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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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April 2022

Hello, I'm Ferret. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Call of Duty: Black Ops, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please, slow down and read the replies I've already sent you about sourcing. Dropping a bunch of official webpages into this article is not improving it. -- ferret (talk) 16:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ian (Wiki Ed) Could you assist? There's more discussion on my talk page. -- ferret (talk) 16:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@NateRob25 There are a few problems with the edits you've made to the page, as @Ferret mentioned

• In your first edit, you added search engine results as a source. This isn't a source - it's just a search engine. It isn't going to provide stable results over time.
• The second set of references you added are from Call of Duty's website and Treyarch's. These are not independent sites. They aren't totally unusable - I assume they get the basics of their own games right - but they are neither scholarly sources, nor are they from publications with an editorial board and a reputation for fact checking. If information can only be sourced from a company's blog posts, it's worth asking whether it's important enough to include in the article.

As Ferret mentioned, there's an awful lot of really good information about how to write a good video games articles on Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games is the sort of resource you can only dream of in most areas of Wikipedia. It makes it easy to write a pretty good article that fits seamlessly into the feel and style of Wikipedia. That's important - people are used to the look and feel of Wikipedia, and if something doesn't fit, it won't be taken as seriously by readers. The point is, I'm guessing you want to make Wikipedia better. And if your additions only get reverted because other editors believe they don't improve Wikipedia, or don't improve it enough to balance out a style that feels wrong, your edits are unlikely to stick.

Ferret has given you great advice, and has taken their time (as a volunteer) to help you. They're a very experienced Wikipedian - they know what they're talking about. Please try working with them - we all have the the same goal - making Wikipedia better. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Ian (Wiki Ed), I'm glad Ferret brought you to assist on this wiki article. If these are the only problems with the edits that have been deleted by Ferret, then I don't see any problem to fix and revise the edits I've added to the Black Ops article. Like I said to Ferret, I wish to add the correct number of sources to the edits I'm making but I can't do that without the work being deleted minutes after it's publish. I believe in revision and good advice from fellow editors like yourself so I'm hoping that this will be the final problem with any edits I publish in the future. I will definitely contact you if I have any more questions or problems with future edits on this site.

Thank you for the help,

NateRob25 NateRob25 (talk) 15:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@NateRob25 In their revert of your edits, ferret included this in their edit summary: This content already is covered under the DLC section. The sources used are not reliable. If you look at Call of Duty: Black Ops#Downloadable content you'll see much the same information as you added.

The second issue is the sources you're using

• www.trueachievements.com: I don't see anything there that would suggest that this is a reliable source. They do have a "team" section on their website, which is a good start, but I don't see anything about editorial policy, or anything to suggest they have a fact-checking team. These are all things that a reliable source should have.
• www.gamesradar.com might be ok, since they include an "Editors Code" section with links to the Independent Press Standards Organisation on their About Us page.
• cod-blackops-zombies.blogspot.com is a Blogger site. These are user-generated content and almost always unreliable. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ian (Wiki Ed) GamersRadar is reliable, but as noted the other two are not. The other two sources, along with the overlap to the DLC section that already exist with many other secondary reliable sources in place, led to my revert. -- ferret (talk) 13:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)