (Singer) Has been deleted multiple times i am andres rivera's Manager! email me Loz_burros1@yahoo.com there is no reason why dont u delete shawn Rivera he's a singer too!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loz burros123 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

(replied on user's talk page. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 21:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC))

WP:FICT

I think we may have made some of the clarifications you were looking for here. Would you mind revisiting your opposition to the proposal? I will leave this page watchlisted, no need for a talkback message. Protonk (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm much happier with the guideline, and have indicated my support at the RFC section [2]. Thanks for letting me know about the changes made, I appreciate it. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 14:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. thanks for revisiting your position. Protonk (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

MachoMadness

Hi Raven, thanks for your message.

The site is officially endoresed by Randy and has been set up by myself via his brother Lanny Poffo (The Genius).

I have had full endoresment from Randy, Lanny and family and thought it would be a good addition to Wikipedia.

If you look at the Macho Man (about) page you can see the commentary is edited by Lanny Poffo.

Is there no way I can list it?

Kind regards

Stephen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Machomadness (talk • contribs) 19:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Honky Tonk Man Link

Hi Raven, I was wondering if you could help me.

I've updated the Macho Man link, thanks so much and sorry for the confusion over that.

I'm doing a new official website for The Honky Tonk Man www.honkytonkman.net

He doesn't use his .com anymore and wanted the link updating for the sites launch this Friday.

As you can see the .com doesn't go to a very nice page about him.

I've updated the link twice now but both times it seems to revert back the original?

I put that it's official etc.. Can you give me any help and advise?

Honky would like his new page on there and the old link removed.

Kind regards

Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by Machomadness (talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Link reverted

Hi Raven, Honkys link has reverted again, any advice on why it is doing this?

Steve

• If you look at the History tab of the article, you can see that a couple of editors have changed the link back. However, since they're not using edit summaries to explain their actions, it's acceptable to change the link back yet again, which is what I've done. Don't worry too much about it, it's probably someone (or several someones) messing around. They'll get tired of the game eventually. (Also, when you leave messages on talk pages, please use four tildes (like so: ~~~~ ) to sign your comments, so people know who left the message. Thanks!) Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 23:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you my friend, I let Honky know the help you're giving me it's greatly appreciated. I have no idea why people keep doing it though!

They've changed it back to the .com again :( Argh!

Steve

Machomadness (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Machomadness

• That's the same editor at the same IP address that did it yesterday. I tried to engage him/her on their talk page, but they didn't reply and seem to be determined to keep the less favorable website on the article. I've also left another stronger warning today, explaining that insulting websites do not belong on Wikipedia articles about people, and requesting that he or she refrain from adding it back.

• As to why they're doing it? Who knows, as I said before, it might be a kid messing around; it might be someone who owns that website (it seems to be owned by a radio station, at least that's what's indicated by following the only link on the website). All we can do is keep changing it back; if the reverting continues by this editor after a few more days, I will request temporary semi-protection of the article, at WP:RFPP, which would block IP editors from editing the article for a few days and maybe get the article back to stability. For now, though, we just have to keep an eye on it and restore the proper website, as I see you and another editor have done already today. As I said before I'll keep the article on my watchlist and help out with the effort, if I see the website changed back again. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 20:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

AFC

Welcome to WPAFC! Your first few reviews look great. Let me know if you have any questions about anything, and please join in discussions at WT:WPAFC. Cheers, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the welcome and the offer to assist in answering any future questions I might have about the project. It's nice to know that my first efforts there were appreciated. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 21:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Children in Bios

This is common, here are three random article that have been recently changed, Owen Hart has two kids, Rey has two kids and Batista is a granddad!. Triple H is not special apart from the fact that his children will inherit part of WWE. The mention of the nieces and nephews is because they are part of the McMahon family, and it is simply expanding on his family in the way that all the Anoi'a, Guerrero and Hart articles do. Darrenhusted (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• I replied on the article talk page. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 17:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Except that consensus has been to leave them in, and they are mentioned on every McMahon page. You need to gain consensus to remove them, not the other way around. If you look on the Stephanie McMahon page you will see that the weights of the children are also mentioned and sourced. Darrenhusted (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• Again, I'm talking about this at the article talk page, to try to keep things in one spot. Please continue discussion there, I've got that page watchlisted and would like to keep it there. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 18:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Triple H's kids

What seems to be the problem? Raaggio 23:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• My concerns are not regarding his kids, they're regarding naming his nephews and nieces, who are minor children, not celebrities, and I feel their privacy should be respected as knowing their names isn't important to understanding him and his wrestling history. I've explained further on the Talk page, on this section. Your input there would be quite welcome, thanks, Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 16:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Joe James A.C

Hello, what exactly was your rationale for putting this on hold? It seems this is quite applicable for a decline, seeing as there are no sources other than his own profile on a website and there's no asserted notability, and a google search pulls up no coverage. Regards, ^FingersOn_Roids 00:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Same with Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Love Me 'Do. ^FingersOn_Roids 00:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• • Well, given this discussion on the project talk page, the answer seems to be it's a subjective thing as to whether to decline or hold. And personally, I feel it is appropriate to err on the side of not biting new editors; if something's not blatant silliness, then why not hold it, and provide a 24 hour window to fix something, rather than just declining it immediately? Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 16:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, during the afc nom process, it states repeatedly that all nominations need third party , sources to show that it deserves inclusion, so I wouldn't think that would be bitey, because it already warns in the guidelines that nominations without sources will probably be declined. Also, editors can nominate articles as many times as they want, so if they have sources that they can add, then they can just resubmit it whenever they want to. My usual way of going about holding or declining is that through a google search I can't find any secondary coverage, and there are no sources in the article, I decline it, and say in the edit summary that they need to add sources. However, if the google search pulls up any evidence of notability, I err on the safe side and hold it and ask for sources. I guess it's a matter of preference, but I think during busy times it'd be best just to decline these types of articles to avoid a backlog of holds. Regards, ƒingers^on_Roids 21:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. I'm new to the AFC project, so perhaps I shouldn't have gone forward so gung-ho with it all. ;-) I definitely wasn't trying to contribute to a backlog, so I apologize if that's what I did. I wasn't aware how well the importance of third-party sources was stated to people who were submitting an article. However, after a few days of doing this, I see it is quite easy for people to re-submit an article after a decline (often with the same nomination, it seems), so I'll definitely use that option more often with lack of third-party sources/lack of stated notability. Thanks for the input, Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 21:08, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The Honky Tonk Man

Hi Raven,

Hope you are well my friend, I just wanted to say thank you, as does the Honky Tonk Man for all your help with sorting out the link. The official website has now been launched at honkytonkman.net

Machomadness (talk) 00:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)MachoMadness

• You're very welcome, although I was just doing what was right in light of the WP:BLP policy, I'm glad I was able to help. What finally calmed things down was my WP:RFPP request for page protection, hopefully the appropriate link will remain in place now. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 21:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films March 2009 Newsletter

The March 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Date autoformatting poll

Hi Raven, I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)s

Ernest Cooper

Re: your review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ernest Cooper

I used the wiki page for Gerald Butts [3] as a template. It would be very helpful if you could explain to me why the Butts content was accepted with similar refs, but the Cooper content wasn't. Cooper is an internationally known expert who has published a couple of books. Butts was a single term Chief of Staff (not politician, he was never elected to office) who is barely known outside (or even inside) of Ontario.

Any information you can give me would be appreciated as I will use it to improve upon my submission.

Thanks, AC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander charles (talk • contribs) 06:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I can't ignore the Wikipedia policies because other articles are not notable, I have to review your article alone, based on all Wikipedia policies, and in this case, I felt it didn't meet notability criteria. Please see that link, to see that the notability criteria entail, but to sum it up, the article needs to have more third-party sources about Cooper himself. There are primary sources for the article, which are okay for verifiability, but not for notability. Of the third-party sources, only one of them was extensively about the subject; the rest mentioned him very briefly. Given that, I don't think the article would survive a deletion discussion, so I can't move it to article space at this time. Please find more third-party sources that specifically talk about Cooper in an extensive matter, and even some sources which discuss/review his books or articles would help, as long as they're third-party. I hope this explanation helps, good luck. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 16:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Article Creation

Marion Adinolfi

Hello Raven,

I am writing the article for Marion Adinolfi. We would like to know what additional information is required for the article to be approved? Thanks, Yocasta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yocasta (talk • contribs) 15:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Raven,

We believe we have submitted more then enough information for this article to be approved. We were told to submit reviews of the novel and we did, we listed third party resources. Please let us know what do you need.

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yocasta (talk • contribs) 15:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

• Replied on the editor's talk page. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 17:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Could you please explain further...

Could you please explain this edit?

I see you tried to shoehorn several Arabic names into the European naming style -- where individuals inherit a surname from their father. Were you aware that Arabic names don't work that way? Geo Swan (talk) 04:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

In this edit, you tried to shoehorn an Arabic name into the European naming style -- even though I had reverted another such attempt only a few days earlier. Geo Swan (talk) 05:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the edit summary that includes "AWB", it means that it was actually Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser that suggested that, in the attempt to add the "listas" section to the template. I didn't know it was incorrect, so I let the tool do its thing. I'm no longer doing that task, so you aren't likely to see that from me again; feel free to remove any that were wrong. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 17:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a robot editing aid to help fix up when those who use robot editing tools leave a mess. Your contribution history shows that with the assistance of robot editing tools you made this change to about three articles per minute. My contribution history shows that, without having a robot-editing tool tailored for restoring articles fixing each one took me about five times as long. I am not happy about that.

Further, your contribution history shows you put inappropriate surname focussed listas parameters on several hundred other articles about individuals with Arabic names that night. Whose responsibility do you suggest it should be to restore those articles?

I am perplexed by your claims that it was actually AWB that was responsible. Other fans of robot editing have pointed out that they only added a "listas" field when the article already had an (incorrect) {{DEFAULTSORT}}. Can you see how this gives the appearance that the fault lies, at least partially, with the tool-user -- not the tool? Isn't the reason why the tool isn't totally automated is to make sure a human remained in the loop to provide sanity checking? Shouldn't the fact that you were reverting a change that I had explained in the edit summary have give you pause? Geo Swan (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

• • (Archived, at this point I have nothing further to say. I already apologized for the mistake.)

Nice work

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Hey cool, my first barnstar! Thanks so much, it's nice to know my efforts over there are appreciated. :-) Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 19:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Grissell article

I have added further secondary sources to the new article on Hartwell de la Garde Grissell. Please approve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hartwell Grissell (talk • contribs) 23:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• I don't have the time necessary to re-review it right now, but I have put it back in the "Pending" queue for you so that the other WP:AFC reviewers know that you wish it to be reviewed again. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 23:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Apology

If you check your edit history for this page you'll see I rolled back an edit - and promptly self-rolled back. Apologies for that; I was intending to click on your contribution link and hit rollback by mistake.

That'll teach me to be nosey ;-)

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 17:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No harm, no foul, as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty nosy myself, so no worries there. ;-) I appreciate the apology though. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 17:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Something in the Water (film)

Hi Raven, I'm new to wikipedia so I was wondering where to now that you've put the article on hold? Should I continue to add sources until guidelines are satisfied? There are more reliable secondary sources that I have come across but they are only printed.

Also does the film's inclusion in the National Film and Sound Archive fulfill notability requirements to any extent?

Should I also remove those unsuitable links you mentioned?

I am a moustache (talk) 00:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Just added new link for Chlamydia Is Not a Flower

Hello,

Just added a link to the interview by BroadwayWorld.com:

http://nashville.broadwayworld.com/article/BWW-Interviews-Womens-Work-2011-Lauren-Schmitzer-of-CHLAMYDIA-IS-NOT-A-FLOWER-20110518

I hope this helps.

Thanks,

Dave

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CLax speedy deletion tag

Hello Raven1977.

I am the creator of the CLax page. I was wondering why the page is being deleted? I am not trying to spam or advertise. CLax is a new start up lacrosse league in Canada and I wanted to start a page, much like the pages the NLL, NHL, etc have. I wasn't able to put much content up as I was just getting the details myself.

I would like to discuss this further.

Thank you,

Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLifeOfSteve (talk • contribs) 19:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Your notability template at Warner Bros. Studio Tour London

Hi Raven. No doubt about the need for additional refs, so your template there is quite correct, but the 'notability' template is, in my view, not useful. I don't think there will be much doubt about the notability of the article's subject, which will be on a par with The Wizarding World of Harry Potter in Orlando, Florida, but I did not want to remove the tag without consulting with you beforehand. I'll watchlist your page and await your thoughts on the subject. Thanks! Jusdafax 02:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

--Hi there. You're probably right. Go ahead and delete the notability tag if you want, it's probably fine as long as you or others can find some good sources. Raven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits} 14:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The article creator has added some refs but he is having problems with formatting and linking them. I'll keep an eye on this one and possibly lend a hand. Thanks for agreeing; the park itself is clearly Wikipedia-worthy, as I see it. Jusdafax 08:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ted Sundquist

As for Ted Sundquists wiki, it is his wiki and I am making the necessary edits from his personal experience since it is his history and wiki. I and he would appreciate it if the changes were left. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillian.Ricard (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Responded on your talk pageRaven1977^{Talk to me}_{My edits}

thanks, but he is not trying to own it, just make changes that seem logical since it is his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillian.Ricard (talk • contribs) 18:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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