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Sorry about Madhubala page

I accidently deleted the hollywood section. However could you please cite your sources in each of the sections that u added on Madhubala as wikipedia does not allow stuff about actresses to be added that is from a fan point of view. The information has to be written in a way to make it informative and not make it seem that a fan has written it. Thank you Shakirfan 19:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Re Sorry about the Madhubala page

Dear Shakeel no need to apologise! At the end i do have a section citing my refernce sources is this not enough or do I have to really mention the source at every point? This would spoil the flow of the text and also make it even longer? Is it not enough that I cited them at the end or do I have to go in and change it?? Thanks Nav

Re: Madhubala

What you have included in the references is fine but I think some links from around the internet should also be cited and not just each of the books or or other sources that you got the information from. Also when u are writing in each of the sections of the article to add a reference you put at the end of the sentences. Then under the References heading at the bottom of page put

The links will then appear at the bottom of the page like this. If you are not sure how to do this get back to me on my talk page. Thanks. Shakirfan 02:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Picture dispute

Hello Navdeep,

I have posted a reply to your comments on the Madhubala talk page, and I apologize for sounding insulting. You hadn't directly cited the info (which I think you should still do with the "ref /ref" syntax). I'm also sorry I deleted the image without telling you. But you do agree the newer one is far better and more representative of the true Madhubala. Also, I agree with your info on the comparison with Monroe.

Still, as a side note between the two of us: when will our country learn to stand up for itself, rather than call anything good "India's version of some thing Western"? I passed an amusement park in Bangalore the other day; it had a banner that read: "India's answer to Disneyland". What on Earth is that? Do we have to define ourselves as mirrors of the West? It's the same with Madhubala: "India's Monroe". She India's Madhubala for goodness sake! You may think that's a minor point, but it's not. It's a matter of self-respect. Gradually, people are losing confidence in their own culture, and are running after the obscenity of the Western world, while ignoring the respectable Western values of proactivity and efficiency. Teenage kids are looking to the West for cultural guidance, in harsh denial of 3 millenia of beautiful Indian culture. Instead of listening to hindustani classical or qawwali, they want "rap" music. It's harming India, if you ask me. Take Madhubala for example. How many 34 year-olds like yourself will appreciate the graceful and poetic nature of old films? They want Ghajini, violence, sex. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Bajrang Dal member lurking behind a false userid. It's just how I feel. People think these views restrict their "freedom", when they're trapping themselves in crude Western vulgarity. I'm asking for freedom from that obscenity. Sometimes, all this "India's answer to the West" business really makes me wonder if we have really earned independence in the first place!

What do you think?

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hi papush

Sorry for the late reply! Well i read with interest your copmments on the tendancy to compare our achievements to the west as per "Madhubala , India's monroe" etc.

Its a complex issue but, I see it like this: in the case of westerners making such comments or comparisons I see nothing wrong with it. Becasue this is the English Wikipedia and the garden variety european or american reader will most likely not heard of Madhubala, or at best know little of her. SO to put her into a context they can relate to, to give an idea of her status and apeal in the sub continent is pertinent I guess.

where I wholy agree with you is when we Indians do it in our own country. Like your disney land example. we have So much to be proud of in our own culture and achievments, why is the west seen as some kind of benchmark that everyone and everything must be compared to? It reeks of a lack of self esteem and national pride for sure. It is depressing. I can hardly watch most modern indian films as I find the apeing of western music, etc neausiating. I#ll stick to enjoying Shammi Ji wooing Madhubala or a mughal e Azam anyday thanks!

India has such a wealth of talented people in every field. if we could all unite and think of the good of all, rather than furthering ones own agendas, there would be no stopping India of that I am sure... Navsikand (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Madhubala

Hello friend!

I think your work on Madhubala is good, but your additions are completely unsourced which makes all the information, despite being interesting and generally well-written, look like original research. I think you should source it throughout with good book sources and reliable net sources which would improve the article's reliability and status. Who knows, if you do that, it may be promoted to good article status, or even featured. See how it is done in other FAs like that of Bette Davis and Vivien Leigh who are also veteran actresses. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

re: Meryl Streep

Hi. The reversion I made asked for a source to add to support what you yourself describe as your observation. That she spoke English using an Australian or German or Polish or whatever accent has been well established in the films themselves, in articles about it, etc. I don't doubt that she spoke German with a perfect Polish accent, and I agree that it was an impressive accomplishment, her talent with accents is quite well known. I think that was the point of asking for a source - since this is an English Wikipedia, the garden variety reader knows that - regarding her English speaking roles. The way it was presented though, is rather an "icing on the cake" item and as thus, a reliably published source confirming it would validate your observation. I'm not saying that the article couldn't use more sourcing, almost any article can, but I think in this case, it would validate the comment extremely well. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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