User talk:Poeloq/Archive 1

RipIt4Me

Thank you!

User Goshbee deleted your db-band tag on their article without hangon

I noticed user User:Goshbee deleted your aptly put db-band tag on Airport City Shuffle without following wikipedia policy of a hang-on tag, nor entering any reason or discussion on the talk page. What is wiki policy on this type of reversion of speedy deletion without following hangon procedure?

Vote on DJ Breaker

Heya. Just a note, it looks like you accidentally overwrote my !vote on the above AfD when you inserted mine. Please be careful when you do this. I've since re-added mine, so no big issue - just be careful when editing. Cheers, --Dennisthe2 22:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

-Sorry about that! Poeloq 22:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

American High School

Hello. I just noticed that you change the redirect link that I had just modified. I had a discussion with the previous user who also made this change, and we agreed to insert a message at the top of the American High School (Fremont, California) to direct users to a disambiguation page about other schools with the name. We came the conclusion that the school in Fremont, California is far more notable and far more likely to be the target of a user's search. I appreciate your concern and immediate response to this change, but I believe it has been resolved and was satisfactory as per before you reverted the agreed upon redirect. --Thank You. Sukh17 ^{Talk | Contribs} 02:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

A couple of tips

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

Thanks for marking unsourced articles, and dating them correctly too. I do notice that there was in fact a web link that I think would do as a source at Da Jesus Book, but the previous editor had forgotten to include the <references/> tag. Also, the {{db-bio}} on Razak Omotoyossi was reasonable, but sometimes if something is extremely sketchy, using a search engine to confirm that the subject is a notable international football player would mean that adding stub templates or {{Uncategorized|{{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}}} is more appropriate.

Just sharing a few things I've found out while editing. Regards. --Cedders^tk 21:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: your edit to User:Instantnood

Hi - I've just reverted edit to Instantnood's user page. It is usually inappropriate to edit a user's userpage, unless they have given users permission to do so. Even then, to change a spelling from the correct spelling for that user's region to an incorrect spelling for that region is an extremely bad idea. Since Instantnood is from Hong kong, he spells travelling with two "l"s, as this is standard English in all countries except the USA, Canada, and one or two Caribbean countries. Grutness...wha? 04:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: FDP

Thanks for letting me know about your changes and no I didn't put libertarian back yet. However, I did add a few citations where the FDP is referred to as a libertarian party. I still don't know that I'm convinced that Right Wing is an appropriate term for them, but, please, continue the discussion, I think it's quite interesting.Nsfreeman 23:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, we will keep the discussion going! Poeloq 23:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sankt Georgen (Freiburg)

No problem, anything I'm not 100% sure on I don't do, I'm glad you appreciate the work done in stub sorting, I'm assuming I got the sorting correct? --NigelJ ^talk 12:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiehre

Thanks for volunteering to edit this new article -- PLEASE! I lived there for a while, and am fond of it, but my knowledge is shallow. DavidOaks 13:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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Wong dissertation

I don't have a copy, but you can get the dissertation from UMI (it probably costs about $40), or you can order it via Interlibrary Loan from your university or local library. It may be possible also to buy it as a digital download cheaper. Let me know if you need further info. Badagnani 17:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Copyright problems for Alexander Bonde

I created the page with one line of text and some other unregistered user has added the additional text (as you can see from the page history). Please direct any issues you have to them. Jared Preston 07:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Have a nice easter and happy editing! Jared Preston 10:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Db-product

I've fixed this template so it correctly lists products in the speedy deletion category. It was only placing boilerplate text, and wasn't categorising the article. exolon 12:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Worker's Stadium

Thank you for tagging the article. I appreciate your help! The problem seems to be, though, that if we tag all of the stadium articles in 2008 high importance, we'd probably have to do so for all the other years of the Olympics, Summer and Winter. Now, that's a lot of articles, not to mention all the other ones that are currently high quality. This would just make a big soup of questionable high quality articles that would be confusing to anyone who wanted to check out our assessment.

What I suggest you do, though, is perhaps state your claim at the Olympics WikiProject's talk page. There, you might be able to sort out the whole stadium thing with other users, if you have a proposition or are just looking for a suggestion. What I was thinking about doing about the stadium articles was calling all the important stadiums (like in 2008: Beijing National Stadium, BN Aquatics Center, and maybe a few others) either high or mid importance (probably closer to mid) and all others a step below that. This way, we have some sort of hierarchy of pages because obviously not all of them are at the same level.

So again, we at WP:OLYMPICS really appreciate the fact that you're trying to help out! I just think that there is a better solution out there, and I suggest you bring up the issue on the assessment page. Thanks! _└^Jared_┘^┌_talk^┐  12:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Second Hand Rose

Thank you. Had been meaning to do it myself but hadn't figured out how to do it as yet. Looking to expand that page anyway when I have time. InternationalHit2 17:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Photoshopping

Please do not blind revert the merge/redirect of the Photoshopping article. It was done with clear consensus, and the editor who had reverted the redirect before did so under the rationalization that it hadn't yet been fully mergedwhile admitted the consensus to do so. It has been fully merged now, so you have no reason whatsoever to revert the change. I don't know if you are just violating WP:AGF because I am using an anon account or what, but your revert was unjustifiable if you'd looked at the talk page. My edit comments also should have made the situation clear. Please take the time to check on what you are doing before making blind reverts. 216.165.158.7 18:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

There may be a clear consensus to merge but not to simply redirect, and that consensus is not necessarily as clear as you want it to seem. However, I am not going to get into a edit/reverting war with you and let it be. Have a nice a nice day, Poeloq 18:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you'd given it more than a couple of seconds before you reverted and had bothered to read the talk page you'd see that it was infact merged and not simply redirected... not that that should really make a difference, but even there your complaint has no merit. Please don't be so quick on the reverts, assume good faith, and take the time to look into what you are doing before doing it and things will go much smoother. You have a nice a nice day yourself. 216.165.158.7 18:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The rude message from 195.134.41.194

Hi!

Thanks for reverting that rude message! Actually, the IP belongs to my school in Norway (that's where i live), and some of the students there think its fun to vandalize. Again, thanks! Herman92 12:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

United Nations and simplified Chinese characters

The referenced source is faulty, the report that the United Nations will completely switch to simplified Chinese by 2008 was started by people in Taiwan in chain e-mails as part of a movement to use traditional Characters only. The United Nations has had official Chinese documents printed with simplified Chinese characters since 1971 when the People's Republic of China replaced the Republic of China's seat in the General Assembly. This is pretty much common sense, you can't find any document at the United Nations' website (http://www.un.org/) or find any document after 1971 that uses traditional Chinese. Cheers! --68.239.65.186 19:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The story began sometime ago from chained e-mails calling people to petition the United Nations' decision to end all issuance of traditional Chinese documents from 2008 onwards, which probably had something to do with a linguist from mainland China talking about the plight of traditional Chinese at a conference. This is not true, the United Nations ^{(see article)} had automatically switched all documents to simplified Chinese in 1971 when the Resolution was passed to replace the seat of the Republic of China with the People's Republic of China, from 1971 up to today, no member nor observer of the United Nations Organisation has traditional Chinese as its official script (the Republic of China on Taiwan is not a member nor an observer, Hong Kong and Macau are represented by the seat of the People's Republic of China). The United Nations Organisation is a neutral organisation, it does not take stances without discussions and the approval from its member states, nor will the organisation take any such stance concerning traditional or simplified Chinese. Its documents are translated into the official language of the member nations to respect the member nations, since no member nation uses traditional Chinese officially at the federal level, there is no need for a traditional Chinese version of the translated document. There were never a period between 1971 and 2008 in which officially translated documents co-existed in both simplified and traditional Chinese versions. Ask the UNO to show one officially translated document in traditional Chinese after 1971. Both of the cited sources are faulty. I don't believe that I need to cite a source on the simplified Chinese page to remove a faulty statement, because otherwise I would not know where to place the source. However if one wishes to add a statement about the chain e-mail and the faulty news reports that followed, or perhaps create a separate article about it, then I would be glad to provide sources. I read this story on a newspaper, translators at the UNO were asked about this news, and they have stated that the UNO has not made such a statement. Here is the Wikinews article in Chinese I'm afraid, it gives some sources at the bottom, I guess the story isn't covered well in English media, thus the confusion here. Similar to the organisation's decision to use Spain's Spanish orthography, UK's English orthography and Modern Standard Arabic. Cheers! --68.239.65.186 23:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

Thank you for your recent application to use AutoWikiBrowser. Regrettably, I have declined your request as you do not have 500 mainspace edits. You are welcome to apply again at a later time. Feel free to contact me with any questions, alphachimp 07:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I took your vandalism edits into consideration, but you are really new to Wikipedia. Sorry... alphachimp 07:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

TfD notice

You created {{db-product}}, and I've listed it for deletion at templates for deletion due ot its misleading nature, as products do not meet the A7 criteria. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me. I just voted myself: delete. I agree fully with your RfD. --Poeloq 14:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for being understanding, and don't sweat it - I've been here over two years and still make mistakes. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about this

Hi, I'm afraid I've listed Image:Hughgrant-wax.jpg at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. The problem is that it is a photo of a copyright thing, which puts restrictions on our use of it. Regards, Ben Aveling 21:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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Image:FDP logo.png

Hello, Poeloq. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:FDP logo.png) was found at the following location: User:Poeloq/WIP/FDP. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 03:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wahaha Danone joint venture

I just created this article on this very topical subject. The subject matter would make for a good featured article, so I am hoping to enlist your help to get it there qualitatively. Ohconfucius 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK NU

Hi, thanks for adding some noms to the next update. However, in future (this time, I guess it can be let slip), please do not, or at least try not to, chose you own article/s. Cordially, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, please be sure to select the oldest articles which don't have significant outstanding objections (ie. August 25 before August 28), and please be sure to fill in the credits section of T:DYK/N when you move a nomination to the next update page. Also, remove the nomination from T:TDYK once it's been moved, to avoid duplicating them up in multiple updates. Cheers, Daniel 08:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your recent RfA

I have closed your Request for Adminship early as unsuccessful - unfortunately it no longer had a chance of succeeding. You simply do not yet have enough experience of Wikpedia and especially of admin related areas. You could consider getting more active in areas such as deletion discussions or tagging articles for speedy deletion. You might also want to read up on WP:V and ensure that your mainspace contributions are sourced to a good a standard as knowledge of such policies is often looked for in admin candidates. I hope you will not be too put off and will continue contributing - your edits here are welcome and appreciated. WjBscribe 00:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Locomotive article conventions

I have started a naming convention discussion at Category talk:Chinese rolling stock. The style guide is (railway) (class) eg. "China Railways DF4"; it doesn't require the actual word "class" that you object to.

Please also note that articles should be placed in specific rather than general categories, e.g. Category:Chinese diesel locomotives rather than Category:Rail transport in the People's Republic of China. --QuantumEngineer 18:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Gwm-logo.jpg

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Aaron Pike

Greetings! Something seems to have gone wrong with your nomination of Aaron Pike for AfD. The discussion page doesn't seem to be up. Cheers. ---- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Click here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Pike, put this {{subst:afd2 | pg=Aaron Pike | cat=B| text=Reason the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ in the text area , enter your 'reason the page should be deleted', put 'Creating deletion discussion page for [[Aaron Pike]]' in the summary and save page. That should do it (I think!). ---- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that did it! ---- Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Gwm-logo.jpg

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False positive

Hi Stifle, I just reverted your edit to Credit score (United States) as I thought it was spam/vandalism. However I undid my mistake. But still, do you think that a telephone number in a Wikipedia article in this style is a good idea? Should it preferably not be linked? --Poeloq (talk) 10:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it should. Wikipedia is not a how-to, and including US telephone numbers is both an introduction of systemic bias and an invitation for the next 100 countries to include their phone number for getting your credit report. Stifle (talk) 10:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Revert of IP at WP:ACC

Hi Poeloq, was this a mistake? I don't see anything wrong with it. Do you know something I don't know about this IP? --barneca (talk) 12:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ：Hey Barneca, oh god, yeah that was a mistake indeed! Sorry, must have happened in the heat of vandal fighting! Poeloq (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I've done that myself. I assumed as much and reverted it. --barneca (talk) 14:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't feed the troll...

Good job in reverting the vandalism of this particularly unpleasant IP vandal, but don't encourage them by posting extra messages on their talk page. He's vandalised past his last warning, now just hold out until a mod gets to the report. _TheIslander 20:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. But people like this just piss me off and I sometimes flip ;-) Good work, keep it up! How to patrol with u soon again. Poeloq (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy for Ike Awgu

My bad. I saw the username that did the vandalism, and I saw the title of the article, and figured both were meant to attack the fellow. If at all possible, I'd like to withdraw the speedy. --GoodDamon 18:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Chinese speakers

Hello Poeloq, thanks for the contribution. But I guess this list is a bit problematic:

1. The linguistic competence of a particular person is, in most cases, difficult to evaluate, especially that of a deceased person. It's something like "the IQ of Mozart/Da Vinci/Einstein": something that can neither be proved nor refuted. We know people enjoy reading these things, but Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia.
2. A really long list can be produced if we are to include the sinologists and diplomats. But I doubt whether it'd be meaningful.

Just some thoughts. Cheers.--K.C. Tang (talk) 01:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey K.C. Tang. I understand your points, however I don't think that we shouldn't include a list of notable speakers just because it will be short. For example, Kevin Rudd is a very notable current speaker. And: we are not evaluating anybodies language skill, but are telling people, which notable people learned Chinese and were able to speak it at least semi-conversatonianal. I will rv the non-western speakers and source the remaining and expand it with more if I find any. I actually had finished half way, and then my PC decided to crash:( Poeloq (talk) 02:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application

Dear Poeloq,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

Qst 21:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Poeloq!

Unfortunately, we've chosen to decline your application because we think that maybe you should get more experience with CSD tagging before using a semi-automated tool like NPWatcher. Feel free to apply again in the near future, and happy editing ;-), Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've striken the application not as admin but as NPW moderator, after consultations with the other NPW mod. Since you should warn users when tagging as CSD, it's not difficult to check, you have only to browse the contributions. However, as admin I can check deleted contributions too. From your contributions, you seems to have tagged 21 (less or more) articles, and many of those in April or before. I'm sure that a bit more of experience won't hurt. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Snowwolf, thank you for clarifying in what role this decision was made. However, my preferences show 150+ deleted edits (as you as an admin can in deed check) and I only started tagging userpages after using Twinkle and learning WP:CSD. This means that tools in general improve my performance and I believe NPWatch would do so aswell. Please reconsider your decision, as depending on what tools I have I will be focusing on that certain area for a while. Poeloq (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Warning placement

Hello, please exercise caution that you are placing warnings on user talk pages, not on their user pages. You recently placed warnings on User:Seowebworks (which I moved) and User:Tburton30. If you are using an automated tool please check your settings. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 05:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Tianjin

		The Original Barnstar
		Thank you for fixing the Tianjin article after a speedy deletion I did accidentally deleted more than half of it when removing the backlinks. Keep up the good work! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Haslach (Freiburg)

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Haslach (Freiburg), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Haslach (Freiburg). Kannie | talk 22:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. When I edited your article, I was unaware of the wikipolicy concerning villages. I now am enlightened by a privious editor. I deleted the proposed deletion tag. Kannie | talk 22:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)