User talk:Nahallac Silverwinds/Archive 05

Steriod Scandal

Finished moving. I haven't seen any significant news that isn't a repeat of last night. I'm looking though :) FYI, you have an e-mail as well. — Moe ε 21:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I already replied to it! :) --Naha|^(talk) 21:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:) Well I saw an interesting article on several of the accused denying before the incident. [1] This could potentially be a candidate as a quotation in the wrestlers articles later. — Moe ε 21:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I read that one last night somewhere. If any of the ones in the article end up being the ones suspended which is pretty obviously the case at this point, those comments are sooooooo gonna come back to bite them in the ass. It really pisses me off to, some of the guys I really like to watch being kicked off TV for a month or two. So, since Edge and Helms are already sitting out with injury, does that mean they won't be suspended from TV until after they are well enough to compete (when it would really hurt them)? Or would that happen now? --Naha|^(talk) 21:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much a suspension for a first-timer is 1-3 months off of not competing without a paycheck. Since they are inactive, they probably just won't get paid for the time they are suspended. And with medical bills that could really suck. — Moe ε 21:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oooh yeah, I hadn't even thought about the medical bill situation for suspended wrestlers. That won't be pretty. On the bright side, if you can call it that, WWE not paying for medical bills because they were stupid and used steriods would hopefully be a further incentive for them to ditch the 'roids and/or any other illegal drug. --Naha|^(talk) 21:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure Gregory Helms and Edge are financially secure, it's just wrestlers who are just starting out like Santino (unaccused for the most part actually) or not as popular like Funaki it would be a problem for. Hopefully not paying them for a while is an attempt to be serious with cracking down on it and not some part of a coverup. — Moe ε 22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. --Naha|^(talk) 22:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Lord, it appears one source states that Sports Illustrated was on MSNBC and stated the number was 21 [2]. God I hope that was a publicity stunt :/ I'll start to look for the names SI named.. — Moe ε 23:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears Kurt Angle was the only new one named from that, which is strange. TNA might be getting in some hot water as well, they have absolutely no talent wellness program of any kind. I wouldn't be surprised if they got hit soon by the media. — Moe ε 23:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Lovely. I read something about TNA yesterday that Congress had contacted them for an investigation in the same manner they had WWE, but TNA had yet to respond to it, publically or otherwise. I can't remember where I read that now =/ --Naha|^(talk) 23:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Funny enough, last night I was watching Headline News and Del Wilkes, formerly "The Patriot", stated that "Vince McMahon is on the top of the mountain, him and the WWE have absoultly no competition and they have no reason to try and do it clean [refering to without steroids involved]". Damn, no competetion, I thought TNA was at least as popular as the old ECW :/ — Moe ε 23:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It probably is as popular as the old ECW, but it has a long way to go to match WWE's popularity. WWE has so much money, they can do a lot more. My main problem with TNA is that I have a harder time getting attached to their characters. Many of them just don't have the same entertainer skills that a lot of the WWE talent seems to have and I don't get the feel that the TNA performers are trying as hard to win me over. Mr. McMahon is a lot more entertaining than Cornet too, hell Vince is a freaking living, breathing, walking (or should I say strutting), cartoon character :P

As much as I do enjoy the actual wrestling, thats not what drew me into pro wrestling, its the soap opera entertainment aspect that got me hooked. Its a lot more fun than the Days of Our Lives or As the World Turns stuff. Anyway, back on topic ..TNA just doesn't have the whole "larger than life, I feel like I'm at Disney World, this takes me back to being a little kid" feel that the RAW and SmackDown! productions have (not really ECW so much). Again, I know part of that is budget constraints, and that is unfortunate, but its true. I'm sure only having a 1-hour show hurts character development as well, they don't get as much screen time. I keep hearing rumors of TNA going to 2 hours though. --Naha|^(talk) 01:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

TNA is far from comparing to the likes of the even the old WCW. When they win a ratings war with WWE RAW, that will the day they might be considered even that well. It might not be all the TNA wrestlers fault that their storylines aren't developed that great because of three key points: One, WWE hired all the best writers for storylines. Two, some of TNA's storylines remind me too much of the WWF Attitude era (that period is long over, and it helped WWE in the long run, but nothing can redo what they did). And three, they don't get the kind of commercialization as WWE. WWE has a spot on the USA Network, Sci-fi and the CW. TNA at most has Spike TV which killed WWE ratings overall, so taking their spot didn't help. TNA also doesn't play up their characters as much. Mr. McMahon is a lot more entertaining than some of the wrestlers now, Cornette puts me to sleep every time he talks. I agree, it wasn't the violence and the wrestlers themselves that drew me in, it's the excitement and the storylines. I didn't have the Internet before 2004, so I didn't know about a lot of the stuff that happened behind the scenes prior to that, which sort of ruined wrestling for me now. Anyways, the only way TNA will prosper long term is bringing in better talent, better writers for sure, and getting in the open more. It sort of has a cult following right now, which I think TNA is afraid of losing if they went bigger. But thats just my 2 cents :) — Moe ε 02:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Those are all very good points and I tend to agree with you. No Internet before 2004?!?!, OMG noob! (I'm soooooooo kidding). But yeah, Internet ruined some aspects of it for me as well, which sometimes irritates me because its not as "magical" anymore. But at the same time its interesting to know a lot of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes ..I guess you can't have it all =/ I still get a pretty big kick out of WWE though and I'm comfortable with that :) --Naha|^(talk) 02:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh, Internet n00b *places dunce cap on head* but at least I knew about the Montreal Screwjob without the 'net, so that was progress :) At first I was like a kid in a candy store with the Internet because I didn't know what to research first, but apparently it was Owen Hart, yeh, I remember those obscure edits, but I forgot to mention he was dead in the bio :) Anyways, it appears John Morrison lost the ECW Heavyweight Championship to CM Punk at tonights ECW tapings, so that all but confirms him as a suspended superstar. — Moe ε 03:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey hey no spoilers! *puts fingers in ears and hums* :P --Naha|^(talk) 03:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but you knew it was going to happen anyways =p — Moe ε 03:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah I don't have any idea what you are talking about :P Seriously though .. That really sucks because while I didn't really care for him much as Nitro I was completely digging him as Morrison. Stupid steriod users. --Naha|^(talk) 03:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, I think dropping the entire "Hollywood insider" gimmick was the right thing to do. Morrison is so full of himself, but in a good way :) — Moe ε 03:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers

Eh? — Moe ε 04:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

John Hennigan is the spoiler information I was just reverting so that it wouldn't be ruined for others, but the spoiler I'm pissed about was from the other day (SmackDown! tag title change). I am apparently confused about spoilers and when they are and are not allowed. I don't see the information I'm looking for on WP:SPOILER as it mostly just deals with when spoiler tags should and shouldn't be used, not the actual spoiler information. If you could point me to any more info on when spoilers are allowed, that would be appreciated :) --Naha|^(talk) 05:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Why did you delete my entire comment? Also, why did you only say "typo" in the edit summary when you did it? The Hybrid 05:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it was an accident? My intention for that edit was to edit a typo and I'm not sure how any deletion happend, I appologize, but please assume good faith. --Naha|^(talk) 05:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I was AGF. I apologize for coming across in an accusatory manner; I didn't realize how I sounded until I just read over my comment again. Cheers, The Hybrid 05:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Its ok. Looking at the edit/deletion in the page history now I'm wondering if it was some kind of weird edit conflict thing, although it was probably just me accidently hitting a random combination of keys and not noticing. I know there is something I'm accidently hitting a lot of the time that completes my edit and "Saves" it while I'm actually still typing it and am not yet ready to save yet ..but I've yet to figure out what that is :( --Naha|^(talk) 05:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It might be Enter; I've accidentally saved a couple of edits by hitting Enter when I was reaching for the apostrophe. The Hybrid 05:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah at one point I thought thats what it was but now I'm not so sure. Heh, a lot of the time I'm mid-word of an edit summary when it happens. Oh well, I'll probably never figure it out and continue to piss people off with premature saves :p --Naha|^(talk) 05:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, there are so many JavaScripts out there such as popups to take a look at the diffs right from the watchlist that I don't predict anyone getting angry with you over it. Also, thanks for fixing that link ;). Cheers, The Hybrid 05:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh, np. I used to use popups but then I got tired of the big popup box coming up every time I hovered over a link, and it would actually freeze my browser for a few seconds each time it happened. I might try it again eventually. --Naha|^(talk) 05:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

That sucks. I don't think that I would be able to edit without them :P. Than again, most of my edits are reverts, The Hybrid 05:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Nite, The Hybrid 05:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

thanx

Hey thanx for the redesigning of the user page! i appreciate it! i wanted to do a redisigning but i didnt know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lex94 (talk • contribs) 00:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem Lex! I'm really glad you like it :) Don't forget to sign your comments using 4 tildes like this ~~~~ Cheers! --Naha|^(talk) 00:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

News

This just gets weirder and weirder and it looks like the entire WWE roster is going to hell right now. [3] First Mike Bucci is released, and now Cryme Time is released (although they weren't released for the steroids investigation). In addition to that, Stephanie McMahon stated that 13 wrestler were suspended for violating the wellness program in addition to two more for being tested positive during an examination, bringing the staggering numbers up to 15 suspended and 3 releases this week. Batista also claims that he never did anything, so he may be in the clear.. — Moe ε 02:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

And due to the sheer different amount of circumstances that could change, I'm thinking of removing the fact that the 10 superstars were suspended until we can confirm the correct number of superstars suspended, how long it was, etc. and the other stuff be added back later. — Moe ε 03:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sounds like a good idea as far as removing the specific number of "10" because I feel like that number is going to jump around all over the place right now depending on the source. WWE.com also now says, in addition to Cryme Tyme, that Eugene has also been released. I liked all 3 of them. :( --Naha|^(talk) 03:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, I'll start working on the wording in many of the articles later. Gah, I didn't even know about Eugene (thinking about Eugene though, he was suspended before for failing the drug test). I don't know how WWE is going to pull together an accurate storyline in the next few weeks.. either they have to start bringing in new guys from OVW/FCW or start cross-brand matches for a while. — Moe ε 04:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I was just about to start browsing the OVW/FCW websites to look and see all the candidates for who we might see debuting on RAW/SD/ECW in the coming weeks :P --Naha|^(talk) 04:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The new and improved Hart Foundation are "rumoured" to be debuting on SmackDown! before the end of the year! :) Davnel03 15:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool, I've been hearing bits and pieces about them for a month or so now :) --Naha|^(talk) 15:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:Redirect

I noticed you made a change to Montreal Screwjob that involved replacing [[Rick Rude]] with [[Richard Rood|Rick Rude]]. Please note that at WP:Redirect, there is a section about not making this kind of change. I figured that I should call your attention to that becuase I reverted you. Take care, and happy editing. Croctotheface 18:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, what's the deal here? Changes like this one are not "cleanup", they're actually frowned upon. Please see WP:Redirect for more information. Please refrain from making these changes in the future. Croctotheface 19:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I, Zenlax award Nahallac Silverwinds, LaraLove, and Davnel03 the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for applying the time to edit Randy Orton's article and making an effort to get it in encyclopedic form. The three of you deserve it. Enjoy. Zenlax 12:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This is very cool indeed, thank you :) --Naha|^(talk) 21:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Library

I noticed you have "Are we there yet?" on the library page. I am interested in the Randy Orton article, and I noticed he was suspected of sexual harassment. The charges were dropped, but reading his article reminded me of a small bit on his personal life written in the book. What I'm referring to is a part explaining him on the road, where I remember he would go clubbing, going out, finding girls with his friend, Mark Jindrak. I'd appreciate your help in understanding his personal life, so check for a bit on him in the book, and let me know when you have time. Thanks!--Screwball23 talk 00:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No Problem. I am currently out of town but will be back home later this evening and should probably have time to look through the book tonight or sometime tomorrow. I will definitely let you know :) --Naha|^(talk) 13:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok I'm home now, here is the story from the book word for word (pages 156-157, the publishing info. etc is in the PW library):

Randy Orton

You definitely have to find some things to do when you're on the road to pass the time and take your mind off everything. Grab a decent meal, catch a movie, things like that.

I've got a bunch of things I like to do when we travel to keep entertained. If we're in a town with a mall, I like to go and see if anyone working there recognizes me. It's not that I'm looking for a cheap confidence boost or anything like that. I'm hoping they'll give me discounts on clothes and stuff. You'd be surprised how well it actually works. I don't pay full price for anything. Clothes, jewelry, all of it. Because they know you from TV they feel like you're one of their buddies or something and end up giving you discounts on everything.

Something else fun that Mark Jindrak and I do is to make it a point to visit strip clubs everywhere we go. When we're driving in the middle of nowhwere, somewhere in the Midwest or down South, we always see these, like, one-story houses, run-down buildings, that have signs that say things like "Live Girls XXX" or "All Nude: Live Dancers."

We'll stop in there, and usually these places have food, so we'll eat and check out the strippers from this Podunk towns who usually don't have any teeth. They're all busted up in the face, not very good to look at. It's just this fascination we have.

Aside from the dancers, it's also hilarious to watch the guys who go to these strip clubs and think they're the greatest places in the world and these chicks are hot. The atmosphere in these places is so weird, it's like straight out of a movie.

Then we'll go to the best strip clubs in places like Atlanta and New York where it's completely different. We never try to pick up the girls and don't spend a ton of money, it's like our little thing where we have a good time.

It's really observational more than anything.

Let me know if you need anything else! :) --Naha|^(talk) 21:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Links to disambiguation pages on talk-pages.

Hi,

If someone wants to link to a disambiguation page in a talk-page comment, that's really their business.

—Ruakh_TALK 18:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

If it is obvious that they meant to link to one of the specific pages that the DAB link provides, and not the DAB page itself, then fixing it actually helps anyone trying to follow the conversation. No harm, no foul. --Naha|^(talk) 15:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks

I appreciate your copyedit and disambig edit to my userpage. That spelling error had been there for a while! DickClarkMises 19:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) --Naha|^(talk) 21:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember (2006)

Many thanks for the copy-edit you gave for the newly created article, thanks! I guess it's better to have two people look at it than one! I've added a little bit more, if you wish to take a look. I was also going to nominate it for GA (obviously discussing it at WP:PW first), but wondered whether you thought it could pass in it's current state. Again, thans for the copy-edit! :) Davnel03 16:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey no problem, I actually need to do some more, I only made it part way through the article before I had to leave for class yesterday. I really don't think it is ready for GA quite yet, while you have done a great job covering the subject, the tone/writing stytle of the article is a bit, hmm... "chatty" for lack of a better term. We're going to have to fix up the prose a bit first, and in some instances, more background information will be needed so that it flows more smoothly beteween ideas. Great job so far though! I will be looking at it more this week at some point :) --Naha|^(talk) 16:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I'll probably kickstart another article in my sandbox. :) Davnel03 17:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Trish Stratus

Hello. Nikki311 and I were talking about the now nominated Trish Stratus article and are both unsure about what to do regarding these edits; leave or revert. We both feel the same way about it and I was wondering if I could ask for your opinion. Thank you. - Deep Shadow 22:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I replied on your talk page to keep that conversation in one place. --Naha|^(talk) 22:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Thank you for that. - Deep Shadow 22:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Back

I tore my rotator cuff, so I'm back. Life can really throw its curveballs, can't it? Anyway, The Hybrid 04:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The Hybrid has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

*Smiles* I'm very glad to see you back, although I wish it was under different circumstances, geez how bad does it hurt? --Naha|^(talk) 13:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:PW

I just got tired of the project focusing on a ton of minor nitpicky things but largly ignore it when we try to make a contribution that'd actually HELP the quality of the wrestling articles - You tried, I tried but we could hardly drum up any interest in the Pre-GA suggestion. Since the project in general (there are great editors there like you and a few others) have goals and focus areas that are not what I want to do here I figured it's best to just blow it off and work on my own projects again - Work on improving articles on Wikipedia and that sort of stuff. I definitly felt like we made a great team working on reviews and improving projects and I'd be happy to work with you in the future on articles of yours or my choosing, I just think I'll be more effective doing my own thing instead of trying to pay too close attention to WP:PW. So I'm not leaving Wiki nor the wrestling related articles, I'm just focusing on improving quality instead of trying to get WP:PW's attention in matters I feel are really important. MPJ-DK 10:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree with all of that. It is a real shame and I hate that I keep getting wrapped up in all the nitpicky stuff :( ..Politics is something I swore I would never deal with around here (at least not to this extent), yet here I have fallen head first into them. I really enjoy working with you as well and I do hope we can collaborate in the future again on some articles. I'd be glad to help you out with anything, proofreading/copyediting or more, just ask :) --Naha|^(talk) 13:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Flag icons

Although I don't disagree with you, WP:Flagcruft is not policy (yet), so please don't go around telling people they can't add flags based on that page.--Atlan (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a note here, so it doesn't appear as though I was doing this in mass or something ...I only asked this of one user who had just added them to several articles after they had been removed (not by me) several times. I did go back and remove them again though. /shrug --Naha|^(talk) 18:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Dwayne Johnson to The Rock

Hey Nahllac Silverwinds, I started a survey at Talk:Dwayne Johnson‎ and requested that Dwayne Johnson be moved to The Rock. Feel free to express your opinion at the talk page. Thanks! -- KBW1 04:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, the page name was brought up at another location. It passed, and now the page name is The Rock (entertainer), thanks anyways. :) -- KBW1 05:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ugh --Naha|^(talk) 13:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey

The finger, yo!

Moe ε has given you the finger! Giving the finger promotes WikiHate and hopefully this one has made your day worse. Spread the WikiHate by giving the finger to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! — Moe ε 11:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

lol ok its only 8:10AM and that already made my day :P --Naha|^(talk) 13:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL, I wish people were really that excited when I give them the finger! — Moe ε 13:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hehehehe yeah no kidding! --Naha|^(talk) 13:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I never got to thank you for watching my ass all the time, my little stalker :) — Moe ε 13:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe *innocent look* --Naha|^(talk) 13:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Cute, but not cute enough :) — Moe ε 13:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment on sabotaging redirects

Under the circumstances I felt that sabotaging the redirects was an acceptable thing to do since the article had been in purgatory for some time now, this situation was causing major disruption but meaningful discussion wasn't taking place, I had an admin cast their support for my interpretation of the naming conventions, and there is technically a way to have my edit undone if someone disagrees with it. However, doing anything that makes people go out of their way to revert you is generally frowned upon. I did it so we can finally force a discussion if anyone has a semi-legitimate reason to keep the article at Dwayne Johnson, and forcing a discussion is something a good Wikipedian is supposed to do, but under almost any other circumstance sabotaging the redirects is a bad idea, and causes more problems then it solves. I just thought that I should comment on this. Peace, The Hybrid 06:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation :) --Naha|^(talk) 13:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

December to Dismember (2006) - again

Sorry to bug you about this article, but wondered whether you had got round to looking and completing the minor changes to the article? After you have done that, I will probably bring it up at WP:PW, asking what others think if I nominated it for GA. Thanks in advance, Davnel03 13:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No, thanks for reminding me, I had actually forgotten about this. I will do my best to look at it sometime today! I'm still fairly certain that most will say its not ready for GA status yet though. --Naha|^(talk) 13:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Could I put it up for peer review then and see what comes from that? BTW, thanks for the quick comment. Davnel03 14:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, please do put it up for peer review, you should get some good helpful comments :) --Naha|^(talk) 14:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. I'll leave a note at WP:PW. I'm working on ONS 2005 in my sandbox, so that should be getting moved into the mainspace within the next week or so. :) Davnel03 15:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok I've done some more copyediting on the article. I think the main areas of concern right now are general wording, and all the "rumors" in the article that, while cited/referenced, are still rumors. I'm also not happy with the section title of "Event" but cannot come up with a better alternative right now. I'd like some other folks to see what they can do with it and then I'll give it another look - the article a bit overwhelming to me right now. --Naha|^(talk) 00:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, hopefully people will look and comment on it at the PR. Many, many thanks for your copy-edit, and I reward you this:

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		for an amazing copy-edit on December to Dismember (2006) :) Davnel03 09:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not quite sure I'd call it "amazing" but thank you very much :) I still want to do some more work on it after others give some input :) --Naha|^(talk) 16:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict

It's okay. I honestly hadn't even noticed. Nikki311 21:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikihug!

		A Wikihug for Nahallac Silverwinds
		Have a wikihug because you recognise that wikihugs are great things to have!  — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh thanks Timotab :) --Naha|^(talk) 15:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Tony Anthony article

Thank you so much for your help with the Tony Anthony article. I felt like it was time to create my first article, but it's a daunting task. Your input and edits are greatly appreciated. And I'll keep working on your suggestions. GaryColemanFan 00:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all; you have done a great job on the article and I was glad to help out :) --Naha|^(talk) 01:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I have one more question (for now). I wanted to add a mention of PWI 500 ratings to the Championships and Accomplishments section. Anthoyn was ranked #299 of the PWI years, but I was wondering if it would also be appropriate to include his highest ranking (#25 in 1994). Would this be considered noteworthy enough for inclusion? GaryColemanFan 02:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, maybe that’s better for inclusion in the article itself instead of the Accomplishments section. GaryColemanFan 02:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a huge fan of PWI rankings, you might want to ask someone else about this :) --Naha|^(talk) 03:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikilink issue

I hope you don't mind, but I included you in this post. If you wish to comment on the subject, please do so. Also, unfortunately, the December to Dismember '06 PR isn't getting that many comments at the moment. :[ Davnel03 15:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't mind. Thanks for showing me ...however...while I am a huge proponent of not overlinking articles, this case isn't near as severe as the one you linked him to re. The Great Khali. In that instance, there were *5* links to Batista in the same paragraph (extreme overkill), and Mysterio had already been linked pmce in that paragraph too. The links in DtD'06 were a bit more spread out, and actually the "head booker" link should be reinstated as I don't see it linked anywhere in the article now. As far as the PR, yeah that sucks, hopefully someone will come along soon. --Naha|^(talk) 15:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I reinstated that particular wikilink. As for PR, well WP:PW seems not to be responding to the PR's, I put a request for John Cena (a article that failed FA a month back) to be peer reviewed, but unfortunately, that tells a very sad story. I've left a few requests on the WP:PW talkpage (see here for instance) but it doesn't seem to be doing any good? What could I do? I was thinking of leaving messages on a few peoples talkpage that mainly contribute to WP:PW giving links to the PR (Nikki311, TJ, Hybrid etc.), could I do that? Thanks for your help by the way Naha in helping me improve the D2D article. :) Davnel03 16:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know when I am asked directly to help out with something or make recomendations, I am much more likely to do it than if a general request is made on a talk page for "anyone" to help out. Given that, I see no harm in asking the people you have suggested and/or others for direct input on the articles you want help with. As long as you are polite, as you always have been when asking for my aid, there should be no problems :)

I love Cena, and have made 200+ edits to his article in the past, and while I want his wiki article to reach FA status, for some reason his article overwhelms and intimidates me and I tend to shy away from making "drastic" or "bold" edits to it, partially (probably) because he is so "controversial" in the eyes of many fans, and as such his article is constantly being edited and vandalised ..and it is watched by so many people that it seems like its hard to get in there and do work sometimes. There are very few articles that I feel this way about, but his is right there on top of the list. --Naha|^(talk) 17:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left a message on several peoples talkpages - hopefully that'll do the trick! :) Davnel03 18:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It's done the trick - sort of! I'm working on my next PPV article here if you wish to take a look. Davnel03 15:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Good, glad you are getting some more feedback now :) --Naha|^(talk) 15:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I needed someone to cheer me up. I today at school had someone throw (very stupidly) a stick at my head [don't laugh], and have a massive bruise on my head. Davnel03 18:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ouch, hope it heals quicly, bruises are never fun. --Naha|^(talk) 18:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Just inserted this into the mainspace. I think I've fixed redirects and stuff. Can you have a quick look over it at some point, in case there are any minor typos? Thanks, Davnel03 14:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit, I appreciate it. I'm probably going to put it up for peer review in a few days. Thanks again, Davnel03 17:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) --Naha|^(talk) 17:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Great, I attempt to do something good, and it gets reverted. Discussion currently at WP:PW, I'm p***ed off. Davnel03 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Its going to work out. We just have to try to remain calm and logically point things out and make suggestions. --Naha|^(talk) 19:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it worked out eventually! Anyway, I've gone the same route as with D2D and have put One Night Stand (2005) up for peer review. The PR page is here. Thanks, Davnel03 15:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Professional Wrestling Star
		I, Zenlax award Nahallac Silverwinds, Deep Shadow, Zerorules677, and Nikki311 the Professional Wrestling Star, for getting Shawn Michaels's article to Good Article status. Keep up the good work. And hopefully getting other wrestling articles to Good status. Zenlax 19:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Zenlax, thank you very much for this award. Although, lol, I've hardly touched that article lately, save a few minor changes. In an effort to actually earn this barnstar, and help improve the article even further, I have begun a copyedit to the entire article and started a "Post-GA Review" on the article's talk page where I will point out problems with the article that hopefully others can help me fix. Thanks again, --Naha|^(talk) 22:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did come across your name and saw that you were trying to improve the article. My apologies. But by pointing out the problem for what needs to be made, then please accept the barnstar in all your hard work. Zenlax 19:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I'll do my best to earn it :) --Naha|^(talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

booker t

If you look a legitame source is provided. From an Associated Press article in the New york daily news, and this is on the Toronto Star newspapers website referring to where it is. A source that can be trustedRogue Gremlin 02:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Request for adminship/Nahallac Silverwinds

Any chances the link will turn blue any time soon? Davnel03 20:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Hehehe. I appreciate the comment/suggestion :) While I've definitely been around long enough and know how a lot of stuff works, I'm still trying to learn all of the policies. I know most of them, but not all of them. There also seems to be a lot of "behind the scenes" type stuff and little tips and tricks that a lot of normal editors know and I don't. I'm not even completely sure what I mean by that lol, but I am still working my way through all the ins and outs of the 'pedia. I'm also a bit intimidated by some of the questions that get posed to Rfa candidates; given any responsibility in life, I try to do the best I can, follow the rules, and ask for advice or help if I am unsure about something before I go ahead with it - but beyond that, I have no idea what I'd say to people wanting to know specifics.

In addition, while I have a lot of interests (and have worked on several articles related to them in the past), I am also afraid that some people would think that my edits are "too concentrated in one area (subject matter)". Personally, I don't think that should be a reason to oppose or even vote neutral for a Rfa, but I've seen it from time to time. I focus my efforts at WP:PW because (a) it is more fun for me to "work on" hobbies of mine on Wikipedia than other areas I happen know a lot about and (b) lets face it, PW needs as much help as it can get ;) There are also a lot of great people there, like yourself, making a genuine effort to raise this phoenix from the ashes, and I enjoy working with you guys. Not that there aren't a lot of great editors elsewhere around Wikipedia. The Scouting Wikiproject is outsanding and has many quality editors that contribute regularly, as do most areas of Wikipedia.

I have completely rambeled on here far too long. In summary, I have indeed thought about running for adminship, and while I feel that I will one day make an excellent admin at Wikipedia, I'm not quite there yet in terms of policy knowledge. It is good to know, however, that when that time does come, I'll at least have your vote lol :) Thanks again! --Naha|^(talk) 21:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh god, would I oppose :) — Moe ε 18:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Drats! That makes 1 support and 1 oppose, now I'm back to square one :P --Naha|^(talk) 18:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Make that Square -1, I just used a sockpuppet and voted twice..ironically, my sockpuppet voted support. — Moe ε 18:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

lol :P --Naha|^(talk) 18:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Shawn Michaels

Hey, the part of the British Bulldog passing out to the Figure 4-lock, can't be found anywhere. So I removed it. But the direct question is, do I check that out or do I leave it. Since you stated to give more info. on it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Leave it for now, I'll try to do some searching of my own and ask some others to as well. If we can't find it together, then we can take it out. Thanks for working on the article! Cheers, --Naha|^(talk) 18:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you?

Like to sign my signature book? Zenlax ^{Talk Contributions Signatures} 20:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

But of course ;) --Naha|^(talk) 00:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for signing. Zenlax ^{Talk Contributions Signatures} 19:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Year-only date linking

On the Glenn Miller page, you cleaned up the headlines (thanks!) but put links on all the years; years that don't have months or days preceding them in the text. I don't think linked years add any useful information to the article and in fact, they tend to clutter the page and obscure the useful links. Binksternet 16:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure who's edit you are looking at, but I only *removed* links from years that did not have days or months attached to them, per the Manual of Style. Like you, I believe that links to single years provide no useful information and do obscure the useful links. Please see my actual edit here as I did not do what you have suggested. Thanks, --Naha|^(talk) 16:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Color me dumb! Sorry for the mistake. Thanks for taking out the useless date links. </embarrassed> Binksternet 17:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it too much, I've embarrassed myself plenty of times around here, and I'm sure I will again ;) --Naha|^(talk) 17:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey

I thought this was funny :) — Moe ε 17:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

lol :P --Naha|^(talk) 17:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

COTW

Yeah, Im sorry. But I didnt see the article before the editing. But just thinking of a legendary wrestler like Pedro Morales, and a Puerto Rican like me, I kinda would like to see more in an article than just 3 paragraphs. I know there must be more information out there than that. Lex94 01:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Please feel free to try and help improve the article, thats what the COTW is all about! --Naha|^(talk) 02:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Tool (band) - FAC

Hi Naha, sorry to bother you, I hope you aren't too busy and could help me out.. Tool (band) needs someone with better capabilites than mine to proofread spelling and grammar (en-US). Any suggestions or hints regarding bad or clumsy prose in the article would be appreciated as well and could be added to its FAC. Of course, if I can return the favor, I'd gladly help out with any of your articles. Thanks in advance and best wishes, Johnnyw talk 14:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey there! No bother at all, feel free to ask for my help with anything, at any time; the only issue I ever have is time lol. That being said, unfortunately, today (pretty much all day), I am studying for an Oceanography exam that I have to take tomorrow. And then after the exam, I'm going out of town for the weekend (Friday - Sunday)! Ack! I am more than happy to proof read this article and give it any copyedits I deem necessary, but that may not happen till next week :(

I'm so sorry, this almost never happens. This week is just bad for time conflicts for me. It is such a great looking article, and shows that you and others have dedicated a lot of time and energy to it. Anything I did right now would be half-ass due to lack of time, and this article deserves much more than that. If you have not done so already, please contact a couple more members of the LoCE; someone out there is sure to have time *right now* (or at least sooner than me) to give this article the attention that you are asking! Again, I will be happy to look at it as soon as I have time. Please don't let this deter you from asking for help from me in the future. As I have said, this usually doesn't happen, and I love to help whenever possible! Cheers and good luck, --Naha|^(talk) 15:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't feel bad, I am glad you responded so quickly and let me know, so I can contact other LoCE members to help me out. If there still is help needed on Sunday, I'll drop you a note here. And nevertheless, my offer still stands as well, if you ever need help, don't hesitate to give me a nudge. Good luck tomorrow and have a blast this weekend :) Johnnyw talk 16:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, ehm, although it looked like one fellow member of the LoCE started copyediting, he only looked over the lead and didn't leave any comments at the FAC discussion. If you are not too busy and have some spare time on your hands, I'd welcome you to give the Tool article a quick review, and maybe even express your opinion at the FAC. If not, please don't hesitate and decline this invitation. Thanks either way, Johnnyw talk 17:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey there! Still out of town at the moment, will be back sometime tomorrow afternoon. I'll do my best to look at it at some point this week! --Naha|^(talk) 03:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

COTW weekly notice

Whenever the template is finished being updated, if you are the first to notice/the one to update it, could you pop on over to User talk:Misza13 and let her know? We're supposed to notify her every week. If you could, then that would be great. I'll be asking some other users to do the same thing. Cheers, The Hybrid 20:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh sorry been out of town since Friday night, although I have popped in here a few times to check on a few things. Looks like you already took care of this. Thanks! --Naha|^(talk) 03:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks

Nikki311 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Thanks for backing me up on WPT:PW about the COTW tie. Your comments about me made me smile, so hopefully, this will make you smile. Nikki311 15:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all! I meant everything I said. I only wish I could be more active myself this week (and last week, and next week too come to think of it) - lots of classwork and exams going on right now, and we were out of town last weekend and have company coming next weekend ..ahh! I should be able to return full steam ahead towards the end of the month :) Keep up the great work and thank you for the smile :) --Naha|^(talk) 22:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WM III COTW

Hey Naha, I got a question since you seem to be one of the driving forces behind the COTW (good job I never could get anyone to really care) - Regarding WrestleMania III, I've got a pretty good book source on the WWF in the 80s that covers WM III and everything, but I dunno just how much more improving people think this needs (other than the "Citation needed" removal) - so I figured that you might know? Oh and I posted a suggestion on the COTW talk page, something that may help. I'm really impressed with the COTW work, in fact despite not being part of WP:PW that's the one aspect I will start participating in again. MPJ-DK 10:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Heya MPJ! Thanks for asking, the COTWs need as much help as they can get. (Unfortunately, I haven't been able to be around the last couple weeks, and won't be back full steam for another week or so - hectic real life at the moment).

For the WM III article, the background section really needs a lot of work. There needs to be an introductory paragraph to the section that summarizes the theme of the show or the main points or...I'm not exactly sure what ..but it needs something ..before diving right into the Bobby Heenan paragraph which seemingly comes out of left field. Actually, every paragraph in the background section needs to be reworked. Without drawing out the entire history of each feud/match in detail, we actually need to give a bit more "background" on the "background" that is already given because right now the article just jumps right into the middle of some of the feuds and there is just not enough info given, or it is written very poorly. I don't know if that makes sense, but aside from giving citations, that is one of the main problems with the article.

Also, the "event" section needs to be greatly expanded. Right now there are two one-sentence paragraphs and that is a no-no. There needs to be more detail in that section.

Thanks again fo asking :) You have done some great work in the past, and I know the COTW articles will benefit greatly from your contributions! --Naha|^(talk) 12:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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HBK

I've added some refs (mostly from his book). The rest, I'm having hard time to find. But, I'd like your opinion. LATERS. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all the wonderful work you have done fixing many of the problems I had posted. Great work! This project has been put on the back burner for me for awhile because I have so much else going on, but I will get back to it eventually! --Naha|^(talk) 00:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Excellent Userpage Award
		You did make a great edit to my userpage, and I know nothing will ever be as great as yours. You have an excellent userpage, which is professional, organized and looks great. Keep on editing! Cheers, Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 15:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Lex :) I would love to help make yours even better, but I don't know anything about you, Lots of people have a paragraph or 2 about themselves and their wiki philosophies and stuff and just more information in general. This is not by any means needed or required ..some people even look down upon adding personal info to the userpage, but I think it helps to see where other users are coming from when discussions take place. Anyway, all that other stuff besides userboxes is what makes my page look organized etc. Thanks again! --Naha|^(talk) 15:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome! Well, I have based my userpage on your layout (don't be mad), and added information about myself. Plus. I got rid of the User boxes (they were tiring to look at). Plus, I added myself to WikiProject:Disambiguation. Cheers, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Signatures} 19:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

lol, I'm not mad - I ganked the code for my page from someone else too! Looks great, you did a good job, dark green/hunter green is one of my favorite colors! --Naha|^(talk) 13:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thank-you!!

Woah thanks so much for the redesign of my page - Im sorry I didnt log in sooner and yes - I missed your message, thank you very much (If I had known who it was, I would have thanked you right away) I have reacently created a new account here: Kenjoshii (talk · contribs) and have copied over the entire thing =) •Zhuge Liang• ^[Chat] 22:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool, glad you like it :) --Naha|^(talk) 00:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't appreciate your disrespecting me

I simply present my view and I'm "condescending" and "talking down to" you? Suppose next time I should avoid doing that, huh? Yes, it was peppered with words like "wrong" and "stupid," but these were not directed at you and I fail to see how you thought they were. Nosleep1234 01:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You don't appreciate me disrespecting you? You have got to be joking. How could I not think otherwise when I was the one who brought up the entire question and discussion. You made it sound like I was stupid for thinking there was possibly more than one way to look at things, your way. Given your word choice, some of it had to be, at least in part. If I am mistaken then I apologize, but regardless of who the comments were directed at, they were condescending none the less. --Naha|^(talk) 01:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me see if I can straighten this out. I criticized the use of "titles." You crticized me. I lack respect for you now, but not because you say "tag team titles." That's just dumb. I have a lack of respect for you because you're a whiny baby with a victim complex needing someone to lash out at.

And goodbye. Nosleep1234 02:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Nosleep1234, I suggest you read this. Your insults were unneeded and uncalled for. Naha is a good faith editor on Wikipedia, and she doesn't deserve to be insulted. Davnel03 08:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

And I do? I didn't insult anyone before I was insulted myself. And fine, if I'm not welcome in your club I'll go away. Goodbye forever. Nosleep1234 08:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You condescending attitude and insults were and continue to be clear as day. I apologized for jumping all over you for insulting me, and yet your lack of caring for your actions and for how you treat other people continues. I now I wish I hadn't apologized because you don't seem to deserve it and refuse to take responsibility for your own actions. --Naha|^(talk) 00:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The title(s) dispute

Things seem to be pretty heated over at WPT:PW. I hate to see wars like this between editors but I like that the issue was raised, so you shouldn't regret bringing it up at the project's talk page. I consider you to be one of a few editors that I can honestly call my WikiFriend and I would never talk down to you or get frustrated due to a difference of opinions. I hope things are still cool between us. - Deep Shadow 01:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No no Shadow we are cool. You answered my question and somehow sorted out the reason I was confused about it, which I didn't even realise till you said it. I appreciate it. *hugs* I just don't understand why all people can't give reasonable answers and explanations for things without coming off as a high and mighty jerks. Maybe I responded too harshly, (and Sleep you will probably read this and its not fair that I'm taking out all past frustrations re. people being rude on you in addtion to your own comments, sorry again) but I've kept my mouth shut for too long about people being rude for no reason and the top just blew off and backfired :( I don't care if its "title" or "titles" or whatever, I just want two things (1) for all articles to use the same wording and (2) for people to be nice...I can only "let things go" so many times before I've got to say something. Its my greatest character flaw.--Naha|^(talk) 01:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)