User talk:NicoV/Archive 2022

WikiCleanerBot made an error

In this edit WikiCleanerBot changed a link to a project page from an external link to an internal link. However per WP:SELFREF, self-referential links should be formatted as external links. To avoid this happening again the bot should not change external links to internal links if either of the following apply:

• The link is in an "External links" section
• The link is from the mainspace to a Wikipedia: space page and is not in a hatnote (most such links are going to be errors, the ones that aren't should be formatted as external links. Thryduulf (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Thryduulf. Sorry, but I don't understand your reasoning. What is wrong with using {{srlink}} for such links? I don't see where in WP:SELFREF it is said that real external links should be used. I tried using it and it seems correct. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 19:00, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I didn't know that template existed, and the bot didn't use it - it converted the link to an internal one. Unless there is some advantage to using the template over a normal external link (none is apparent to me, the template documentation doesn't mention any and indeed formatting external links as if they were internal ones feels rather misleading) then changing an external link to a {{srlink}} one would be purely cosmetic so my above notes stand. Separately I'm also disappointed to see that the bot is neither exclusion compliant nor capable of detecting when it was reverted so that it doesn't repeat its errors. Thryduulf (talk) 19:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Wrong "missing end italics" fix by WikiCleanerBot

Hi! In this edit, in the "Tracey Takes On..." line, the bot added the missing italics at the end of the table cell. While this does fix the missing italics, it's incorrect in context, because the "(TV series)" part of that cell should not be italicized. I've been fixing missing end tags quite a bit lately, and in my experience, many of them need to be fixed by hand, because there's too much context for a bot to take into account. --rchard2scout (talk) 10:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi rchard2scout. For the missing end italics, my bot only add them in a limited number of situations and I think most of the replacements are correct, and if not, they should keep the current formatting. I think stopping such changes will prevent many good edits simply to avoid edits that don't do the correct fix but don't harm the article either. Is there any simpler restriction that could be added (like the presence of parenthesis) ? --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 17:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Wrong removal of links in citations

 Resolved

Hi, your bot just performed this edit ([1]) where it removed some circular links. While it is sometimes okay to remove circular links, please don't do that if:

a) the link carries some #fragment extension,

b) or if it is in a CS1/CS2 citation template and either pointing straight back to the current article (regardless if with or without #fragment targets),

c) or if it is in a CS1/CS2 citation template and is pointing to a redirect marked with {{R with possibilities}}.

In this case, b) applies. In CS1/CS2 citation templates, it is perfectly okay to have and keep such circular links: CS1/CS2 will automatically handle this case, so such links won't show as links (just as text) in the citation and they won't be displayed in boldface (as it would happen outside of citation templates). They also won't pullute the meta data. So, keeping such links in the citations does not in any way harm in the article, but it makes it easier for editors to reuse the citation in other articles, because if such a citation is copied to another article (where the link would be no longer circular), the link would become active. This is a quite common case, as citations are often first created in articles about a particular topic (where the link would be circular) and then later reused in other not-so closely related articles (where the link would not be circular). So, removing the links in this case is not an improvement and is actually sand in the gear for those who want to do quality article work. Thanks.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 11:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Matthiaspaul. I wasn't aware of such use case. I will see if I can prevent the replacement and detection in CS1/CS2 templates. For info, the templates only hide the bold part, but the generated HTML still contains <a class="mw-selflink selflink">Edition Leipzig</a>. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 18:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Matthiaspaul. I've modified WPCleaner to ignore circular links in CS1/CS2 citation templates. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 15:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, that's cool. Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry

I made a mistake. Dash John (talk) 22:59, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

RLO

In this instance, we really need the Unicode RLO that your bot removed. Please fix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yaacov_Choueka&diff=1081753904&oldid=1081246236

-- Vonfraginoff (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the report Vonfraginoff. I will look into my code on what I can do to avoid this. I think you can prevent my bot doing this either by moving the RLO close to the hebrew text (currently it's probably between ASCII letter and whitespace) or use another notation making the RLO visible using ‮. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 09:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikicleanerbot and State-sponsored terrorism

Hi NicoV. I've just had to revert Wikicleanerbot at State-sponsored terrorism. I'm not sure what happened, but it deleted 163kb of text with the summary "Reference before punctuation". I'm guessing it was unable to save the re-addition properly as there was a link to a blacklisted site (worldaffairsjournal.org). - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification ActivelyDisinterested. I'm guessing the following happened :

• Sometimes, when the network connection fails when saving a page in WPCleaner, MW still saves the page even if it didn't receive the full text (I think it's a MW bug, but they don't seem to agree) => this probably accounts for the first edit
• WPCleaner knows that the connection failed, so it tries again => this probably accounts for the second edit for which the connection failed again
• WPCleaner have retried several times, but the blacklisted site prevented to fix the previous edits.

I don't know how I can really prevent that... I have to find a way so that network failures don't end up in a truncated page in the first place. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 11:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok. I was wondering why the bot sometimes deleted chunks of text and then re-added them, and that explains it. As the rollback fails could it be logged somehow so that it could be corrected manually? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 11:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Latest stable software release/Jmol

Template:Latest stable software release/Jmol has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 07:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Re. Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/WPC 092 dump

Hello!

Is it possible for the bot to equate the == Summary == and == {{int:filedesc}} == headings? Also the == Licensing ==, == Licensing: ==, == {{int:license}} == and == {{int:license-header}} == headings? There are a few heading doubles that aren't picked up right now. Jonteemil (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonteemil. I've done a first step by ignoring ":" at the end of the title, it should be visible in the next dump analysis. I will think about a more general approach for the == {{int:filedesc}} == and similar. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 17:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks.Jonteemil (talk) 21:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonteemil. I've managed to run an update on the dump analysis, the colons at the end of titles are now ignored. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 07:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Sharksploitation

Thank you Machine for your edits. Unfortunately whenever I try to put the link in as an internal link it replaces the text as a box with a number in it, so i have been relying on you, Bot 203.206.97.177 (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

WCB error on T20

 Resolved

Hi Nico. Found an interesting edge case here. Seems that when the name half of a datalist entry spans multiple lines, WikiCleanerBot fails to recognize that the colon is serving a syntactic function rather than being punctuation, leading the bot to move a reference to the start of a line. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 16:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tamzin, and thanks for the report. I think I fixed this edge case, it should not happen anymore. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 18:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

CW#61 Reference before punctuation (in Ultraviolet/Optical Telescope)

In https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultraviolet/Optical_Telescope&type=revision&diff=1122741377&oldid=1122107035&diffmode=source it seems like the sentence is actually referring to the reference itself ("as outlined by [ref]"), and so putting the reference after "." is more confusing. To be honest I'm not sure what to do here (though I added a comment in between to prevent).  AltoStev (talk) 03:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

It was a GIGO error. The problem was that the sentence made no sense as written. I have edited it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:20, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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References in reference section

In this edit the bot removed blank space between references in an article. The problem is that these uses of <ref> are in the reference section, within a {{reflist}} template, where the blank space has no effect but makes the wikicode easier to read. The bot should probably exclude such cases (perhaps halting its search at the references section and/or a reflist template would be the simplest fix?). – Reidgreg (talk) 02:09, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Reidgreg. There was a extra dot in the middle of the references, I just fixed it. Indeed, the bot shouldn't have done the edit, but I think it's a very rare, only happens if there's a punctuation which should be there. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 19:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)