User talk:Peter I. Vardy/Archive 13

DYK for St Gregory's Church, Vale of Lune

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Churches Conservation Trust

The "northern" region looks fine on a quick scan. Let me know when you get to the southwest & I'll try to help with that one.— Rod ^talk 16:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a note to say thanks for the mammoth amount of work you've put in on the above. I created the original stub when doing things with (I think) Medieval parish churches of York - I live next door to one of them - and I eventually added the first all-Yorkshire section, which consisted of another two (Holy Trinity, Goodramgate, and old St Lawrence). Now North Yorks has been spun off into the very nice Northern England list - great work! Talking of that list, I think that Holy Trinity, Goodramgate, should perhaps have "Goodramgate" visible in the table, maybe in the second column - "Goodramgate, York", like "Haley Hill, Halifax" or possibly in the first column. I know the link goes to the right church, but on the surface I feel that it needs to be distinguished from Holy Trinity Priory in Micklegate, even though the latter isn't a CCT church. Any thoughts? --GuillaumeTell 17:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind remarks (it's all good fun, isn't it). I've made the addition you suggested. It's good to have this sort of feedback; you sometimes wonder if you are working in a sort of oblivion. So what, someone, sometime, may benefit from what we're doing on WP. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you planning to nominate at FLC? I'm working on SW England - but there are loads of entries most of which don't (yet) have articles. I would hope to have them all done in a month or two & would then do a SW list based on your formatting of the northern region.— Rod ^talk 13:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It is certainly in my mind to do so at some stage, although I'm not in a rush. What do you think of it so far? I think the lead needs a bit more attention, but I've been distracted by working on this — the area CCT calls "Heart of England". I am trying to stick to the areas they have defined here; and these are the counties included in South West England. It is not mandatory to have an article for every item in a FL, but IMO opinion such a list is only worthy of the accolade if there is an article for all the notable items (and this would have to include all listed buildings). Just my opinion. I welcome your views, advice, improvements, etc., now or at any stage.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Souls Church, Halifax

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Dab usage

I replied to your question on this on my talk page. -- Starbois (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Church of All Souls, Bolton at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! StAnselm (talk) 06:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Church of All Souls, Bolton

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Andrew's Church, East Heslerton

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Old Christ Church, Waterloo

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Leicester

Your hook for All Saints Church, Leicester is very interesting, but I don't see the in-line ref for the hook within the article. Am I missing something? I am not a stickler for rules, but I am pretty sure that hooks are supposed to have an in-line reference and I don't want to pass it and break one of the rules. (Please reply on my talk page. I am not watching yours or the DYK talk page.) Dincher (talk) 01:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it! Dincher (talk) 13:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke

-- Cirt (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Nicholas' Church, Gloucester

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Michael's Church, Michaelchurch

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Old St Bartholomew's Church, Lower Sapey

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

St John the Baptist Church, Inglesham

Peter, as you may have spotted I'm slowly working my way through CCT churches in Wiltshire, but could I ask you to take a look at St John the Baptist Church, Inglesham as this one seems a bit special compared with the others I've done & I'd like to do it justice, before DYK nomination. I'm using online sources as its not in my books (which are generally about Somerset). Any help appreciated.— Rod ^talk 20:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Replied on Rod's talk page.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I'm continuing to work on it, but I'm not familiar with the Church infobox, so could I ask you to apply it to the article as you are obviously expert in using it.— Rod ^talk 08:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I've used the churches infobox. Whenever I've looked at LBO it has the same data as IoE & the need to register/login at Heritage Gateway/LBO rather than going straight to the particular entry can be a barrier for some. What would you suggest as the DYK hoo? I was thinking about the 7 levels of paint in the wall paintings.— Rod ^talk 11:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Holy Cross Church, Burley

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Bartholomew's Church, Furtho

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Gregory's Church, Fledborough

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Kedleston

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Leicester

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Preston

Hi, I saw you supported the change to make Preston into a disambig. Per WP:FIXDABLINKS, could you help re-point the links going to Preston? We could especially use help with the Preston, Lancashire vs. City of Preston, Lancashire distinction. Thanks, --JaGa^talk 10:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

200 DYK Creation/Expansion Medal

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Congratulations are in order! You have passed the milestone of 200 articles created or expanded by yourself, ones that were shown on the Main page in the "Did you know?" section. Your articles, primarily churches and outstanding buildings, have been of top value to the encyclopedia. Superb! Binksternet (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Nicholas of Myra's Church, Ozleworth

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pendock Church

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Martin's Church, Preston Gubbals

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter and St Paul's Church, Preston Deanery

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Grade B listed building

Peter, Can I pick your brains again? I'm now doing CCT churches in Devon & working on St Martin's Church, Exeter. Both IoE & LBO give this as Grade B - have you got any sources saying this has been regraded to II* or II or whatever? If not should I use B in the article?— Rod ^talk 08:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in replying; I've been away. I haven't been able to find a reliable source about this but, to my understanding, Grades A, B, and C were used in the early days of listing for Anglican churches, and the Grades equate respectively to I, II*, and II. Some of the early gradings have been updated, some have not. I use the Grade now given in Heritage Gateway; in your case it would be B until this is updated, I guess. Presumably at some time or another the A, B, C Grades will be updated to I, II*, and II but, until then, I prefer to use the specific grade given by the source (and then no one can grumble (can they?)). Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Bartholomew's Church, Richard's Castle

The DYK project (nominate) 19:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St James' Church, Stirchley

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, Shrewsbury

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Cosmas and St Damian's Church, Stretford

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Churches Conservation Trust in South West England

Would you be kind enough to take a look at User:Rodw/Sandox/List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England for any obvious errors before I put it up?— Rod ^talk 16:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your really helpful comments. I believe some have been addressed: dates sort, church names shortened, I've added to the note on the date column & non-breaking spaces added. I'm intending to expand the lead with a paragraph overview of the 62 churches, rural v town, oldest v youngest, fabric v contents etc. I also have 3 churches I'm still finding more content on. As far as the references go I understand what you are saying about IoE but they do provide verification of the content included - I may return to this, but if we are saying it is no longer a reliable source then hundreds (? thousands) of articles will need to be revisited! I'm not a fan of bibliography sections for books (or the overly complex harvnb style) - if a ref is used more than once the ref can be renamed - still have a few page numbers to find! Do you know why we have the number of pixels stipulated in each of the table columns rather than percentages? Hoping to make this live later today (& possibly as my 50,000th edit).— Rod ^talk 09:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC

It's now up at List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England. Have you got any thoughts on the suggestion on the talk page about adding a separate column for county to enable sorting on that criteria?— Rod ^talk 19:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to remember to add the comma between church & town later, but a certain copyeditor seems to be in full flow at present & I don't want to cause edit conflicts.— Rod ^talk 16:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can equate B with II*. I have seen a B go to grade I. I will email relevant individuals & organisations to ask if it has been regraded yet.— Rod ^talk 10:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Just had an email back from English Heritage. Church of St Martin, Cathedral Close, Exeter is still a B. I've replied asking if we can equate this to II*.— Rod ^talk 16:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note re CCT & consecration. I've amended the lead of the SW list & St. Paul's Church, Bristol.— Rod ^talk 18:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Aldwincle

Hi Peter. Perhaps move this DYK nomination to the special 1st November All Saints Day section? I've put a couple of All Saints Churches there but won't be writing any more before the day, so the section won't be filling up with dozens of churches (!). Incidentally, St Cosmas and St Damian's Church, Stretford is one of, I believe, only four with that dedication in Britain ... and one of the others is at Keymer, less than a mile from my house and still (despite the building of another church in Hassocks itself) the parish church of both Keymer and Hassocks. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea. I really do not have any strong feeling about this, but I have added a note under the suggestion so that those who decide these things can make the decision.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of St Cuthbert's Church, Holme Lacy

Hello! Your submission of St Cuthbert's Church, Holme Lacy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

CCT

Thank you for adding Anglicanism to all these. Re: For what it's worth, I've added WP Anglicanism to all the CCT churches.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

That's fine; thanks.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Deene

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St John the Baptist's Church, Wakerley

Courcelles 00:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Cuthbert's Church, Holme Lacy

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Andrew's Church, Cranford

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

St Andrew's, Cranford

Please, pleeease, pleeease don't publish the fact that a church that is no longer in use has a piece of pre-Restoration silver in it. If it is still located in the church, then it probably won't be, tomorrow. Amandajm (talk) 09:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Do you really think the silver is still there? Some chance! Anyway it's already published elsewhere and the information is generally available (see the ref). And the article does say "In the 1930s, when the church was still in use ...", (so thanks for the edit which I've only just noticed).--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, Wormsley

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Northampton

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Aldwincle

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Michael and All Angels Church, Brownsover

Gatoclass (talk) 18:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Swithun's Church, Brookthorpe

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Wolfhampcote

-- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, Shipton Solars

-- Cirt (talk) 06:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

peckforton castle history

Dear Peter Vardy,

I would like you to reinsert the changes I made for the topic of Peckforton Castle History. I am Shawn Barrett and lived in the Castle with my family for approximately 12 years. If you look at the website http://www.peckfortoncastle.co.uk/the_castle/history_1939_present.php you will see that my father George B Barrett is mentioned with his french wife. We wish to place the correct history with more details concerning our presence as we feel we contributed to a reuse of the castle. We actually were the only family to use the castle as a private family residence since 1939 and the ex-owner Evelyn Graybill or the new owners the Naylor's have never used it as a family residence. All the information below is in fact true and correct and I am willing to send you newspaper clippings to verify this.

Please reinsert the following in the appropriate space. You may rewrite the insert as you wish but we do feel we added to the history of the castle and we allowed to have several films shot on the premises. I have a picture of myself standing in the main gate way with an alien robot from one of the series of doctor who.

“The Tollemache family used the castle for occasional gatherings, but otherwise it was unused a private residence from 1939 until 1969. From 1969 to 1980 a new saga emerged for the castle; Lord John Tollemache leased part of the castle to Mr. George W. Barrett (II) alias ‘Bud’ as a private residence. Mr. Barrett, a high-ranking civil servant employed by the U.S. Government restored the right wing and tower interiors and the castle gardens to their former glory. His family includes his spouse, Monique, and their children: Pascale, George. W. (III), Shawn, Marc and Sheila. Ms. Pascale Barrett's wedding with over 500 guests was the first ever to be held in the chapel and a special decree had to be obtained by the Archbishop of Canterbury to legally hold catholic weddings in the grounds of the castle. This initiative by Mr. Barrett gave an impulse for the castle to be used in the future as a luxurious wedding location. Although the castle was closed to the public, the Barrett family allowed its use to several film production companies namely MGM and the BBC.”

My parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary at the castle in September 2007. We stayed in the newly opened hotel and all my brothers and sisters and their children came to the event.

Actually living in the castle and the magical forests and working on the numerous films sets inspired me to pursue a career in the entertainment industry. I started my career at Disney and am currently V.P. of project development at Miziker Entertainment. I have just finished writing a animated story and theatrical production. ( my email is sbarrett@miziker.com). Please feel free to contact me if you wish.

Thank you

Shawn Barrett —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawnworks (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Shawn, for getting in touch again. I agree that there is a serious gap in the "recent" history of the building, and I should be most pleased to be able to fill that (maybe with a little less detail than you have to provided above). However, as I said to you in my message of October 2009, "all material must be verifiable with appropriate citations". So I need more information about reliable sources for which I can give citations. Preferably these should be online so that readers can view them for themselves, but newspaper cuttings may well be acceptable, provided they are factual and not fanciful. I will contact you separately by e-mail about this. Incidentally the article will need re-visiting because some of the links are "dead" and I will have to see if I can find an archived version, or if not, the same information elsewhere.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Holdenby

-- Cirt (talk) 12:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, Brentingby

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Beeby

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Michael's Church, Stretton en le Field

The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary Magdalene's Church, Battlefield

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Swithun's Church, Worcester

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Leonard's Church, Bridgnorth

The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Billesley

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Adderley

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Saviour's Church, Tetbury

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

		The Featured Article Barnstar
		Congratulations on yet another delightful church brought out of obscurity and onto the main page! Amandajm (talk) 05:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Tetbury

• At that date it was almost certainly Hardman the founder of Hardman and Co who often worked with Pugin, ie. the stained glass man.
• The splayed buttresses are when they stick out at diagonals instead of right angles to the building.
• Catslide- I'm not 100% sure that the term is used in the UK. It may be US usage, as that type of roof often occurs over the kitchen extension to old houses. I should make sure there is a link/article to it.
• Flowing Decorated Gothic is the style that follows Geometric Decorated Gothic. The east window of Lincoln Cathedral is a grand example of Geometric Decorated and the east window of Carlisle Cathedral is a grand example of Flowing Decorated. Two signs that it is the latter style are the rotating wheel form like three swimming fish in the west window and the "butterfly" motif in the east window.
• A narrow single-light window is a lancet window, with the Early English Gothic style sometimes being called "Lancet Gothic" because it employs groups of windows without tracery, as at Salisbury Cathedral.

The article on English Gothic still isn't very good! I have neglected it for years, and should get back to tidy it up. I've been told that such "old-fashioned" grouping of styles is no-longer "in". However, it makes life much easier if one has a few divisions and can sort buildings into boxes, and stick an approximate date on them, just by the style of their tracery (and vault, if they have one). Amandajm (talk) 14:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

My computer kept dropping out when I wrote this. It seems to be OK now, so I can say more.

In what I wrote, I was merely reading the primary source: the building itself. There have been arguments against this on Wiki, on the grounds that it's OR. To me, looking at a Gothic building and describing it as Early English, Geometric or Flowing (Flamboyant) Decorated is as straight forward as saying that someone is wearing a bowler hat, a baseball cap or a bishop's mitre. This makes it a bit difficult if you really must back up the fact that it's Flowing Decorated with a reference. I would tend to say "see pic left". Another picture from the south west would be good. There is a good one on line.

One thing about this church that I like is the nifty way the little extension near the vestry has a corner cut off, so that the light to the north aisle is not impeded. What is that little lean-to? Is that where the organ was, before they removed it? I like the chimney on the end of the vestry as well- very considerate! definitely better than the two-bar radiator that our man makes do with, up on the mountain in the winter.

What I can't understand is why the architect was so stingey with the side aisle windows. Is the church sufficiently small that the windows into the ends of the aisles and the one at the west end let in enough light to illuminate the building?

There is a strong similarity bewteen the work of this architect and that of Edmund Blacket, but Blacket's smaller churches tended to be better proportioned.

Amandajm (talk) 05:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back again, and for generously giving me all that information. I was going to contact you again about this precise matter. I was concerned about Wikipedia:Verifiability, and whether or not it was OR (or OK — own knowledge). The purpose of these little church articles is two-fold; to give some information about each church, and to have an article on each church in the lists to which I have referred. IMO for a list to be featured, there should, if at all possible, be an article on each of the items in the list. So rather than expand, I tend to follow the Verifiability guidelines as I see them. Although it has been known for me to state that something obvious, like a crocketted pinnacle, is there, even if there is no mention of it in the sources. So I suppose I do the same thing, sort of. Anyway thanks for your support and interest.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Verifiability page. I think the bottom line might be whether or not the information is likely to be challenged. The answer is probably not. Nothing is being "derived" fom the information. No judgement of quality is suggested. It's just a straightfoward statement of "style" which seems pretty much like being able to recognize that Salisbury Cathedral is Gothic and St Paul's Cathedral is Baroque. Nobody would question that.... or would they? I'll have a look at some of your other articles.

I don't know if it was to you that I said this before, but it's best not to mention small movables, like the church plate. The trade in stolen church property is ongoing and just awful! Amandajm (talk) 10:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Amandajm (talk) 10:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Pinfolds

Cool list, I like it! Is it supposed to be manes though? Maybe an obvious typo, but I didn't want to correct in case I was missing something! --BelovedFreak 22:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, of course an obvious typo. Thanks for spotting it. Maybe a slightly obscure subject, but IMO worthy of a place in WP. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:15, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St John the Baptist's Church, Avon Dassett

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Unto Us is Born a Son

Hello, thanks for the comment. I did wonder about putting it forward for a Christmas Day DYK, but I'm not quite sure how I would go about it - should I put a note on the current entry or make another entry under "December 25"? By the way, I'm a big fan of all of your church articles - luckily I managed to get inside St Andrew's Church, Woodwalton to take a picture during the Heritage Open Days. Rob (talk) 01:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Haha, yes the "organist goes mental" verse. Um, I noticed that instruction as well, so what I've done is left it in the original nomination place, and then also duplicated it in the "special holding area". So, at least then it's up to one of the DYK bods. I can't see why they wouldn't want Christmas day themed nominations (it's surely more important than April Fools Day), but I'll have to see. The list looks really good, by the way, I'll have to have a proper read and (I suspect) will be supporting it. Rob (talk) 11:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Milton Mausoleum

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Michael and St Martin's Church, Eastleach Martin

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You are awesome

So many churches...in the words of Neo: "Wow" :) Omegastar (talk) 09:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks — and I've really only just started! Anyway it makes a change from pop songs and episodes from soap operas. Cheers.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

On a completely different subject, Thanks. When you get tired of churches Malleus thinks there aren't enough articles on workhouses!--J3Mrs (talk) 10:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Images of England

Hi Peter – hope all is well. I just clicked on an Images of England link in one of my church lists, and found to my horror that the website has been revamped, destroying all links in the format http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=302261&mode=quick. I searched for a while, but couldn't find what the new link should be (assuming they are still available from that site!). I know we are tending to use Heritage Gateway now, but I expect some of your older lists may still have IoE links in the refs; I know many of mine do. This may need a bit of work, sadly! I have notified WP:ARCH and WP:UKGEO. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

There may be a mechanical (bot) solution to that, though I'm afraid I've forgotten who to ask. It's so annoying when they do this. Johnbod (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the news. Like you I have switched to Heritage Gateway for new articles, and in fact have been tweaking some of the older Cheshire church articles, including updating the refs to HG. I have seen the discussion at WT:UKGEO, and the hope that a bot can do the work for us in this respect. If so it will turn out to be a good thing in the end, as IoE is now out of date (although sometimes useful for photos). I'm pleased that Rodw is involved, as he has a list at FLC with at least 62 refs to IoE (he had not moved to HG despite my advice!). The sister lists here and here fortunately all have HG refs. So thanks for your recommendation in the first place.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Martin's Church, Waithe

Materialscientist (talk) 06:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

FL

Hi Peter, Thanks - no problem with any of it being used for the other areas - if you want me to cast an eye over them in advance of FLC let me know.— Rod ^talk 07:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

On taking a quick look at List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands I noticed that

• the table about grade I. II* & II listed buildings doesn't have scope column & scope row, but the table below of the churches does - I'm not sure if this is yet a guidelines but you could copy the one from SW England if you wanted.

• Done

• Under bibliography you have Pevsner for Shropshire, but not for the other counties - do all the Newman & Pevsner refs relate to this one?

• Yes. I only have the Shropshire book for the counties in this list.

• I've seen Britain Express (ref 17, 49, 111, 134 etc) challenged as a reliable source, but I've used it elsewhere without problems - Rootsweb (ref 41) may also get challenged. Refs 12,24, 34 & 69 appear to come from the same site but some have author details & the others doesn't.

• I also wondered about these as reliable sources. If they are queried, I shall probably delete them and edit the notes appropriately. Thanks for drawing my attention to the CRSBI refs: I've added the authors and date to the others, plus one additional one I found.

• Ref 167, 172, 177 have a year (2006) for the HG web site the others don't - reviewers look for consistency.

• Don't get this one. I have been through all the references and all the HG ones have the 2006 date. Could it be a browser wrinkle?

• If you sort by county & then sort by date they come out with newest first - I've always done it the other way with oldest first - but I don't know if it matters. Sorting by the first column seems to be by name of church rather than place - OK but those with "Tower of" means that they appear under T rather than in place of church name.

• Sorry I don't understand what you mean by the first sentence. Every time I sort they all seem to be OK. About the first column, I tried putting "tower" in brackets, but then it would not sort properly. Then I thought — sorting by church name is not much use; you get "Church" "Old" "St" etc in that order. So I changed it to sort by place name; how much use that is I know not, but at least it makes some sense!

Hope those quick comments make sense - if not let me know.— Rod ^talk 14:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The row & column scope stuff has been discussed in various places try: MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Bold row headers & Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates/Archive 14#Accessibility and its changes to tables. It is part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (accessibility) Particularly the bit on Tables.— Rod ^talk 15:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've tried to understand it but it's all over my head. So I'll just follow the "rules". I have interspersed my replies to your comments above. And Malleus has done the copyediting already — he's a good guy.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I meant about the sorting now either & I can't find any Heritage Gateway references without a date, so I think all comments above dealt with. The sorting by placename works for me - I'm assuming Marefair is a suburb of Northampton, but that may be unclear & it stands out from the others. I can't spot anything else at present.— Rod ^talk 17:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Marefair is a street/road/thoroughfare, so it's been deleted. And I've added alt text for all the images, to give it "extra value".--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with FLC - I'll add it to my watchlist.— Rod ^talk 14:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of St Mary the Virgin's Church, Little Hormead

Hello! Your submission of St Mary the Virgin's Church, Little Hormead at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:38, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary the Virgin's Church, Little Hormead

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Peter's Church, Kingerby

Materialscientist (talk) 06:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary's Church, North Cockerington

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Edward Kemp

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Mary the Frosty

I like church and article a lot! In addition to what I said on DYK, could you please insert the term tester in the linked article? Also clean up the listings of the Acts of Mercy, ";" here, "." there ... - You seem to be the expert on church building terms: please have a look at our church St. Martin, Idstein and correct. Someone suggested "half transept" for the room behind the organ. I called it Chapel, pic 2, but am not quite happy. What's on the wall there, is in German a Kreuzigungsgruppe. And in English? Feel welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I've made an addition to the Test disambig page to include "tester" in the sense I've used it. Not sure what you mean by the listings of the Acts of Mercy. Anyway, I'm no expert on church building terms, rather a keen and inexperienced learner; I've only just bought a book on architectural terms! So, sorry, I don't really have anything to offer on St Martin's Church. But have a good Christmas.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)