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Jim: Thanks for reading my materials and I note your suggestion to get an "independent, reliable source." That is the National Press Club, the most prestigious journalistic group in the world. It has issued a formal statement on this matter. No one can be more objective. This is an extremely important topic because the NPC does not want anyone and especially PR people thinking that there is anything correct about a press boycott. It interferes with the free flow of information which is the main goal of Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is making a big mistake in rejecting what the National Press Club has to say. Its credibility is as high as that of any news organization or other organization in the world.
Cordially,
Jack Opjack271 (talk) 14:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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Your addition to Public Relations Society of America has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Phil: what if I re-write this and don't provide the complete documents? The National Press Club's criticism of the press boycott by PRSA should be part of the Wikipedia page about PRSA. How else can I get this important news on the PRSA Wikipedia write-up?
Cordially,
Jack O'Dwyer Opjack271 (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for airing grievances. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Chicago Tylenol murders edit
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Chicago Tylenol murders, you may be blocked from editing. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Phil: Thanks for your time in examining my submissions. However, I find it hard to believe that Wikipedia is completely ignoring "The Tylenol Mafia," which is one of the most thorough pieces of investigation I have ever seen. How can I get this book mentioned on Wikipedia? You note I am breaking rules about copyright and using multiple accounts (I don't know what that means since I only use my own opjack271 account). I would like you to tell me how I can present important information on two of your subjects that plead with users to send in materials? Cordially, Jack O'Dwyer Opjack271 (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
New Texas article dissolution edit
I'd suggest deleting your article which you've recently submitted for creation. It seems to be more of a news article than an encyclopedia entry. Things like ese tend to slow down the reviewing process, and I think it would help your standing and help keep the approval/declination process efficient if you deleted your article, or at least took it off the list.
Jack's response: This is far more than a news article but an example of how the internet and other forces are destroying PR groups that held in-person meetings. The article notes the demise of at least a dozen other groups. PR people and others will read this and come to understand the forces impacting on in-person, paid-for PR groups when there are in LinkedIn alone 58 PR/marketing/communications groups. PR people and newcomers to the field are struggling to understand these forces and decide what groups they should join.
The failure of a 58-year-old group is highly significant. Those editing my submission may not know much about the PR/communications field which now includes large numbers of journalists who have lost their jobs. I'm sure Wikipedia wants people to understand powerful forces at work today. Opjack271 (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
--Jack O'Dwyer
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- Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! sonia♫ 03:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- I assume you are the author of the blog post which this submission appears to be directly lifted from. Nevertheless, we cannot permit copyrighted content on Wikipedia: where authors contribute content published elsewhere, they have to explicitly give permission. In this case, though, the text as it stands is also not suitable for Wikipedia for a number of other reasons, so this process of obtaining permission would be a tedious task with no purpose.
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- I would recommend simply rewriting the submission to be about the association in general, as well, since "death of " or "dissolution of" articles are not suitable unless the event in question was notable and received significant coverage all of its own.
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Hi Sonia:
Thanks for your critique of my article although, naturally, I don't agree with it. I have been a reporter 54 years including four years at the Chicago Tribune and six at the former NY Journal-American as a financial writer. Since 1968 I have had my own company and we generate 30,000 to 40,000 unique visitors a month to our website, www.odwyerpr.com. We also publish a weekly NL and monthly magazine.
We are known as the "gold standard" in PR coverage since for 40 years we have ranked PR firms based on government documents such as top pages of income tax returns and W-3s showing payroll, lists of accounts, personnel, etc. Our Directory of PR Firms lists 1,700 firms. If you Google any PR specialty such as healthcare or financial PR, our rankings will be at or near the top.
So far four of my submissions to Wikipedia have been rejected or removed.
I have attempted to place materials on Wikipedia partly because it asks for more materials.
Your pages on PR Society of America, Accreditation in PR and the Chicago Tylenol murders are hugely deficient if not actually false and misleading.
I can't understand, either, your refusal to carry my story about the dissolution of the Texas PR Assn. after 58 years. This is a highly significant story, part of the trend for PR people to lose their in-person groups. You said I violate copyright but I don't know what you're referring to.
The page on PRSA has only 298 words, a bare bones description that does not begin to give the character of this 21,000 member organization that has a lot of influence on the flow of information in America. This country is in bad because of lack of information from the federal government and its regulatory bodies, Wall Street, bankers, real estate firms, etc. PR people are supposed to be providing information, not blocking it.
Wikipedia stands for more information so I'm perplexed at how you can block information.
There are at least 20 wrongful practices and policies of PRSA that are fully documented. It seems that Wikipedia editors do no research on their own but only rely on sources your editors deem acceptable or credible. The easiest way to check what I say below is to call Arthur Yann, VP-PR of PRSA at 212/450-1452 or e-mail him at arthur.yann@prsa.org.
I realize it's a holiday weekend but press works 24/7/365. I have to work all weekend for publication on Tuesday a.m. on our website.
The main abuse at PRSA is its domination since the mid-1970s by "accredited" members, meaning those who provide written answers to a series of questions about PR, provide materials they have allegedly worked on, and take a multiple-choice test, paying a total of $410. Only "APR" members can serve on the national board or as officers or serve on the Ethics Board. APRs dominate the nominating committee, holding 14 of the 19 positions in 2011.
The initial abuse is that prospective members are not told they cannot hold national office until they are APR. This is evident by studying the materials given to prospective members on the PRSA website (www.prsa.org).
One story among many that should be on Wikipedia is the struggle in 2010 by the Committee for a Democratic PRSA for the right of non-APRs to run for the board. Prominent members and leaders of the PR community headed this Committee including Richard Edelman CEO of the world's largest PR firm, Edelman. He has proven this by submitting extensive documentation of the firm's business in more than 20 countries. Edelman's volume in 2010 was $520 million. Also on the Committee was Arthur Stevens, former national treasurer of PRSA.
National leadership would not let the Committee e-mail this proposal to the 21,000 members although PRSA usually e-mails twice a day to that list (minus some opt-outs). Nevertheless, it obtained 450 signatures on its petition.
Although the Committee announced its intentions in April of 2010, the story was never covered in the online Tactics of PRSA and only made an inside story in October of that year. That was bald suppression of information in spite of the PRSA Code that says it champions the "free flow of truthful and accurate information." That is a weasel statement because it allows someone to say certain information is not "truthful and accurate." Information, ipso facto, is truthful or it wouldn't be information.
Also, truth in democracies is determined by vigorous public debate as in the 12 debates that Republican Presidential candidates just endured.
The bid to end the stranglehold that APRs have on PRSA leadership failed by a huge margin in October 2010. The 270-member Assembly that considered it is 75% APR by PRSA's own measurement. Since only 18% of current members are APR, the Assembly is not representative of the membership.
Up until 2005, members and the press could get a transcript of the all-day proceedings of the Assembly. Transcripts have been withheld since 2005 which keeps members in the dark about their own Assembly.
There is also no published national list of the Assembly delegates. Members don't know who the delegate are, what they say, or how individual members vote.
The Assembly, breaking one of the main rules in Robert's Rules, voted in 2009 to allow proxy votes and used 56 proxy votes to do that.
PRSA leadership put into effect draconian anti-press rules starting with the 2010 Assembly, forbidding reporters from taking pictures of the Assembly or recording any portion of it. There had been no such previous policy.
They went a step further in 2011 by forbidding all press coverage of the Assembly. I was barred and so were any other PR reporters. The minutes of this meeting have yet to be published although it took place Oct. 15, 2011.
PRSA's information-blocking includes refusing to let reporters join. We are not allowed to see any financial reports or the audit of the Society since they are available only to members. How can reporters cover PRSA if they are not allowed to see the quarterly and annual financial reports? The only time financials are publicly available is in Form 990 of the IRS which PRSA does not release until the end of the following year. So it takes nearly two years for them to get financial results.
Your pages on the Tylenol murders (the Bartz book presents evidence that the poisonings took place during the multi-stage distribution process), PRSA and Accreditation need extensive expansions to mirror reality. Wikipedia says it wants entries that are "encyclopedic" but the definition of that word is "in-depth," "exhaustive," "all-inclusive," "full," "vast," "thorough" and "all-embracing." Judging from your pages on Tylenol, PRSA and Accreditation, Wikipedia is anything but that.
All assertions by Scott Bartz or me can be easily checked with J&J or PRSA itself. That would be the quickest route. Your instructions say go to the "horse's mouth." That's where any opposition should come from. Double-checking what Scott Bartz or I say would not be an arduous task.
The experience of Bartz and myself is that such sources refuse to answer or even acknowledge receiving the questions. Maybe they will stonewall you also.
PRSA leaders in recent years have isolated themselves from the rank and file membership. 2011 chair Rosanna Fiske only visted two of the 110 chapter memberships, her own Miami chapter and Georgia. That was a record low. The 2010 chair, Gary McCormick, visted seven chapters. No elected chair of PRSA has addressed the New York chapter in more than 20 years. That is the biggest single-city chapter. Georgia is bigger but that is statewide and so is D.C. but that includes Northern Va. and Md.
As of July 28, Fiske blocked participants in PRSA "teleconferences" from asking any "live" questions. Participants were put in "listen-only" mode. This fact is easily checked. I did a blog on it in www.odwyerpr.com
Blatant anti-New York policies include evicting the NY chapter offices from h.q. in 1992 and moving h.q. to downtown New York in 2004 where it is unusable by New York members because of the nearly one-hour round-trip from midtown where almost all PR firms and many companies are based.
Although a New York location pulls the most attendees to a national conference, there has only been one New York national conference since 1990--the one in 2004. Next year's conference is in San Francisco and 2014 will be in Philadelphia (where it was in 2007). So there is one PRSA conference in New York in 23 years. PRSA staff refuses to say what cities have been picked for the future.
In a new instance of information-withholding, PRSA has yet to post the minutes of any of its four board meetings in 2011 nor any minutes of the 2011 Assembly.
Checking the facts listed above would be easy. Just forward this e-mail to william.murray@prsa.org, the full-time president and COO, or Mr. Yann at arthur.yann@prsa.org.
Cordially,
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Hello Wikipedia and especially my editor here, Phil Bridger: I'm being falsely accused of trying to put copyrighted material on Wikipedia. I don't think the Wikipedia editors understand copyright. Writers retain copyright even though they give it to media that are copyrighted. The writer can always sell or publish his or her article in any other media unless he or she has given exclusivity to the medium that published the article. In my case, I have the right to publish articles I wrote for www.odwyerpr.com anywhere else. Copyright laws do not prevent me from doing this. The issue here is that Wikipedia entries for Public Relations Society of America, Accreditation in Public Relations and the Chicago Tylenol murders are misleading if not false in many respects. The 298-word description of itself by PRSA only scratches the surface of what is going on at this hugely influential organization. Its members influence the flow of information in America. Also, your guidelines prohibit organizations from describing themselves and you plead for someone to add copy to this entry. My attempts to do so have been rebuffed for what I feel are improper reasons. Am I correct in thinking that Wikipedia does no independent research of its own? You would not call PRSA VP-PR Arthur Yann or e-mail him (arthur.yann@prsa.org) for his statements on what I bring up? Wikipedia requires "notability" and "reliable" sources but those two terms are highly subjective. Truth and accuracy are often hammered out in public debate. Also, quite often the different parties involved will never agree on what is the truth. Different sides have to give it their best and let the public decide. Cordially,
Jack O'Dwyer Opjack271 (talk) 16:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedia:
The Tylenol Mafia today (Jan. 16, 2012) is listed as No. 1 in terms of sales on "Best Sellers in Law Ethics and Professional Responsibility" on amazon.com. It gets five stars. This is not a client of mine. It shouldn't matter. Someone from WP should get this marvelous piece of research (619 pages) and read it. It's only $9.99 via Kindle. Author Scott Bartz has prepared materials for WP but has not placed anything so far. This is a controversial subject but so are a lot of important subjects. Opjack271 (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the material you left on my talk page, but I am unconvinced that it is appropriate for Wikipedia. I understand that you are in a dispute with a PR organization, but we would need significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to cover this matter in Wikipedia. Perhaps it might be more appropriate for Wikinews? At first glance, I do not see encyclopedic material here, although you may well be correct in the dispute. However, it seems clear to me that you are heavily involved and have a stake in the matter. The success of Wikipedia is built on the editorial judgment of independent reliable sources and uninvolved neutral editors. Please feel free to bring links to independent sources to my attention. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Jack,
One of your comments above leads me to believe that you may not understand Wikipedia's well-established policies on copyright. Other than brief "fair use" excerpts, copyrighted material can't be used in Wikipedia unless it is released under an acceptable Creative Commons license freely allowing re-use by others. You can't put it on Wikipedia and retain a more stringent copyright elsewhere. You have to formally and legally release it under Creative Commons. This is a 100% free encyclopedia with very limited "fair use" exceptions. Long blocks of copyrighted text won't fly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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