User talk:NikoSilver/Argumentation on the Macedonian dispute

Be nice, all of you. Don't WP:BITE (new articles too!) NikoSilver 14:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha! I think we better add something in there before reverting huh? NikoSilver 00:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL, UN zone. Like this "UN zone"? - Francis Tyers · 00:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Не разбирам, зборувај скопјански ;-) //Dirak 00:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

To Fran (not to the other Skopjan-speaking troll -and not that this excludes you from being one too :): I thought I'd say smthng clever to justify your reversals (mine was just aiming for that edit-summary). How about we add something in this article? :-) NikoSilver 00:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

:)) - Francis Tyers · 00:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

(...or me) NikoSilver 00:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, theres a start :) - Francis Tyers · 00:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I see Francis has gotten all whiny again. It's these people who fancy themselves as liberals who think they are supporting human rights by supporting the likes of FYROM and TRNC (and other pseudo-states). Supporting the former (particularly their version of hisotry) is a slap in the face of common sense (I mean LOL - that bit about the ancient Macedonians never having been hellenized, the existence of a distinct Macedonian [i.e. slavicized ancient Macedonian] as opposed to Bulgarian [i.e. slavicized Tatar] ethnicity onwards which was being oppressed by sub-Saharan savages and their church, and all the other nonsense). Supporting the likes of the latter of course is supporting drug smuggling, prostitution rings and torture (they are not really an issue here). Tell me your opinion on something Francis. A few years ago the legislature of the State of California passed a resolution saying that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. The FYROM response was that doing so violated the human rights (self-determination - advice: look it up) of the modern "Macedonians" (of the FYROM variety presumably)! They even cited the "everyone has a right to a nationality" bit (remember all the resolution did was make a statement of opinion on history)! Regardless of the merits of the resolution itself (which personally I find silly), what of you think of that particular counter argument. These guys seem say that every time someone disagrees with their view, their right to self-determination is being violated (usually on the behest of the Big Bad Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs, or the Evil Terrorist Albanians). Funny how self-determination doesn't apply the the population of Tetovo and Gostivar (overwhelmingly Albanian). Even the suggestion that they join Kosovo if it becomes independent is blasphemous talk. I'm not going to mention the old card of the feelings of the Greek Macedonians on the issue who are being marginalised. Apparently only certain people are entitled to all human rights, everyone else is expected to forfeit at least some of them. //Dirak 00:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Liberal? Moi? Shurely Shome Mishtake. You aren't arguing against me, everything you've outlined above is dealt with in my text. You are arguing against some ficticious hyper-nationalist Macedonian (much in the manner that one might burn a strawman when you can't find a real witch). - Francis Tyers · 01:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, Franciscule, your on-wiki performance demonstrates unproportionate tolerance for FYROM POV. What I'm thinking of is suppressing the fact that the bilingual population of northern Greece can legitimately call their language Slavomacedonian from the main article on that on Wikipedia (apparently they are not allowed to self-identify if their identification is not compatible with the approved doctrine), to people from FYROM who feel threatened if Greeks also call themselves Macedonian [1] (I suppose Bomac is in the small minority you mention). //Dirak 01:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're just going to have to try harder... (btw, did you ever try 4chan?) - Francis Tyers · 01:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

From Kurdistan Workers Party:

# (cur) (last)  01:38, 16 December 2006 Francis Tyers (Talk | contribs) (supressing truth)
# (cur) (last) 01:35, 16 December 2006 Hoopslama (Talk | contribs) m (corrected eronious errors.)

I just can't stop! - Francis Tyers · 01:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hah! just checked history there! NikoSilver 01:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict -d'uh, not with myself) Goatse was a nice addition to this article. I'm interested to find out how we're going to counter-source the first sentence in User:NikoSilver/Argumentation on_the Macedonian dispute#Arguments_in_favour of_the_position_of_the_country_which is_not_Bulgarian.2C Greek.2C_Albanian_or Serbian.2C_but_tries_to steal_their_National Heroes_.28Big_Alex.2C Gotse_Delchev.2C_Kraljevic_Marko_and Scanderbey.29 and_Land_.28I don.27t_need_to explain_this one.29. Maybe Фраnchс can do it, since he appears to consider Dirak's approach as belonging to a "ficticious hyper-nationalist Macedonian". I'd love to see a source for the other version. You know, maybe a schoolbook or a government publication or a site or something. I'll even settle for userpages here... NikoSilver 01:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll even settle for unofficial sites by anyone. Come on! I'm sure you can find maybe one! NikoSilver 02:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Two points

1. No Francis, you're wrong. The majority in Greece and FYROM are nationalistic. It's only the so-called "anti-nationalists" who you are describing (in Greece for example, they support recognizing FYROM as "Macedonia", recognizing a "Macedonian minority" and giving half of the Greek islands to Turkey - in FYROM no doubt, they probably support accepting the compromise name of "Slavomakedonija" or something like that and reverting to the original Bulgarian alphabet for their language).
2. Why are you comparing Gotse Delchev with Thomas Paine. I prefer to compare him with Ibrahim Rugova - the situations are identical (except with one failed attempt to draw a distinction [2]).

//Dirak 11:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)