Obstacle
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Unfortunately, you seem to have jumped right into an Edit war. Please be aware that it is considered very bad form to repeatedly revert other editors' contributions, and editors who do that habitually or who do it more than three times in 24 hours on one article may get blocked from editing. The particular sentence in Thessaloniki, and our treatment of the subject of Macedonia in general, is the result of a huge amount of prior discussion, so it might be better for you to make yourself acquainted with the status quo before attempting big changes in that field. Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Hello again. I'm afraid you've now broken the three-revert rule, so in theory someone could now come and block you any time, but I guess they won't do that as you are a "newbie". But please. As a lot of pages here on wiki explain, Macedonia is both an independent country and a subdivision of Greece. We can talk about how best to disambiguate which of the two is mentioned, but your insistence not to mention it at at that point in the article really makes no sense. Can you please go to the talk page Talk:Thessaloniki and argue your case there, instead of reverting? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I don't think anybody here has a problem with the Republic of Macedonia being the independent state that it is. But the issue about the Thessaloniki article wasn't related to the Republic at all, but to the Greek province, which just happens to share the same name. Our established practice here on Wikipedia is to refer to both entities with the name they use for themselves, and to just add whatever qualifier is necessary for disambiguation. Thus, "the Greek region of Macedonia" etc. is perfectly fine, in those context where that province is what's being talked about. Don't you agree with that? -- By the way, if you want to see how intensely these things have been discussed, just go and have a look at this draft styleguide. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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- If you're interested specifically in contributing to Balkan-related topics, you might want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Bulgaria and Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece, they have some good ideas on useful things to do here and there. Apart from that, just be BOLD and edit away! :-) (But if you can foresee your edits might be contentious, better make sure you use the article talk pages and seek consensus through discussion.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I don't think anybody here has a problem with the Republic of Macedonia being the independent state that it is. But the issue about the Thessaloniki article wasn't related to the Republic at all, but to the Greek province, which just happens to share the same name. Our established practice here on Wikipedia is to refer to both entities with the name they use for themselves, and to just add whatever qualifier is necessary for disambiguation. Thus, "the Greek region of Macedonia" etc. is perfectly fine, in those context where that province is what's being talked about. Don't you agree with that? -- By the way, if you want to see how intensely these things have been discussed, just go and have a look at this draft styleguide. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)