Plato's Dog
May 2012 edit
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Dear User: ElKevBo,
Dissapointed a fellow scholar would remove valid Ph.D.research based information without a conversation.
How will we expand knowledge as scholars if we eliminate each other’s contributions to help improve the world's knowledge base? There are less than 2 percent of the world's population with Ph.D.'s and few people of this percentage take the time to try to help improve Wikipedia and disseminate valid research based knowledge from refereed journals and professional research presentations. It is undoing people's work without first taking the time to dialogue with the contributor I find most distasteful. Good luck with your Ph.D. and hopefully you will not have the experience of having people eliminate your validated Ph.D. based research because someone finds it not germane and does not show the respect of discussing the issue with you.
- This is an encyclopedia, not a venue to promote obscure journal articles and low-quality videos of academic talks. We welcome your expertise but I encourage you to be more selective and careful about the material you add to articles. In particular, please consider adding material to the body of articles using new references rather than simply adding external links and recommended readings; it's far better that you use your expertise to specifically and explicitly point out useful and interesting knowledge to readers rather than hoping they'll be able to glean it from other sources. ElKevbo (talk) 08:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
It may be useful to recall the meaning of encyclopedia. An elitist concept of what is mainstream and what is obscure sources of knowledge will not help us to challenge the status quo when necessary and become more intelligent. The following is a quote of its meaning from Wikipedia.
"The word encyclopaedia comes from the Koine Greek ἐγκυκλοπαιδεία,[8] from Greek ἐγκύκλιος παιδεία,[9] transliterated enkyklios paideia, meaning "general education": enkyklios (ἐγκύκλιος), meaning "circular, recurrent, required regularly, general"[10] + paideia (παιδεία), meaning "education, rearing of a child".[11] but it was reduced to a single word due to an error[12] by copyists of Latin manuscripts. Together, the phrase literally translates as "complete instruction" or "complete knowledge".
“Indeed, the purpose of an encyclopedia is to collect knowledge disseminated around the globe; to set forth its general system to the men with whom we live, and transmit it to those who will come after us, so that the work of preceding centuries will not become useless to the centuries to come; and so that our offspring, becoming better instructed, will at the same time become more virtuous and happy, and that we should not die without having rendered a service to the human race in the future years to come.
”—Diderot[13]
You have every right to make your edits and I will not engage in a editing war. My intention was to suggest you perhaps in the future will engage in talk BEFORE eliminating a person's contribution rather then after you eliminate information because you find it 'obscure'. Plato's Dog (talk) 16:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Please see WP:BRD; in general, many of us prefer to allow some contradictory edits to occur before asking or requiring discussion so we don't gum up the works with unnecessary bureaucracy. You made some edits, I reverted, and now we're discussing them and that's fine. We only run off the tracks when you make edits, I revert, and you revert my reversions in the beginning of an edit war.
- And note that this encyclopedia relies on reliable, published sources and a neutral point of view. Put most bluntly: this is not an appropriate venue to "challenge the status quo." I understand the importance of doing that and I wholeheartedly support your right to do so, just not here. If the common understanding of an issue is incomplete or flawed, you'll have to work outside of Wikipedia to change that before you can come here to document it. I'm sorry if you don't like or accept that but you don't have the right to disrupt this project if you disagree. ElKevbo (talk) 16:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I will end the discussion with two questions to consider, " Does a neutral point of view exist?" and secondly, "What is common understanding?" For instance Global Warming, is not an encyclopedia aimed at showing the different points of view (based on empirical research) because there is a major disjoint in 'common understanding" so the reader can reach a conclusion of how to define and understand a concept? Is there a neutral point of view about Global Warming, Evolution,...?Enjoy your day.
Plato's Dog (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
It is better to engage in discussion, as you did, and User:ElKevbo has answered you, above...(he is right, btw).
Lectonar (talk) 09:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you both for your input. Hopefully, we will embrace 'obscure' academic refereed journals consisting of Ph.D.'s from around the world as valid sources of knowledge. The implication, ElKevbo, of your statement about my source being from an 'obscure' journal reinforces a biased status quo that only those in elitist power, in this case you as an editor (and your declaration you are a scholar on your talk page), decide what is knowledge. What is 'obscure' to you is not obscure to the people who have earned Ph.D.'s throughout the world using a living theory mixed method approach for qualitative research. Hopefully, you will realise the value of seeking out 'obscure' sources, which are professionally research based, as valuable sources of knowledge.
I hope Lectonar you agree with ElKevbo regarding his edits not on his view about 'obscure' professional refereed information sources. If we don't embrace 'obscure' sources of knowledge we will often fail to challenge the status quo when it requires it.
Plato's Dog (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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