User talk:Mr KEBAB/Archive 9

Syllabic consonants in American English

Hi, sorry for bothering you again, but do you know when /ə/ is dissolved into a following nasal? It doesn't seem to be existent all the time, considering your edit on the aluminum infobox. — ^{they call me} AWESOMEmeeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 08:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: I don't mind talking to you, it's much better than being baited into a pointless discussion with a troll. See [1] and [2] and tell me if they make sense to you. Mr KEBAB (talk) 08:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh I see now. Thanks for that! And good to know I'm trustworthy 👍 — ^{they call me} AWESOMEmeeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 08:52, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: There's another issue: the weak vowel merger. RP-speaking Britons call Martin Luther King [ˌmɑːtɪn ˌluːθə ˈkɪŋ]. The /ɪn/ sequence can never become a syllabic alveolar nasal. However, in General American, Martin is phonemically /ˈmɑrtən/ and so they call MLK [ˌmɑɹʔn̩ ˌluθɚ ˈkɪŋ]. Also notice the glottal stop, which would be prevocalic in the first case and therefore also not an RP pronunciation. Mr KEBAB (talk) 09:01, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Makes sense, but I've thought this syllabic reducing phenomenon only occurs in American English — ^{they call me} AWESOMEmeeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 00:15, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: No, of course it doesn't. It also occurs in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and probably South Africa too. In RP, you can hear it more in conservative speakers. Mr KEBAB (talk) 05:27, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Chemical elements

FYI, pronunciation of chemical element names now is maintained at {{Infobox element/symbol-to-pronunciation}}. I applied your aluminium edit there. BTW, there is a discussion (RfC) going on at Template talk:Infobox element about IPA and respelling. -DePiep (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@DePiep: Thanks. I don't get how it works though. This template within a template within a template thing reminds me of the yo dawg meme, haha.

I pretty much completely agree with Nardog (and I've stated that - look for my nickname). Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The page says there are six pronunciation items: ip1, respell1, etc. Each is maintained in a subpage, like {{Infobox element/symbol-to-pronunciation/ipa1}}, which says for example in ipa1:| Al={{IPAc-en|UK|audio=En-uk-aluminium.ogg|ˌ|æ|lj|ʊ|ˈ|m|ɪ|n|i|ə|m}}. -DePiep (talk) 10:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Oops, I'm sorry I did not notice you already contributed there. -DePiep (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@DePiep: Ok, I'll try to figure it out. Thanks.

No worries. It's a long discussion and it'd be fair enough to ask me for a more elaborate opinion anyway. The thing is that Nardog has already put it eloquently enough, as I've already said. Mr KEBAB (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for changing all those v's to ʋ's in the Slovenian transcriptions. I see that I missed a lot of them. Doremo (talk) 21:23, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doremo: Not a problem! Here's what you want to do when looking for specific symbols: simply search for hastemplate:"IPA-sl" insource:/\{\{IPA-sl[^\}]*PUTYOURSYMBOLHERE/.

Here's a full list of what I've changed:

• [v] -> [ʋ]
• [d͡z, d͡ʒ, t͡s, t͡ʃ] -> [dz, dʒ, ts, tʃ]
• ['] -> [ˈ]
• [g] -> [ɡ]
• Shortened the IPA wherever I could, so that the lead isn't cluttered with irrelevant repetitions. Mr KEBAB (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doremo: Could you transcribe To mi je španska vas for me? I need it for Greek to me to replace the old transcription, which I deleted because it looked incomplete. Mr KEBAB (talk) 21:50, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Sure; that would be: [ˈtoː mi jɛ ˈʃpaːnska ˈʋaːs] (the clitics mi je bear no stress). Doremo (talk) 03:58, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doremo: Thanks! I wasn't sure about the vowel qualities in to and je and whether to was stressed. I had a suspicion it was, since it's word-initial. Mr KEBAB (talk) 05:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doremo: Ok, added. Thanks again. By the way, the tonal variant is [ˈtóː mi jɛ ˈʃpáːnska ˈʋáːs] (I checked on Wiktionary). Mr KEBAB (talk) 06:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)