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Speedy deletion nomination of Ralph Cupper

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A tag has been placed on Ralph Cupper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Hello there, I am going to delete this article I'm afraid because it doesn't claim any of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. If any of these criteria can be met with reliable sources to back the claim up, then the article can be reinstated of course. Please message me here if you need any help with this. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 09:12, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

If you see here: http://home.online.no/~iahaugen/cdralph&inge2.html the CD: White cliffs of dover has been reviewed by 5 Norwegian Newspapers in West Norway, and if you contact any of those newspapers they will say the CD legit. So he can then claim some of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. It says there it only needs one, and since making CDs and being published about it in newspapers is one of them, you should reinstate this topic. - MPC

Hello again, just finishing brunch and didn't want you to think I was ignoring you! Will message here again shortly. By the way, if you end your messages with Insert non-formatted text here~~~~ your signature and timestamp will magically appear - like this! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 11:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I have restored the article to your user space here so you can work on it to try and make it viable here. Note that this is not in the main article space of Wikipedia, and so it won't appear on searches (and will also be much less likely to be tagged for deletion). I'll make some suggestions which may be helpful but I don't want to raise your hopes too much as I still suspect that as it stands the article would be deleted by any other admin who saw it.

One problem was that no claims for notability were made. WP:MUSICBIO requires that the subject has been written about in depth by a number of independent sources. I couldn't check the links you gave above as they all go to an individual website which has copied the articles, rather than to the originals themselves. Also, I can't read Norwegian and can only recognise a few words! However the articles seemed to be local newspaper reviews of a single CD. This gives us a second problem that the sources are not in English which is not fatal but means some translations will need to be done.

The articles you linked all seemed to be reviews of a single CD, rather than articles about Ralph Cupper himself. As it stands, the only sources you have would be for an article that says something like "Ralph Cupper co-performed with Inge Haugen on a CD called Evergreens Volume 2: The White Cliffs of Dover which was released in Norway in 2004." The sources you have are more relevant to the CD than to the performers - as far as I can see they don't say anything about them. For example, there are no sources to confirm any of the details of Cupper's background, training, career etc.

If he really is a notable musician (notable in the limited Wikipedia sense I mean!) then he will have multiple sources describing his career, like Leif Ove Andsnes for example. If the information in the article can't be linked to an independent source then ultimately the subject is not sustainable. However all this is only my opinion; one option is to work on the article more, find the sources and then ask other editors for comments - you could do this by following the instructions at WP:RFC. Alternatively if you simply disagree with my assessment of the article altogether, you can simply repost the material into main space at Ralph Cupper and take your chances, but I would advise trying to strengthen it first. Please just reply here if you have any queries, I'll keep this page on my watchlist. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 12:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry I could not answer, I was at work. The only source I can find about someone posting about his history was a newspaper article in paper form written by Fjordabladet. Will it be valid if I somehow scanned in the article and uploaded the article so you could check it? Mpcpro (talk) 17:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

No, there's no need to scan the original - we take it on trust that offline sources exist and are as stated! What would be helpful would be if you could type in a transcript (Norwegian with English translation) of the article or at least the bits of it you want to use to use to support details of his career. I don't suppose there's an archive link to the article at www.fjordabladet.no/is there? Copy anything you have (text, links etc) to the talk page for the article you are drafting and we can take it from there. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 18:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

The problem with www.fjordabladet.no is that they started their webpage in 2007: http://www.fjordabladet.no/index.cfm?event=doLink&famId=84281&page=29 You can see there the first article is from that time. And everything before that is in written form which have not been written on that webpage, and the article in question was written before this time and has not been uploaded. There are however other articles about Ralph Cupper after 2007 which are uploaded: http://www.fjordabladet.no/index.cfm?event=search&searchfield=cupper&x=0&y=0 but they do not talk about his history. About translating bits of the article. I have already translated a lot of it and the history you see in the Ralph Cupper page was indeed from that article. Mpcpro (talk) 18:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't see any citation of the news item you mention in the original Wikipedia article; the only citation there was one about charity work. Is this the same one? What you need to do is (a) transcribe the relevant bits of the newspaper item onto the talk page of the draft, in Norwegian and English please. Then (b) cite that item appropriately in the relevant parts of the article itself. You need to use a format like this:

<ref>Author (Year). Title of article, name of newspaper, date, page number.</ref>

So to give you a made up example:

<ref>Jonsson, P (2007). English organist entertains Christmas crowds, ''Fjordabladet'' newspaper, 24th December, page 23.</ref>

If that is inserted into the text of the article it will give you a nice near reference at the end automatically. I know it will be a bit of a pain to find the Norwegian text and translate it, but you have chosen a difficult subject to write about because this is the English Wikipedia and all your sources seem to be Norwegian! Please not, I'm still of the opinion that this article probably does not establish sufficient notability, but I won't delete it myself if/when you repost it, we'll leave that up to uninvolved others. meanwhile I'll give you the best help I can! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 20:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

The only citation I did was about the charity work. Since this was my first wikipedia page I am a bit unsure when to use citations so that is why I did not use a citation when writing about the article from the newspaper since I thought only internet links were valid as citation devices or books. So would it help if I repost the Ralph Cupper article and add 2 citations. The first one being from the newspaper article about his history, and the other one, being about the CD's from that link I posted earlier on? What do you think? Mpcpro (talk) 21:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Sound good - citations don't have to be exclusively from sources available on the web - though of course that's helpful because people can go straight to them if they want. But a source can be a book, radio broadcast, newspaper article - anything you like! Have a look at WP:RS and WP:CITE to learn more about sources and citations. In principle, the more sources and the more often you cite them, the better. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 22:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I have edited and added the references, could you take a look at it at my user space before I finally repost it? Just to check that I got everything in order reference wise. Mpcpro (talk) 05:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I added one more reference. So could you just message me after you have taken a look at it? Then I'll repost it and hope that everything goes well. Mpcpro (talk) 00:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ralph Cupper

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A tag has been placed on Ralph Cupper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Battlegrounds 2

Hi Mpcpro, I've had a quick look around for references for this article, but haven't been able to find anything that satisfies our requirements for reliable secondary sources (WP:RS). What other sources do you have other than Steam (a primary source)? The installation guide will probably be removed since Wikipedia is not a how-to guide (WP:NOTGUIDE). Marasmusine (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mpcpro, the sites you mention are all primary sources. That is, pages maintained by the makers of the mod or people directly affiliated with them. Wikipedia articles need to be based on secondary sources, such as reviews in magazines. Marasmusine (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry but those additional links aren't satisfactory either. I can go into more detail if you wish. Marasmusine (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

The ModDB 2005 "editors choice" might be enough for verification in the "List of" article. Maybe. ModDB is currently not accepted by the videogames wikiproject as a reliable source (see WP:VG/RS), but that's more on the basis of the user-generated content rather than the editorials. I may have to raise the subject again for a clearer concensus. Gaming Daily is a self-published source, which are not normally usable. If we can establish that Ed Fenning is an "expert in his field", then it's a possibility. Marasmusine (talk) 10:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Battlegrounds 2

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Nomination of Battlegrounds 2 for deletion

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