User talk:PSUMark2006/Archive 1

Archives 2006 - March 2007

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No, thank you for the help in adding the templates! I'm a bit lazy in doing the templates after spending a good four hours on making it... so needless to say, you've helped me get going on doing these templates (if that makes any sense). Thanks for your efforts with the project, and I hope you continue to contribute to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 01:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Brett Favre Page

Hey PSUMark2006, I got your message and I'll be on all night during the grammy's and all that so I posted the question here on you talk page as well, and please notify me on my talk page when you get back and we can look into this, like I said all the info is correct and I'm not sure why King Bee reverted it, I look into all of it and it's fact, but I want you to see it also, SpaceMountain added 5 things to the records and milestones, they are 2,562 points by quarterback, this is fact 414 pass tds and 13 rush tds = 427 X 6 points a TD, only Marino has more. He added career record and wins by a QB regular season and playoffs combined with 158-99, this is fact, he's 147-90 in regular season and 11-9 in playoffs, only Elway is better. He Added career record by a starting quarterback regular season at 147-90, tied with Marino and Elway is one better, this is fact. He added career starts by a NFL quarterback withy 237, only Tarkenton and Marino had more with 240 each, this is fact. The fifth one is career games by a quarterback, Favre has 241 and Marino and Tarkenton have 242 and 246, this is correct and pro football reference confirms this. I looked it all up and it's all fact, I remember them talking about this five categorys also on Sunday Night Football when packers played the bears, Al Michaels and John Madden were talking about them, anyway I posted the original question below this so it will be on you talk page and you can look into it to, please let me know in my talk page when you get back, I'll be here, Thanks, TheQueenHMS

Another quick question, user Space Mountain edit's last night, I checked them in the history and you can to, but he added 5 stats in the Records and Milestones and updated Favre's attempts to 8,224, which is correct nfl.com has it wrong and all other sites have him at 8,224 and he added a direct link to his playoff stats at fox sports, which confirms all the playoff numbers posted, currently the number 12 citation is on the playoff stats, but that takes 15 minutes to find the playoff section, but King Bee reverted all this for some reason, it's all accurate, please check Space Mountain's edit and I want to know as with the DEFAULTSORT, can that be added, it's all correct and useful info and thanks for telling me about the first name policy WP:MOSBIO, didn't know about that, please let me know about this, I'm editing other pages, but I'll be around, Thanks, TheQueenHMS

Hey PSUMark, user King Bee has obviously gone crazy and reverted my statement again from the talk page and keeps reverting the material we added including the links to the three site in the infobox stats page, he's broke the 3RR rule several times and I'm not going to do the same by fighting him, you can deal with him when you get back and we can look into the stuff I discussed above, I've got other pages to edit in the meantime Thanks, TheQueenHMS

The BeverlyHills85 version of the Brett Favre page is correct, but once again it's been reverted because you just don't want it there, and you call everyone a sock. I've never seen people who don't want factual stats on as bad as aviper2k7 and King Bee do. They must hate Brett Favre, but anyway I'm asking like TheQueenHMS did that PSUMark2006 look at the edits by SpaceMountain and BeverlyHills85 and confirm they are correct and belong. TheQueenHMS wasn't a sock but you've banned them anyway, or you had someone else do it, but PSUMark2006 will look at the 2 edits and confirm they belong. TheQueenHMS explained them above. Thanks, malibu55

PSUMark2006 isn't an administrator and saying I hate Brett Favre because I follow Wikipedia rules is ridiculous.++aviper2k7++ 03:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you liked Brett Favre at all, you would let these correct stats stay, they are fact, mentioned on Sunday night football, but you don't want them there cause you don't like the person that added them, well starwars1955 added the whole playoff section and stats box above it, you gonna delete that to, they are correct and people should see them your discrasing Brett Favre aviper2k7 and you are no fan, your acting very immature and the only thing you doing is discrasing Brett Favre's correct stats and info, that's sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.121.169 (talk) 04:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back. Interesting to see that the history of my talk page doubled in the time I was gone. We are looking into which statistic is accurate with regard to Favre's passing record, and once I hear back from one of the site administrators at either ESPN, NFL, or profootballreference, we can move forward from there. Like aviper2k7 said, I am not an administrator and have never indicated I am. It's not an issue of being a fan or not being a fan, it's not an issue of being mature or immature. Wikipedia has policies that govern the behavior of its editors in an attempt to keep articles stable and discourse about the content of articles civil. One of those policies is that banned users may not make edits to pages. Additionally, users that have been identified as sockpuppets of banned users also may not make edits and may be banned on sight. Other editors have determined that you are a sockpuppet of a previously banned user. If you feel this decision is erroneous, my recommendation would be to request assistance from an administrator not presently involved in the dispute. If you feel a user has violated 3RR, you can report this at the appropriate noticeboard. Let me know if you need some additional clarification. -- PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 04:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The top paragraph on this discussion spells out the 5 stats are fact, TheQueenHMS points this out, I was hoping you could confirm those 5 things pointed out at the beginning of this discussion and that was they can finally be added to the page, it's correct factual info, check the edit BeverlyHills85 added, the info is correct, they just reverted it again. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malibu55 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you provide verifiable Web references for each of these five statistics, we will add that information to the page. Additionally, please sign your posts by using four tildes (~~~~). Thanks, PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 04:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

TheQueenHMS had been blocked for no reason, accused of being a sock for adding the info you and him confirmed like the links to the infobox stats, so he won't be getting back to you, but all BeverlyHills85 edits to the Brett Favre page have been reverted, but they are correct, and if you look over them, they are easily comfirmable, but the first paragraph above explains it all in detail —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malibu55 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 12 February 2007

I haven't learned how to sign yet, but profootball reference confirms the games played, the favre watch confirms the wins and starts and points by quarterback you can confirm by going to pro football reference, and doing math 427 tds (414 pass and 13 rush) x 6 points per td = 2,562, there are citations linked to the 5 stats, but they revert the page anyway, just check BeverlyHills85 edit, all five of the have cits and as far as 8,224 attemps, all but nfl.com confirm this, they are off by one, but almost all site like PFR and espn and SI will confirm the 8,224 career attempts and the rest was just link to his stats in the infobox, like espn, si and cbs, Thanks, malibu55

Please see above: provide verifiable Web references to me (even if those references already exist in the article) and I can request that the information be added. That means specific web addresses that cite those records. You can sign your posts by using four tildes (~~~~).

The Dan Marino wikipedia page has Marino fist at 2,574 career QB points, Favre is second at 2,562 (414 pass + 13 rush x 6 equals 2,562) confirm this at: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/FavrBr00.htm

• The Dan Marino page also does not provide a citation for this source. I am currently investigating if using published statistics to extrapolate a statistic like points scored (since the source you provided doesn't explictly specify that) would constitute a violation of Wikipedia's "no original research" policy.

The 241 games at quarterback stats is third all time behind Dan Marino 242 and Tarkenton 246, this can be confirmed at http://www.pro-football-reference.com/qbindex.htm

• I concur with this.

The 158-99 record playoffs and regular season combined can be found at http://www.packers.com/history/record_book/individual_records/favre_watch/ and the Brett Favre pro football reference page above with the points link, this packers.com site confirms the 147 wins and he's 11-9 in the playoffs which the Pro football reference page proves giving him 158-99 record, Elway is 162-90-1 and Marino is 155-103

The regular season record can be confirmed at the above packers.com site, he has 237 career starts and 147 wins, giving him a record of 147-90, marino has 147-93 and elway has 148-82-1

• I'm unsure about listing a season record as a statistic, I would need to defer to someone more familiar with sports statistics for this.

and finally the 237 starts being 3.rd all time can be confirmed at the above packers.com address and different places at packers.com, marino has 240 (147-93) and tarkenton 240 (125-109-6) and if you search at google or yahoo tarkenton 125-109-6, many sites wil confirm that's his starting record, no one has more than those 2 because no quarterbacks have even played in more games than Favre,Marino and Tarkenton, let alone started, Thanks Malibu55 04:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Malibu55

• He already owns the all-time starting record for a quarterback. He is, however, third all-time in starts for any NFL player, behind Tingelhoff and Marshall. See Several Records Within Favre's Reach (packers.com). Additionally, that article lists his career attempts as 8,223, but I am waiting for clarification from the NFL, ESPN, and PFR for clarification. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 05:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

He owns the record for consecutive starts by a quarterback, but not overall most career starts by a quarterback, Dan Marino (147-93) and Tarkenton (125-109-6) had a total of 240 career starts, Favre's 3 starts from tying and 4 starts from being 1.st all-time. Malibu55 05:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Malibu55

and about listing a season record as a stat is very userful, the quarterback with the greatest all-time record is the one with the most wins, Elway at 148-82-1 , Marino 147-93 and Favre Tied for second with 147-90 is a improtant stat that most fans would love to see and would be very useful to the page and also what do you think about BevrlyHills85 adding the #67 Fox Sports citation that's a direct link to Brett Favre's playoff stats, instead of using the #12 cit which takes you to packers.com and it takes 10 minutes to find the playoff section, I think that update is great and a easy link to the playoff stats, Thanks so much for looking into this stuff PSUMark2006, Malibu55 05:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Malibu55

Also when you compair the current version of the Brett Favre page to the BeverlyHills85 version at 01:36, 12 February 2007, is there anything that you don't approve of, it's correct factual information and I was just wondering if there was anything else you had questions about, if so we could discuss it, once again thanks so much for looking into this and discussing everything. Malibu55 05:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Malibu55

I would suggest reading WP:CONSENSUS. It appears the consensus is agaisnt the changes you are trying to make and at this point, continually reverting the page with sockpuppets is just disruptive.--Isotope23 12:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter Isotope23, the info is factual and correct and belongs, what don't you understand about that. It doesn't fall under WP:CONSENSUS Malibu55 18:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Malibu55

It does fall under WP:CONSENSUS; there are 2 sources that disagree. See my response on your talkpage. Using Mark's page as a forum on this isn't the best idea.--Isotope23 19:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Then quit, but I'm discussing something with him and many sites say 8,224 and one says 8,223, go with the many site that say 8,224, you people put 8,223 and then give a link to PFR, which says 8,224, that's real smart, site Yahoosports.com Brett Favre, Fox Sports, SI, Pro football reference, espn and Database football say 8,224, what more do you need and also under career stats regular seasons, add up the box, add the attepmts by year and you'll get 8,224, but at the bottom you have 8,223, how smart is that. Let PSUMark2006 respond to this section and go somewhere else if you want to argue with people, I'm not interested, I want to get correct factual info added to the Brett Favre page and all of BeverlyHills85 info is correct, and you know that Malibu55 20:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

Isotope says you gonna post a solution, well we talked about the 5 added stats last night and I said if you had anymore questions about BeverlyHills85 edit we could discuss it, but Isotope23 acts like your gonna side with them or something, I don't know what's going on, but all BeverlyHills85 added material is correct, but if there is anything on those additions you have questions about, please say so and we can discuss it before coming to a conclusion, but if you have comfirmed it all already that's fine, once again thanks for looking into all of itMalibu55 20:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

I don't think there are "sides" here. most of these sites feed their info from another site, so if there are 5 that say one thing and 2 that say another, it doesn't make one more correct than the other. Listing both numbers with sources is a good solution for the time being until the sources can be reconciled.--Isotope23 20:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not siding with anyone - if anything, I'm siding with verifiability and accuracy of data. Hence the emails I've sent to NFL.com, ESPN.com, and PFR.com. As soon as I hear back from them, we will be able to confirm. As far as the additional statistics, since they are verifiable there shouldn't be a problem re-adding them to the article. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 20:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

So your waiting to hear back from them on the issue of whether the are 8,223 or 8,224 career attempts only, that's the only thing your waiting to hear from right, That's no problem to me, I wish all the sites had one or the other, how hard if it for them to call the Atlanta Falcons record books people and find whether he had 4 or 5 attemps with them in 1991, hopefully you get a definative answer from one of the three sites, and about adding the links to Brett Favre stats in the infobox stats section at the top side of the page, that shouldn't be a issue right, they reverted that also, it's a direct link to his stats at espn, SI and cbs sports, paytons page has it, Brett's should to, but my question was the only thing you waiting to hear from one of the three sites about is the attempts issue, 8,223 or 8,224, is that right? either way I just want it to be right also, but nfl.com run CBSsports and all the official sites of the 32 teams, including packers.com, so the reason those 3 say 8,223 is because they are all nfl.com sites, so either nfl.com made a simple error, or profootballreference.com, ESPN.com, SI.com, yahoosports.com and databasefootball.com are all wrong, I hope you find out, Thanks again, Malibu55 01:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

The infobox inclusion is something you will have to work out on the article talkpage with the other editors per WP:CONSENSUS and possibly log an request for comment if no agreement can be reached.--Isotope23 01:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

What is there to discuss in the talk page, they are three direct links to his stats, if you check the view source, under Stats there is a section for CBS, ESPN, and SportsIllustrated, all someone has to do is fill in the number, which is the link to the page, there is a section for it in the view source, all we have to do is add the number to the page, it's just a 4 diget number, why do you have to ask the others if they want it, the page was created for it, Peyton Manning's page has it, of course the public wants the extra three links, it's very useful, Thanks, Malibu55 02:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

• This entire discussion is better suited on the talk page, as it is a discussion concerning the content of an article. Please continue any relevant discussion concerning the Brett Favre article there. Thanks, PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 02:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

PSUMark2006 and Isotope23, User Starwars1955 requested a unblock request to his talk page at 06:57, 11 February 2007 which he has very right to do and user Yamla reverted it and fully protected the page for a month, this is unfair and users like King Bee and Yamla won't give this person a chance, and I would thing user Yamla actions are illegal, but you can look into it, I don't care either way, I'm just saying that the edits by BeverlyHills85 are correct and belong on the page, User:Malibu55|Malibu55 02:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

• First of all, stop reformatting your message just so you can get my attention. My patience is wearing thin on this matter as a whole and your actions in particular. Second, if you have an issue with a specific editor or administrator, I would suggest you post at the incident noticeboard rather than making accusations on the talk page of an editor who has absolutely no more powers than you have. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 02:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

My actions are wearing you thin, responding nicely to peoples posts here, the discussion is over anyway, let us know when you find out the correct number of attempts, I'm sorry I'm wearing you thin, no one else is for posting here but that's alright, Malibu55 03:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)malibu55

Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I, Ian Manka award this Working Man's Barnstar to PSUMark2006 for his tireless work in adding the {{collegebowl}} template to current college bowl articles. Thanks a lot! Your work doesn't go unappreciated. Keep up the good work! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 03:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

About Marching band

I just reverted past a number of your edits as they all appeared to be attempts to improve the Minnesota additions to the page. If any of your edits were otherwise worthwhile, by all means put them back. -- Upholder 17:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Oh absolutely, it was clear that you were trying to clean up after the other user.. I just reverted the whole mess and wanted you to know that if there was anything else you had added, it'd be reverted along with it. -- Upholder 18:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

As a huge fan of Penn State and the Blue Band I want to say congrats on the work you've done and the apparent end of your days in the Blue Band. ( Sad I am sure) I try to get to at least one Penn State Game a year and seeing the Blue Band is one of the highlights of my trip especially the pregame deal at the Jordan Center and the pregame performance. Anyway, I am writing about the 2007 Lions page, the schedule template is way better. I have updated the stats for the 2006 season after all the games since sometime in the beginning of the season. But I have been most busy creating articles for the List of Pennsylvania State Parks. I tried adding myself to the list of contributors but couldn't figure it out. Maybe I'll get to it later, but my main focus for now is getting these PA state park articles knocked out. Have a great semester, have fun, don't party too much. I know that if I had gone to Penn State instead of Shippensburg I would've flunked out! Dincher 00:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for adding me to the football list. Dincher 18:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Brett Farve photo

Finally a free image is found for Brett Farve, I was tired of deleting those AP copyvios. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 01:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Outstanding! - and ditto to that. We've got a photo we can keep on the page, now. Skybunny 04:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised that the image was taken by a member. Do you have a larger high-res version?++aviper2k7++ 21:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you have more? If you're willing to release them into the public domain, I bet we could get the Brett Favre article to featured status. –King Bee ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

De nada

Happy to help! Dppowell 21:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice work

Great work on all these PSU articles! Your images are especially helpful—finally we've got something of JoePa. I'd like to suggest, though, that you set up an account on Wikimedia Commons so that other projects can use your images as well (see Commons:First steps). Let me know if you need anything! --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 05:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

IP Edits to Gerald Ford

Hey, what was wrong with the following edit? [1]

I didn't really think it was vandalism, but I'd be interested in what you have to say. 06:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no it didn't. It wikilinked a piece of information that was already in the article. alphachimp. 06:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that I opened the figurative floodgates to IP vandalism. We'll see. No worries. You're doing a great job. alphachimp. 06:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Big Ten Conference

I notice the site you mentioned most of that text coming from has a copyright notice on it. As such, feel free to remove all text copied from it as it is a blatant copyright infringement. 68.39.174.238 14:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

To add on to that, thanks for pointing that out. I was going to look over the article today and saw the tag. Me and WP:BIGTEN will get right on fixing it. If you want to help out rewriting it that would certainly be helpful.--Wizardman 19:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Thanks for clearing the vandalism off of my talk page - I hadn't even noticed anything had been done until I happened to look at the history. I had given that user a warning for some vandalism he had done elsewhere; he must have held a grudge over it or something. Anyway, thanks again! Hersfold ^(talk|work) 03:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Keith Olbermann

Please explain to me how I was wrong in describing Keith Olbermann as an anti-American liberal. He has done nothing but rip every single conservative, republican or ANYONE resembling conservative or moderate thought (Bill O'Reilly, for instance). Now he's ripping 24 as "republican propaganda". Doesn't sound too objective to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.0.12.217 (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

bears

Dude. Relax. The game is virtually over. The Bears pretty much have won it. Stop reverting. It's futuile. Dr. Cash 23:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind the fact that with 2 minutes left to play, Da Bears are up 39-14. It's over, dude. Da Bears are going to the superbowl. Who gives a frack about "veritifiable facts," at this point. Dr. Cash 23:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

And now, it's officially over. Done. There's your, "veritifiable fact." Dr. Cash 23:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, First Time Here

Not exactly sure what the deal is here, i'll figure it out eventually

Take Care —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick7371 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

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Sorry

To be using your page as a medium for this discussion. At this point I'm done discussing it here and it can continue at the article talkpage. Thanks for your input regardless!--Isotope23 03:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Community ban

I have suggested that Starwars1955 be banned from the community. Please see this discussion. –King Bee ^{(T • C)} 15:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Response to Sockpuppets.

You said: We just completed a checkuser on starwars1955's multiple identities and turned up 25 additional users - see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser#Sockpuppets_of_starwars1955. Thanks, PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 02:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I responded with: Thanks. I saw Acalomari. Acalamari 02:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• I am glad this user has been blocked. It seems that Starwars1955 parodied/spoofed many usernames. Acalamari 03:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

CFB Coaching Record End

Could a flag be added to Template:CFB Coaching Record End so that if a coach didn't have conference or national titles, setting "nochamps=true" or something like that would not display the orange and yellow color code information? It should be on by default. Thanks. Also, all 5 talk pages should be consolidated to one of their pages (perhaps the start) to help consolidate discussion and provide a single location for the template talks. (All 5 are current non-existent though. 4 should just redirect to the other.) --MECU≈talk 18:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we still using Coaching Record though? I thought there was discussion about creating a Yearly Record template instead (see {{CFB Yearly Record Start}} and here for discussion). I haven't really done anything with the coaching record templates since I started work on the more generic/flexible templates. Regardless, I added a nochamps param that seems to do the trick. I'll work on the talk pages tonight. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 21:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Rick Santorum

Why the Santorum change? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.199.95.95 (talk) 04:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Please view Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. Maintaining the Savage wikilink is acceptable - anything further is unnecessary. Feel free to review previous discussions on the article's talk page. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 04:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

re Santorum -- the referenced link provided the verification necessary. Your edit was unnecessary and in contravention of Wikipedia policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.199.95.95 (talk) 04:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Your previous edits removed the link. My edit restored the article to a previous revision which included the link in its original form. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 04:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

'Delete and Merge'

I notice that you have marked several school articles as Delete and Merge. Unfortunately, thse are opposing actions. If a merge is carried out then a redirect needs to be set up in order to preserve the edit history for WP:GFDL reasons. Consequently the valid actions are Delete, Keep or Merge and Redirect. HTH TerriersFan 22:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry about that...thanks for the correction! — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 22:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Prescisive abstraction

I'm just wondering if there's some new style/directive on this. I mean, both links work. Did you change Charles S. Peirce to Charles Peirce just because of the redirect? But if "Charles S. Peirce" is more correct, or at least more specific... Just trying to understand... Shenme 04:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Mainly because I've been tracking the edits of an anon user who's been making dozens of unsubstantial edits with hints of vandalism and I saw this edit and reverted it. Feel free to change it back if you prefer - it really makes no difference to me. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

CFB Yearly Record

Hey Mark, I've been having a couple weird issues with your CFB Yearly Record set of templates. I took a look at the templates to see if I could figure it out, but it's too advanced for me right now. Dunno if you already knew about them or not, but I thought I'd mention it to see if you had a quick fix:

• The {{CFB Yearly Record Start}} template appears to be adding an extra break for the rivalry type. For example: {{CFB Yearly Record Start/Examples}} Governor's Victory Bell
• The {{CFB Yearly Record Entry}} template doesn't do the ranking2 column right if there's no value. For example: Penn State Nittany Lions football - I vaguely remember talking about this before, but I can't remember where.

Thx - Billma 23:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed the issue with {{CFB Yearly Record Start}}... I've been using standard HTML syntax because of the complexity of the parser functions in that template, so I tried replacing the <th></th> tags with Mediawiki syntax using {{!}}, but now, as you can see, it's adding additional space within the header cells themselves. I'm completely clueless as to why this is.

I tried to fix the ranking2 display issue in {{CFB Yearly Record Entry}} but it'll add another column if the table isn't using both polls (see, for example, Bobby Bowden). The only way I can think of to keep this from happening is to add yet another parameter to each entry, something like numpolls that would tell the template whether to add that second ranking cell or not. Wikipedia templates would be so much easier if you could make them nested or dependent on other templates in the page, but that seems to be the only way I can think of to fix it.

(On a side note, eventually we'll want to convert pages using the old {{CFB Coaching Record Start}} (et. al.) templates to this system.)

Hope this helps...let me know if you have any other ideas or suggestions. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 23:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

{{CFB Yearly Record Start}} is still a bit goofy with rivalries.. extra break in the Location header. For {{CFB Yearly Record Entry}}, I suggest having them both on by default. If they don't want the column, use "ranking = no" or "ranking2 = no", kinda like {{CFB Schedule Entry}}. - Billma 01:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure what's happening with Start... I'll look into it. I think I got the Entry template working with optional "no" values for ranking and ranking2. Penn State Nittany Lions football and Bobby Bowden (with ranking2=no added to each entry) seem to look fine now. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 01:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

So I'm trying out the templates for coaching records and am seeing some issues: 1. Although you can use "no" for conf on the Start and Entry templates, you can't do it for the Subtotal template. 2. Although you can use "no" for bowl on the Start template, you can't do it for the Entry template. 3. Although you can now use "no" for both ranking and ranking2 on Entry template, still can't turn off "Rank" in Start. 4. I'm getting an extra line break in the Entry overall column. See George Hoskins (coach). -- Billma 17:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I'm starting to get the hang of the markup language. I think I got all four of my suggestions working, but can you double check my changes to make sure that I'm not breaking anything that's not obvious (I double checked some of the existing pages that use the template and didn't see anything broken). Thanks! -- Billma 19:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

{{CFB Yearly Record Start/Examples}} has the common/"preferred" usage of the templating system and none of those examples appear to have been affected, so I think we're in business. Nice work figuring out those fixes! — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 22:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Relax

Everything I wrote on Urban Meyer is true. Read the Dec 20th New York Times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoover Ally (talk • contribs)

Then add specific citations and sources and write it in an encyclopedic fashion that doesn't suggest bias or a non-neutral point of view. Otherwise, whether it's true or not, it's non-encyclopedic and inappropriate for Wikipedia. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 15:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Question

Exuse me sir, but why was my edit removed? It was NOT an experiment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Masterg271 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

We don't place disclaimers on articles here. If you feel something is untrue, provide sources and verification to back up your claim, or discuss it on the article's talk page. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 23:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

{{Pennsylvania State University presidents}}

What exactly needs to be done with that? Sasquatch t|c 23:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• My fault, the one that needs speedied is {{Penn State University presidents}} due to the fact that I created the new one using the full name of the university. All transclusions of the old one have been removed. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Done! Happy editing :-) Sasquatch t|c 00:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Many thanks and sorry again for the confusion - I'll be a little more careful next time! :) — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated Stadium Capacity for you

I added some to your Stadium capacity page. I'd love for you to just put it out there and I'm sure people would add to it quickly (especially once football season starts. I'd like to add it as a link in several of my edits. BQZip01 17:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I think we should at least have a bit more content in the list before we create an article. After that, we can add {{Expand list}} and get the word out through the various college-related WikiProjects. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 17:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Age category

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The Phyrst

Hi, I was wondering if you could please remove the Phyrst from any deletion lists as I have update the page and answered everyones concerns on [2]. I cannot remove it myself due to Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ldg101 (talk • contribs)

• I'm not sure what "deletion lists" you're referring to. The deletion discussion at the page you linked will remain as a record of the discussion that occurred regarding the notability of the article. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 16:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
• Well, people keep deleting the Physt's page saying that the outcome of the discussion was to delete the page. But if you read the commentary, this is not true as much of the commentary no longer applies since I have updated the page of the last several days. I have never had this much trouble with a wikipedia page in my life. But, I must say, I have never have dealt with so many people who blatantly delete stuff without waiting for responses from people. People have jobs, school, etc. You cant just post a comment stating to delete the page, and then 2 hours later go and delete because no one has responded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ldg101 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say that "the outcome of the discussion was to delete the page." The result of the discussion was to redirect the page to State College, Pennsylvania. The page was not deleted at all. The page content was removed because it was necessary in order to create the redirect. Additionally, the "2 hours" comment is a bit inaccurate as well: the AfD discussion began on March 4 and completed on March 9, five days later.

I can understand many of your comments concerning the need to preserve the history of The Phyrst on a medium such as this - as a current Penn State student especially, I appreciate the local notability of the establishment. However, some, including myself, have concerns that notability doesn't extend beyond the boundaries of State College. If the bar has had a significant effect on the town of State College, that information should remain in the State College article.

I would urge you to reread Wikipedia's notability policy. While you have provided sources, I would point out that many of the claims made in the article are not supported by those sources (the entire section on Table Wars, for example: besides the fact that such a tradition exists, the SI article doesn't describe any of the details that you included and thus those details are a candidate for removal as original research. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 17:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

• How long have you been a student here? I was a Penn State tour guide for 4 years here during my undergrad and have heard numerous accounts of The Phyrst from alumni. Would it make sense to take all the content from The Phyrst webpage and put it into State Colleges, page? Adfter 7 years of schooling, two thesis, and three years in the 'real world' I dont think that makes sense. There are many more stories about how that bar is tied to Raytheon and famous musical groups. You need to let time go by so that people can add content to the page. As a former full-time penn state undergrad, I understand your concern about everyone putting up thier favorite bar wikipage and rightfully so. However, after working here in the 'real world' and being a 'towny' for 3 years, I understand the shift between the students and those who permanently live here. Theres a lot of things that go on in this town that have nothing to do with students at the university. Heck, theres a lot of stuff that goes on that you become aware of just by becoming a graduate student. Since I have played all three roles in the last 7 yeras, I guess I am stating that I do have authority in saying the page should stay as its a notable place to those inside and outside of state college. Can you even tell me what HRB is what it does? You need to some research on your own. The content for this page will come in time when people get time to add it in. That doesnt mean the page should be deleted. I bet no one deleted the Penn State page when it was in its infancy and had little content. How does the Blue Band get its own page. I bet it was started by a some physists who work for the fifth largets defense contractor in the world. Why dont you move that page under penn states page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ldg101 (talk • contribs)

Policy at Wikipedia states that if notability cannot be demonstrated through an inclusion of multiple independent authoritative sources and not through the inclusion of personal accounts or "real world experience", it cannot be included. I would hold the same position for any other article. I bet when the Penn State page was created it included authoritative sources that demonstrated its notability. Regardless, Wikipedia's policy on notability is satisfied for both the Penn State and Blue Band articles, so I fail to see your argument there. No one individual as "authority in saying the page should stay." Building the encyclopedia depends on consensus. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 19:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok

I see what you are talking about 71.99.83.251 18:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do send a message back

• Thanks for understanding. If you have any other questions, feel free to let me know. Happy editing! — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 18:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Phyrst

• I wouldnt need to delete things off the discussion page, if people wouldnt keep deleting the page even though I have corrected all the problems the page has had. Furthermore, simply redirecting the page to State College without copying over all of the citied content is irresponsible. Its clear from anyone doing this action, that they are trying to make a polical statement and are not concerned about preserving well cited information. If this action continues, I will have to report to. I have plenty of time to follow this through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ldg101 (talk • contribs)

Removing talk page messages and altering a completed AfD is not appropriate under any circumstances. Discussion on an article talk page is the only way to voice your concerns about decisions that have been reached via consensus. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 14:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit war

I was reading Lamest Edit Wars and came across the Brett Favre conflict, and I have to commend you on handling that extremely well.

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		PSUMark2006 went through the trouble of personally emailing the source's administration to get to the bottom of the Brett Favre Conflict, a discrepancy over one passing attempt (out of 8000+). This type of meticulous editing is what all Editors should strive to do. ALTON .ıl 05:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Audio clip and Image from "List of The West Wing episodes"

Hi, I was wondering why you deleted my edit of the Start Sequence Photo & Video... It says "removed audio clip and image with no fair use rationale provided", and I was wondering what was wrong with the current Fair Use info and if you could help me to fix it. Thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adammw (talk • contribs) 07:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC). P.S. I forgot to sign it... sorry! Adammw 08:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• Per the fair use criteria, "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." Simply including a link to a copyrighted audio clip when the theme music isn't being discussed in this article doesn't satisfy this criterion, in my opinion (others may disagree). Additionally, that clip had three fair use licensing tags on it, where only one is appropriate. Finally, in addition to the blanket fair use tags, you need to provide specific fair use rationale for why the uploaded content satisfies the criteria for fair use claimed by the particular licensing tag you're using. Hope this helps! — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 13:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits to Schlow Centre Region Library

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• Silly me, clicked the wrong button on the editing toolbar. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:CFB Yearly Record Start vs Template:CFB Coaching Record Start

I had been adding the Coaching templates to some coaches pages, when I noticed that the template said it was deprecated in favor of the Yearly template.

My question is, the coaches template had a column for Bowl Opponent, is there any way you could add that column to the Yearly template?Cogswobble 16:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• As a result of discussion over at WikiProject College football, I removed the bowl opponent and bowl outcome columns in favor of having one bowl-related column to provide summary information and a link to that bowl game's article where a year-by-year history of game results can be found. See Template:CFB Yearly Record Start/Examples for implementation examples and feel free to let me know if you have further questions about the template. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 17:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• • I looked at the discussion you linked, and didn't see any specific opposition to having the bowl opponent in there. Would you have any objections if I figured out how to add it back as an optional column? I added bowl information to a number of articles (for example Bear Bryant), and I kind of like seeing the opponents in there. Cogswobble 15:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Yeah, sorry about that, the discussion was here, about mid-way through the first main section, primarily AUTiger's remark on 23:09, 8 January 2007:

"Actually, that's one of my few issues with what is a generally kick-ass template; the weight given to bowl games. There are three separate columns to cover the bowl name, opponent and result - are all those really that important in a summary table? Can they be consolidated somehow? Of the three, opponent could be pretty easily dropped IMHO; let people click through to the bowl's article to find out the detail."

Of course, it might be wise to continue that conversation further since I would have liked more input from others involved in the project anyway. The main goal was to have a concise yearly summary, not to have to go into a lot of details. I can re-add that functionality if you'd like, though - I'm in class right now but will get to it first thing when I get back this afternoon, unless you'd like to have a go at it in the meantime. :-) — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 16:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I started a discussion here [3]. I'll be unwatching your userpage and looking there to continue the discussion. Cogswobble 17:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for your support in my RfA. I am glad I was helpful when dealing with that sockpuppet earlier this year. :) Acalamari 18:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)