Paje Turner
Welcome!
editHello, Paje Turner, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your recent edit to an article that is part of the Latter Day Saint movement WikiProject. We welcome your contributions and hope that you will stay and contribute more. Here are some links that I found helpful:
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Secondary sources
editHi, I noticed that someone has placed a "primary sources" tag on your new article. Might I recommend that you take a look at WP:Secondary, where it explains the difference between primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. If you're interested, I might be able to recommend some good secondary sources that you can use to source the article. Either way, please do let me know if you get this message. (This, by the way, is your talk page where you can communicate with other editors.) Let me know if you would like any help. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
As a side note, I noticed that you are marking many of your edits as "minor". Generally it's considered bad form to tick the "minor" box unless the edit really is minor, like a punctuation or spelling fix. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:18, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi User talk:Adjwilley I'm new here and still figuring things out, thanks for the tips, I will welcome any help you are willing to give! Thanks for stopping by! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paje Turner (talk • contribs)
- No problem. I've added a signing template to your post above, but in the future you can sign yourself by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your post. The software will automatically substitute that with your signature and a link to your talk page. As for the pages you created, I do recommend that you try and fix the sourcing problems...Sources to scripture or LDS Church publications are considered primary sources, and don't carry much weight around here. It's an odd rule, and often confuses newcomers, but it works out for the best in the end. For the article about Marriage, one source that comes to mind that might work for you would be Richard Bushman's Mormonism: a very short introduction. That's one that helped me along quite a bit when I was starting out on Wikipedia. It's a quick read, and it covers most of the basics. I remember there being something about marriage/family near the end. I haven't reviewed your other article yet, but I'll have a look at it, as I'm sure many others will. Another thing you should probably read before you get too far is Wikipedia's policy on NPOV. It's important to write from a neutral point of view around here, especially in articles dealing with religious belief. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- ok, thanks, I didn't find much in Richard's book, feel free to add a ref if you know of one. I just added stats from the 2008 ARIS survey, I think that's secondary?
- Pages 78-79 and 108-109 had some relevant stuff. Maybe O'Dea's book will have more. I'll check tomorrow maybe. I think the ARIS is fine as a source, though I'm not sure where it lies on the primary vs. secondary spectrum. I've made some changes to the article, moving some of the quotes into the footnotes and summarizing them in the prose. It's more appropriate for an encyclopedia that way. More probably needs to be done along those lines. ~Adjwilley (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help!Paje Turner (talk) 03:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Pages 78-79 and 108-109 had some relevant stuff. Maybe O'Dea's book will have more. I'll check tomorrow maybe. I think the ARIS is fine as a source, though I'm not sure where it lies on the primary vs. secondary spectrum. I've made some changes to the article, moving some of the quotes into the footnotes and summarizing them in the prose. It's more appropriate for an encyclopedia that way. More probably needs to be done along those lines. ~Adjwilley (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- ok, thanks, I didn't find much in Richard's book, feel free to add a ref if you know of one. I just added stats from the 2008 ARIS survey, I think that's secondary?
- No problem. I've added a signing template to your post above, but in the future you can sign yourself by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your post. The software will automatically substitute that with your signature and a link to your talk page. As for the pages you created, I do recommend that you try and fix the sourcing problems...Sources to scripture or LDS Church publications are considered primary sources, and don't carry much weight around here. It's an odd rule, and often confuses newcomers, but it works out for the best in the end. For the article about Marriage, one source that comes to mind that might work for you would be Richard Bushman's Mormonism: a very short introduction. That's one that helped me along quite a bit when I was starting out on Wikipedia. It's a quick read, and it covers most of the basics. I remember there being something about marriage/family near the end. I haven't reviewed your other article yet, but I'll have a look at it, as I'm sure many others will. Another thing you should probably read before you get too far is Wikipedia's policy on NPOV. It's important to write from a neutral point of view around here, especially in articles dealing with religious belief. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Sign of the Dove
editNice start to the Sign of the Dove article! I've worked thru the the references, bringing the formatting up to WP standards, and moved some material around so that it works better. As you are new to WP, if you have any questions about why a specific change was made, please feel free to ask. I certainly had a learning curve when I first started contributing years ago, and benefited a great deal from the assistance of others, so it's a pleasure to pass along that favor to others. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 15:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.250.237 (talk) 20:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)