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For your voice of reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sietse Bakker (2nd nomination) ‎. I just can't understand how some people can ignore and miscite policies. Btw, this AfD is one of three related AfDs that have virtually the same people commenting. I wonder if you'd have any input for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sietse Bakker (2nd nomination) ‎ and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Svante Stockselius. Perhaps in one of these cases I am being too deletionist? Or do you think they'd also fail GNG? What do you think? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate the compliment, but do refrain from coming to someone's page directly to ask for opinions on certain discussions as it could be construed as canvassing. In my opinion, Svante Stockselius and Jon Ola Sand are notable enough as they have both been profiled by major news outlets for their roles in Eurovision; the sources on both articles are strong enough. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 08:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. But for the record, I consider CANVASS to be the worst policy of Wikipedia, as it stifles communications and effectively encourages off-wiki communication. I even published a peer reviewed article where I show how it was a major factor in a failure to promote a certain key discussion ([1]). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:50, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I totally understand. The way Wikipedia works is often counterintuitive to producing a reliable, effective knowledgebase but them's the rules, yo. :( I have many, many qualms with the way Wikipedia works especially because knowing the rules serves as such an ego-boost to certain people who think they run the place. Luckily, some of these people don't know how to apply the rules. Haha. There's a reason I don't stick around to edit much anymore, even on Wikiproject Eurovision. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

If you're going to be talking about people behind their backs, then you should pick a more private venue in order to carry out such acts. You never know who is watching talk pages. And canvassing has been noted and reported. Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 09:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I never mentioned you in my statements above. Please refrain from assuming my thoughts. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:21, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I know you never mentioned me, which is why if you see in the comment i said "people" which is plural and can include anyone within context. And voicing opinion is not assuming one's thoughts. Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 09:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your opinion; I have, to the best of my ability, exercised discretion when discussing matters such as this, but you're right in that my comments may be misconstrued. Thanks for looking out for me :) Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) But for the record, coming out with a remark like "Luckily, some of these people don't know how to apply the rules. Haha." especially with the "HAHA" at the end is clear-cut case of 1+1=2. As you are talking about the "same group of people" who have commented on all AfDs. And to furthermore go on about the reason you "don't stick around to edit much anymore, even on Wikiproject Eurovision" is again aimed at members of the project, ironically when in context with the "same group of people" who have commented on all AfDs. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to piece all that together. Even admins would come to the same conclusion. Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 09:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

• P.S. Your appreciation is acknowledged. How have you been anyway? Not properly spoken to you for what must be well over a year? You still edit for that ESC website? Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 09:36, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hm, no, not at all. I meant that I regret not being to contribute to Wikiproject Eurovision anymore because I had actually valued my contributions there, but my desire to edit, even for a topic that is close to my heart, is marred by Wikipedia politics. It's a shame, really. I have very little time in general to do things that I used to spend a lot of time on. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been forever since we've spoken at all. I still contribute a bit to ESCUnited, yeah, but like I said, I have very little free time these days. I pop in here on Wikipedia, ESCUnited, a bunch of other stuff every now and then when I have a bit of time. It's hard to quit these things! :P Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I can actually understand where you are coming from with the WikiPolitics. I've had the same conversation with Rob off here for the last week or so, and even he has said that WP:ESC is in dire need of repair and reform. Which, is something I had mentioned on the project itself a couple of years ago. I know I'm not as active on the project as I use to be, and even quit doing the newsletter as it was getting too much. Like you, I just pop on here from time to time, have a nosey at what's going on, do a bit of a clean-up, then tootle off back to real-life duties. It has been one hell of a rollercoaster life though. Remember a few year back when my mother passed away? Well, I found out a few months after that, that she was in fact mu aunt. My birth mother couldn't cope when I was born apparently, so my aunt took over. I felt like I had been lied to for years, which in a way has given me a backbone lately. Anyhow, I managed to get to know my birth-mother in the end, and we spent time together, until she passed away in March 2015, followed by my sister in May 2016, and I had a cancer scare this month. So yeah, its been a rough ride, but I've gained strength from it. But also meant I've spent less time on here as a result. How did you get into editing for ESCUnited by the way? It is something I have considered doing myself, but never known how to get into journalism or even pluck up enough courage. Would be interested to know more, if that's OK with you of course. Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 09:51, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

That does sound like it almost came out of a soap opera :( But real life is often stranger than fiction; I have family who went through similar situations. I'm glad you've used that experience to grow. It must have been tough. I'm sorry you went through all that. :( I hope you're doing ok right now though.

As for journalism, I've constantly been part of school publications, so I have a lot of experience doing journalistic work, but it's relatively easy to get into the Eurovision fan press. A lot of them open up writing/editing positions from time to time, especially right now when Eurovision season's starting up. All it takes is keeping an eye on the fan sites and applying when the job is open. It's a thankless job, most of the time, like here on Wikipedia, as it's all volunteer work, but I did get to use my press credentials to go to Copenhagen in 2014, so that's a huge plus! Mr. Gerbear|Talk 09:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Believe me, it felt like a soap opera. All of my close friends even said it was so ironic how events panned out like they did. But yeah, I've put the experience to good use, and even though it has made me more opinionated not just on here, it has also served as a wake up call that life isn't always as perfect as we would like it to be. I'm doing good now though. Had to move out of the home I grew up in last year, and a second house-move last month. Gave me some pride in myself at the achievements I made. I just need to calm the enthusiasm towards Eurovision and curb the over-passionate rants about it on here lol. Thanks for the advice on how to get into journalism too, something that I will look out for and who knows my name may appear on here, or even an article that can get AfD'd at a later date haha. Wes Mouse  ^T@lk 10:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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