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Your submission at Articles for creation: Pallab Bhattacharyya (February 1)

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Nomination of Raghunath Behura for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Raghunath Behura is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raghunath Behura until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark:, again? :) No issue. The Intelligence Bureau, RAW, NSG and State Intelligence are important/top Law enforcement agencies of India. The subject person was the ADG of the Intelligence Bureau at the time of his death. He had 5 more years of service, in which any IPS officer gets DG rank. :) --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 23:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: Have you not learned the discussion is not here? It is where it is at the link. If you feel I am harrassing you there is ANI, but be aware I am tracking a copyvio of an image on this article. Removing the notability tag by your own judgement has created the trigger point for an AfD. The article was to a degree protected for a while with that in place. The AfD will confirm whether or not you were correct in removing it. Add additional delsorts if you wish. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: I have replied already there. The reply here is just a friendly reply. :) --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 23:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pallab Bhattacharyya (IPS)

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NeverTry4Me - TT Page 11:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominate for AfD check. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 11:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Pallab Bhattacharyya for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pallab Bhattacharyya is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pallab Bhattacharyya until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 5

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Anya Lahiri, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page The Telegraph.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:59, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

• FIXED. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 06:21, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive editing and !vote interference

You're fully entitled to change your account but its important to change your signature and it probably important to just openly admit that in discussions your currently involved in. What is not acceptable is to interfere with another's !vote, as per this edit some two hours ago. Quite frankly with other problematic contributions you need to slow down. Quickly. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: fixed. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Its still disrupted and you are still gaining an advantage. So fix it! But don't alter any of my entries in the process. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 02:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: If I delete old signature and use new one, it will also change the dates too. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: I have fixed my signature in my all vote related pages. You can check and confirm now. Also please inform if I need to update my signature in delete discussion which are closed with result. Thank you. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:00, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

If all else fails please read and it probably important to just openly admit that in discussions your currently involved in. You also seem happy to go around disrupting other's !vote. Suggest you ask at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

My dear @Djm-leighpark:, nothing failed. Even so, I have done as per guidance in WP:TEAHOUSE. Thank you brother. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 08:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Djm-leighpark:, I have done all the correction with my updated Username, and now no 'disrupting other's !vote' issue. I have addressed and fixed in my all VOTE related discussions. Please check my activity. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 08:35, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. The thread is Draft:Sanjib Baruah. The discussion is about the topic Draft:Sanjib Baruah. Thank you. —Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

• COI/UPE doesn't attract me @Djm-leighpark: as I have adopted my late father's non-corrupt ideal. I strongly deny such basless allegations. Such allegation are totally baseless and presumption of a few corrupt editors. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 08:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Job Titles

I noticed you've been capitalizing job titles. Please note that MOS:JOBTITLES states the titles should be lower case with specific exceptions as noted in the guidelines. Thanks. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 02:49, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Designation pages have capitalized letters, so I did. My apology, if that created any rule break. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

  It did break the rules. Not a major issue. I just wanted to get to you before you did a lot more changes. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 03:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you for notifying me. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse

While being a Teahouse is not a requirement for replying to queries at Teahouse, please limit your responses to queries where you are sure that you know the correct answer. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• I have stopped. Thank you for informing me. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Relation with Times of Assam/Arunodoy Consultancy Services

I don't know if this has been asked, but since your earlier username is very similar to Arunodoy Consultancy Services and you've added a number of refs to Times of Assam (which is managed by ACS), can you clarify your relationship with those companies? Hemantha (talk) 10:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear @Hemantha:, the name "Arunodoy" is too common in India as you know (meaning sunrise, in Bihar, Maharastra, etc too). You can check this. I was a fan of Indian model Arunodoy Singh, and signed up as "Arunudoy" (as Arunodoy nick was not available). Rest about your query, I have been double accused already as Arunodoy Asom and the concern raised by you. Having a similar nick doesn't mean that I am affiliated with them. My Before, this has been used in many North-east Indian-related Wiki pages, even before my sign-up, hence I also inclined to take a few. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 12:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

No, Times of Assam hasn't been used in many wiki pages. This search tells me that it's used in only 50 pages currently. But in your own creations, it is very frequent (1, 2, 3, 4, 5). From this list of your page creations, I think almost all recent mainspace articles from you reference that site.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm asking a simple question which I note you've not answered at all. Are you related to them in any way? It doesn't necessarily have to be in a paid sense. Hemantha (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear @@Hemantha:, as I said, "...I was a fan of Indian model Arunodoy Singh, and signed up as "Arunudoy" (as Arunodoy nick was not available)..", I guess that addresses your concern. Rest about the word/phrase Arunodoy/Arunoday and my previous username, which I have already addressed in ANI which was resolved a few days before. Mate, there have been lots of controversies about my username, I had to change my username. Thank you. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 12:35, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

See this is simple. I'm not asking about anything else. Just answer this question - in yes or no only: Are you in any way related to Times of Assam? I note that you created an article for it. Hemantha (talk) 12:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hemantha:Straight answer: NO. I don't belong to the Assamese community nor I understand their native language. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 12:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hemantha:, for simple logic, I have created a wiki page about former NSG chief Jayanta Narayan Choudhury which was nominated for deletion, and the result was KEEP, can you find any mention about him in the newspaper you claimed? No, you won't. Things are simple like that. We live in a world where we are unable to trust even our own shadow. Hope you will understand, friend. Thank you. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 12:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

(moving comment inserted between my earlier comment. Hemantha (talk) 14:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC) )

Dear @@Hemantha:, please check the pages as per This search, and you will find no edit by me in more than 98% instead of link fixing as I am doing in other pages with other links too. Hope we are not misunderstood. Rest about (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), I could have used Books/Journals, but Wiki suggested me news, so what can I do? Please tell me. You are free to replace with other sources claiming the subject in a similar manner. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 13:12, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

1. Don't change or insert your text into my comments. See WP:TPG 2. Indent your comments properly. And most importantly

3. Don't be disingenuous. There are 50 pages using "Times of Assam" references. Just from 1 page of your page creations, I find 5 of those to be yours. Wiki doesn't suggest anything, you chose to link to "Times of Assam". Hemantha (talk) 14:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Dear @@Hemantha:, it's straight and simple- I simply went through Google search for the sources and whichever source gave more coverage, I used. Rest, about Wiki suggestion, I meant the "notability alert box" where Google search and News are the first two in the line, thus finding that Times of Assam(As I saw this media is used as a source of wiki context, I tried to create a wiki page for that, but got deleted. And yes, it is obvious that when a user creates a page here and gets nominated for deletion, the user tries to defend from deletion. Kindly note that I have made expanded edits to other media too.). Hope this clears now. Anything more I shall clarify? --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 21:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• Dear @@Hemantha:, to extend more, the issue you have raised is already fixed by the Administrator's intervention in here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kumud_Das_(3rd_nomination). I am tired of facing same allegation again and again. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 00:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• @@Hemantha:, Also I have used The Indian Express citations in more than hundreds of my edits, and I am an Indian. Per your logic, am I related to the Indian Express? Also, I have used the Book 'Confronting the State: ULFA's Quest for Sovereignty' as a citation in most edits. Per your say, I should have COIN with that Book or its writer. So it? No. Again, I was earlier faced the same issue on the Wiki of Sanjib Baruah, who doesn't have even any coverage. What made you believe that I am related to your mentioned things? Only the Wiki nick's similarity with some subject?? Per your logic, do you have COIN any anyone here in Wiki whose name is "Hemanta" or "Hemant"? Come on, nick is nick, my bad is I did not pick any alien nick or 'no meaning' nick. For that, I shall not be forced to accept like "after having a cup of tea, forced to have pizza". Thank you. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 00:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

• Dear @Hemantha:, have I addressed your concerns, or yet there are more to be addressed? I am not sure why users are accusing me as 3 real persons (which is more than a joke). Kindly reply. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 08:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

  Don't spam him with pings, if he wants to respond, he will. If I were take everything you have said above at face value, it still doesn't explain how you have ended up with such a disparity in cites to mainstream Assamese newspapers and the Times of Assam. Are you consciously trying to use Times of Assam more or trying to cite to certain outlets less? If so, why?

  There is per se nothing wrong with doing either, just that now that it has led to suspicions of COI on you, you need to be honest about it otherwise you'll just get into more trouble. If you like the news outlet or think it is more trustworthy than the others then that's okay, but if you have a conflict of interest then you need to disclose it. COI is not necessarily financial, it could be arise out of relations such as family members or friends at the news outlet. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 03:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Tayi Arajakate I am sorry for the excessive use of ping. Kindly try to understand my situation, where I am not affiliated but I am accused of being. For citation, like others, I used Google search about the subject and used citation that covers the subject. Regards --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  How would I understand your situation if you don't even answer my question? See, here's the problem if you used Google search about Assamese subjects, your results would not be dominated by Times of Assam but by the mainstream Assamese news outlets like The Sentinel, The Assam Tribune, Guwahati Plus, etc (unless you added "times of assam" in the search query). So how have you ended citing more to that outlet in specific without a conscious effort to do so? Tayi Arajakate _Talk 05:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• I have mostly created and made edits edited pages on Militancy related Wiki pages. I have rarely or nothing I found anything in The Sentinel and The Assam Tribune (This might be their Online editions have been vastly changed in past years for several times). But I have used The Indian Express and Books for citation mostly than claimed Times of Assam. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 05:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Robin Hibu moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Robin Hibu, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

ANI response needed

Hi again. Look, I need for you to respond to my ANI query (diffs: [1] [2]) before you do anything else. So please do not continue editing while the matter remains outstanding. Thanks again. El_C 11:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Indefinite block

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for disruptive editing. I'm sorry, NeverTry4Me, but not just you ignoring my above instruction, but also even a cursory glance at some of your recent contributions, all point to gross incompetence. At this point, you will need to provide sufficient assurances that you will correct these issues if your editing privileges are to be reinstated.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

El_C 11:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NeverTry4Me (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I am surprised that @El C: haven't waited for my reply. Moreover, in here I was asked to stop commenting by scope_creep. Hence I was stuck at mid as "where to go, what to do". Regarding reply to your question, I was unable to use the "diff" to attach for a little technical reason. Otherwise, I wouldn't have reported the spam which Admin themselves acted on it quickly. Some of my edits are disputed, but not intended for violation of rules. I shall be allowed to address and edit as I have been volunteering for Wikipedia since 2014. Again, I tender my apology for my mistakes/wrongdoings and appeal to remove the block and allow me to continue in good faith. I shall follow with Competence and other Wiki rules. Regards NeverTry4Me - TT Page 21:34, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

No point to leaving requist open after talk page access revocation. — Daniel Case (talk) 07:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

• (Non-administrator comment) I was unable to use the "diff" to attach for a little technical reason. What technical reason? I'm sure there wasn't any outages during that time that left editors unable to view diffs. Do you have a screenshot of the problem? At the moment, this reason is somehow very unconvincing, but I'll leave that to whatever admin reviews your request. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 00:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Also, I don't recall scope creep ever saying to you not to comment on the ANI thread. Can you provide a diff for that, too? Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 00:58, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I am surprised that @El C: haven't waited for my reply — oh, I waited, but you just kept on editing. El_C 01:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• El_C, you just blocked me within 40 minutes, of "no-reply".
• TheDragonFire300, in this diff he said "@NeverTry4Me: Can you please let folk talk about this ..." which I understood as to stop commenting and letting others comment. Next, Tthere was no outage, but I was unable to find the "diff" from history and was studying if Admin deleted it from the talk page or reverted it. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• That diff was a warning against flooding the discussion with your points in an attempt to change the discussion course (aka bludgeoning), not a prohibition against you commenting at all. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 02:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• My bad, I understood as he asked me to stop and to allow others as I was replying everyone. I thought I was asked to stop because my replies seems flooding. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

That's right, 40 minutes, during which you kept making multiple edits. Not sure why you are conflating a suggestion by a non-admin in a discussion at WP:COIN, with my instruction to you, both at WP:ANI and here, but all of it further illustrates to me that you lack the required competence to edit here at this time.

Look, NeverTry4Me, it isn't that complicated. This wasn't about just this one incident, but this was the final straw: you made a comment at WP:ANI#Please look out cross-wiki abuse and LTA User:米記123 sock DE and spam 3. It read: Sorry, I am not aware nor do I have any knowledge about this. I can't help you (diff). That baffled me. It continues to baffle me. You cannot explain yourself cogently, you cannot provide the evidence that would help explain yourself cogently, and frankly, it's a time sink, still. El_C 02:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Dear El_C, I am really still unable to find the history of WP:ANI#Please look out cross-wiki abuse and LTA User:米記123 sock DE and spam 3 from my talk page. If this justifies the block, then let me stay with the block. Wikipedia should be as it is, even if I need to stay away from it for lifetime. I will not have to a bad feeling if my block will not be removed. But, what can I do, I am speaking the truth that I am unable to find the diff of WP:ANI#Please look out cross-wiki abuse and LTA User:米記123 sock DE and spam 3. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Yet again, what does that ANI thread have to do with your talk page? I keep asking, but you're giving me nothing but obfuscation, it seems. It's bizarre. Also, you are not reading closely. I've written mere minutes ago about how This wasn't about just this one incident. And it wasn't. Because right before registering my puzzlement with that (diff), whatever that was, I warned you against casting aspersions in the thread you started titled WP:ANI#Single_purpose_account_of_User:GeezGod (diff).

Look, NeverTry4Me, there isn't jurisprudence that I know of anywhere in the world that allows for un-evidenced allegations. And when someone whom you accuse of something requests evidence, yet you respond with a belligerent you are not into discussion but into harass and personael attack. I am not going to reply as of now (diff), that's a major problem, doesn't matter the platform. Anyway, at this point, I'm probably gonna stop engaging, since I have very little confidence that it'll accomplish anything. El_C 03:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Dear El_C, ANI is addressed in my talk page here. Next, GeezGod made personal attack against me and some Admin suppressed and reverted some of his edits after blocking him. As I see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/GeezGod, his logs are plausibly deleted by Admin, how can I now address harassment diffs? I can not, as I am a normal user.
• About WP:ANI#Please look out cross-wiki abuse and LTA User:米記123 sock DE and spam 3, it looked like spam and, in good faith, I reported. If I would know reporting that is a violation, I wouldn't have done that. I was in Wikipedia for more than 7 years, and made no similar mistakes, except failing to cite properly in articles. And about "competence" failure, yes I admit that I failed to reply in a proper way. Whatever mistake I have done, I have admitted, but the COIN (which I am not) issue made me suffer a lot. (Per COIN allegation, if I accept I am involved in COIN, that would be a clear lie which I can not do). --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• GeezGod made personal attack against me and some Admin suppressed and reverted some of his edits after blocking him. None of GeezGod's edits have been revdel'd nor suppressed. Have you got any evidence to suggest otherwise? Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 03:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

TheDragonFire300, it's hopeless. I'm ready to revoke talk page access at this point. El_C 03:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• I'm planning on leaving one last message to him, to try just one last time to refocus this unblock request on, well, getting unblocked. If they miss the point... let's say that's it. (Non-administrator comment) Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 03:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

TheDragonFire300, who knows if the personal attack came from GeezGod. Who knows if there even was a personal attack to begin with. NeverTry4Me doesn't seem to be able to corroborate anything about anything. El_C 04:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

El C, regardless of NeverTry4Me's competency issues (which is probably largely due to lack off English proficiency), I think NeverTry4Me is talking about Special:Diff/1071758710 and Special:Diff/1071763686. This is a brand new account that joined the COIN thread, referred to a facebook group and said that NeverTry4Me is famous on Assamese wiki, when neither is there any discussion nor does either of them have any significant activity there. GeezGod also claim to be a Wikipedia newcomer even though their behavior indicates they are quite experienced. Scobserv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was another account that had joined the COIN thread and whose comments were revdelled for personal attacks and possible outing. NeverTry4Me may have confused the two but it also seems like the two are related through some off-wiki coordination. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 06:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tayi Arajakate: This seems credible that he'd confuse the two users. If you have any concerns about GeezGod being a sockpuppet, do file a WP:SPI. I doubt anything will come of it considering he was found not guilty of socking recently, but who knows. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 07:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know who they would be a sock of for me to file an SPI, though it does look obvious that they are not a new user. My point isn't even that but that there was harassment coordinated off wiki which got overlooked because of NeverTry4Me's inability to articulate it and the fact that GeezGod has gone scot free is a problem. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 08:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Tayi Arajakate, I linked to WP:DIFF for them enough times. Look, we can't solve all the world's problems. One needs basic competence to edit here, which, for the English Wikipedia, also includes a reasonable command of the English language. There's a point when incompetence and trolling becomes indistinguishable. A time sink all the same.

And can you explain to me what in the WP:ARBIND is happening here? Which camps do these two users represent? Also, does the Assamese wiki calls diffs something else? These two users have wasted so much of so many users' time. A black hole of time wastage. El_C 09:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I just realized NeverTry4Me actually used diffs before (yesterday, here). This is so bizarre. El_C 09:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not saying NeverTry4Me should be unblocked or anything, they clearly lack the competency to be able to edit here. Regarding the diff thing, they may not have realised that the link to a revision is called a diff. He doesn't have any significant contribution (4 edits) on Assamese Wikipedia, neither is there any discussion concerning or including him on there.

In this context, GeezGod commented on the COIN thread, "Yes, I'm a Wikipedia newcomer. In a Facebook group (অসমীয়া ৱিকিপিডিয়াৰ সদস্য), there is a discussion regarding your dirty dealings on wikipedia..." and followed it up with "Too much courtesy, too much craft. You are already famous in Assamese wiki community. That's why first remark is obviously directed at you..." which reads like harassment directed from outside so they should be blocked as well. I can't really tell if there are any camps here other than a facebook group not liking NeverTry4Me irl. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Tayi Arajakate, I already read those diffs, I'm asking what their dispute is about. Yes, GeezGod should be blocked as well. And they were, then unblocked. But they would have been blocked in a long-lasting way, had the evidence been presented at any point until... now. Also, on the project, offwiki harassment is the exclusive domain of the Arbitration Committee (there's also WP:T&S at the foundation level). A few years back, I've been cautioned by the Committee about that (gently, but still), so I'm wary of over-stepping there, especially after a block/unblock has already taken place. El_C 10:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think they have an on-wiki dispute (on their current account at least) so can't really tell. I suppose I'll send an email to ArbCom. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 14:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tayi Arajakate, before you spend more time on this account, see its previous name. I do not think the new accounts were harassing, they were ineptly trying to point out the extremely blatant COI edits. I can post more on-wiki diffs but since they'd requested name change, I'm not sure if I should do so. Hemantha (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

• Again, I was getting alerts from COIN, ANI, TP, I was moving from here and there. And I haven't got any chance to check who is Admin and who is not. I stuck dealing with different notices that addressed me. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

NeverTry4Me, except you're not the one who reported the spam. It was reported by MCC214 (diff). You just added a seemingly non sequitur comment in response (diff), the reason for which you still cannot explain, even now. Anyway... El_C 03:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• TheDragonFire300 The user made edits on this and this, but his contribe page and this even don't show the edits. Does this indicate REVDEL? --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• El_C, I admit, regarding (diff), I am helpless now. I admit, I am lost in this regard. :( --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm revoking talk page access due to continued obfuscation. El_C 04:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

This is the weirdest case of WP:VEXBYSTERANG I've seen in quite a while now. Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 10:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk page access revoked

Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive.

(block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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El_C 04:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, I don't think there's any socking or block evasion here after doing some CU work, I think another sock is JoeJobbing them for sick fun. But I fully support the CIR block. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #54842

is closed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rajen Sharma

The article Rajen Sharma has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Nothing but passing mentions, not enough in-depth coverage to show that they meet WP:GNG.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:18, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

UTRS appeal #55186

restoring talk page access after discussion with El C. Fingers crossed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• FWIW, GeezGod has been checkuser blocked, and had posed as NeverTry4Me at ANI and AfD. Special:permalink/1073330151#Protest against deletion of Pallab Bhattacharyya article. I don't think the situation that led to NT4M's erratic behavior is likely to recur. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Deepfriedokra: How do I prove that I have no other account? Please guide me to prove that. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 11:06, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

  Well, no one can. Really. We mostly rely on behavioral evidence. And with GeezGod running around pretending to be you, I presume it's him pretending to be you until proven otherwise. What is of greater concern for you is the appearance of undeclared paid editing. Please read and heed WP:COI and WP:PAID. If you have any connection to any subject that you have edited about or will edit about, you need to disclose such connections before being unblocked. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:48, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Deepfriedokra: Well if you see my most edits are in people who are dead long before, and how that can be an UPE? Till date, I have not edited anything in COIN. I edited pages of different topics and different fields. If I am reading well, my block is not regarding COIN issue. Indeed I have no COIN issue yet. When I will have any general COIN in future, I will declare that. But about "paid editing", that I never did and will not do ever. Indeed the allegation of paid editing made me to mentally suffer a lot. How do I prove that, which I am not? --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 18:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Deepfriedokra: - regarding this, I suspected that occurred from this page where anyone can see it publicly. I have the reason to defend myself as I am repeatedly trying to get unblocked through on-wiki and off-wiki. I came across searching and found that that should be the only reason as I can guess. Somehow I have some reason to suspect, perhaps the user Geezgod has a strong belief me as another person which his first sock Scobserv accused me in this deletion. I am also very much concerned about why so many socks are trying to act like me. But I am sure that you staff has access to my Wiki login history including IP & MAC by which you can confirm my PC. Regards- --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 06:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Arunodoy Asom for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Arunodoy Asom is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arunodoy Asom until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: Please Draftify it so that I can improve with proper source and citations. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 06:15, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Rajen Sharma for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rajen Sharma is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajen Sharma until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: Please Draftify it so that I can improve with proper source and citations. Right now I am blocked, so I pinged you here. Once I get unblocked I will improve. Please drafitify --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 06:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Reply to Draftify requests

You have above asked me to draftify Rajen Sharma and Arunodoy Asom. Since I have nominated these articles for deletion, it is no longer appropriate for me to unilaterally move these to draft space. The nomination process will play out until it closes. That said, I did consider moving them to draft before nominating them but did not then and would not now for the same reason: Adding ""proper source and citations" will not solve the problem. I did my own searches for these persons using the multiple variations of each one's name and only found more of the same type of poor-quality sources that caused me to nominate these articles in the first place. The coverage of these persons in reliable sources is limited to passing mentions. We have the notability criteria and the Core Content Policies not to weed out bad articles but because if we can't satisfy those policies and criteria when writing about a person we can't be certain that we are creating an accurate article. I hope this helps explain my nominations and my view on these two articles in general. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: Are you sure that the Afd discussion of Rajen Sharma and Arunodoy Asom endorsed this Wiki rule of notability? I am sure the AfD is not addressing that. Just !vote with KEEP/DELETE is going on, but none is seen focused on these criteria. Hope, there would be a fair outcome. Regards --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry to have to say this but your reply here demonstrates solidly that my assessment below of your ability to communicate on this project is not wrong. I just said that I tried myself to find other sources that were not in the article before nomination and you ask if that very thing was being considered. Either you don't read or you don't understand what is being said to you or asked of you in almost every interaction I've seen between you and another editor. The same appears to be the case here. I don't think I can be of more assistance. Sorry for wasting your time. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: Please don't judge someone's ability on the grounds that you are not happy with it. How about we be in point on Rajen Sharma AfD? He passed away in 1989, and around then there was no internet, no websites, even numerous Indian books didn't have an ISBN. Rajen Sharma page doesn't fall in WP:BLP. I am not to opine more, but his death meets these criteria. Period. Regards- --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 03:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Pallab Bhattacharyya moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Pallab Bhattacharyya, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) In addition, there appears to be a WP:UPE or WP:COI conflict. Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, and have addressed the UPE/COI issue, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. As per WP policy, please do not move into mainspace yourself. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

An AfD would be better to check. Moreover, you have repeatedly blamed me as UPE/COI editor, which is mental harassment to me by you, nothing else. -NeverTry4Me ^(talk) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

onel5969 now I can sense/judge after viewing your profile that you are the WP:UPE, and you are justifying yourself by accusing others who are the junior contributors to Wikipedia. --NeverTry4Me ^(talk) 10:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

My apology @Onel5969:. I was a bit ignorant to say this. I admit my wrongdoings. Please accept my apology. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022 ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Problems including repeated XfD discussion interference. Thank you. Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC) :* The problem created by Onel5969 and you. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 10:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Djm-leighpark: with apology, I have deleted my the above comment. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Fixed your talk page archiving

Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --rchard2scout (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me with that. Regards --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 20:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Unsolicited and possibly unwelcome advice

NeverTry4Me, I'd also like to offer some more general advice. You will probably not like what I'm about to say but I think it needs to be said. I don't think you should try to get unblocked at this time. When I look at your contributions and communications, what I see is some-one trying very hard to contribute but not being able to add content the way they want to because of a language barrier. This will sound patronizing but your English language skills are simply not yet good enough to help at the English Wikipedia as much as you obviously want to. This is not an insult. My Assamese and Bengali skills are certainly worse than your English. What I see is that the ability to communicate effectively with other editors is not to a standard that will prevent continuing frustration and acrimony.

If I my offer an alternative, there are Wikipedias in a huge number of languages and there is almost certainly one in your first language. The Assamese and Bengali Wikipedias could particularly use help.

I can understand why you want to contribute to the English Wikipedia instead of one of these other ones. Research by both the Wikimedia Foundation and independent researchers has shown that in India the non-English projects are seen as less important. While there is probably some legacy of English Colonialism involved the main problem is that these other projects are not very large. I believe it is the type of editor such as yourself that is best-placed to change this. You can read English obviously well enough to be an excellent translator of content from this project to whichever of those others you speak. If you read Wikipedia:Translate us, you may find a way to be a very productive editor. It does not take a large number of editors to change the size and strength of a non-English project. The second largest Wikipedia project, for example, is the Cebuano language one and that has a very small group of active editors.

I hope that advice helps and I apologize in advance for any offense I have given you. Stay safe. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: - Since I use straightforward English, it will be an unusual assessment that I should avoid English Wikipedia. I accept that composed things ought to be perceived by all individuals from the world, not simply be a make a difference to be used for and perceived by English language specialists. Furthermore, indeed, I truly do a few regular mistakes by typo, yet that ought not to be thought of absence of ability. Regards --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 02:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: I must thank you for your this advice You can read English obviously well enough to be an excellent translator of content from this project to whichever of those others you speak. If you read Wikipedia:Translate us, you may find a way to be a very productive editor. It does not take a large number of editors to change the size and strength of a non-English project.. I would love to do that too. But, I would also like to stay in English Wiki and contribute more. Of the course, I shall use professional English than I was using earlier. Thanking you again. Regards --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 00:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pallab Bhattacharyya (January 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Scope creep was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Pallab Bhattacharyya and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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scope_creep^Talk 10:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

:* scope_creep^Talk, I am damn sure that you are an UPE/COI as you are ignoring Indian government sources and other third-party sources. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 10:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• With apology I have deleted the above. Please pardon me @Scope creep:. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 05:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: It needs to have coverage. There is none there. I put the wrong review accidently, the first time around, so I've removed it. Please don't throw that UPE/COI accusation around. scope_creep^Talk 10:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Kindly figure out on the Draft talk page, where I or someone needs to cite more SIGCOV. Do you expect an interview of an Head of Intelligence branch who needsto stay out of public touch by protocol?(If COI/UPE can be imposed against me, why not against you or Onel5969 and others?) I have stopped edits as I am blammed falsely for UPE/COI. --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 10:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I checked the first 10 references. They need to be WP:SECONDARY sources for a BLP and they're not there. scope_creep^Talk 11:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

:::@Scope creep: why don't you have a through check of sources? --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 10:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: will you pardon me for my mistakes? ... please... --NeverTry4Me - TT Page 08:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)