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Your edits to Big 12 Conference regarding capacity of Jones AT&T Stadium

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• Request please be careful when making edits. Your most recent edit at Big 12 Conference listed Texas Tech's football stadium as having a capacity of only 64 people. I'm pretty sure they have more than that in the band...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:54, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
• Welcome to Wikipedia. As you are new here (or at least, your two-day old user account is new), I will operate on the assumption that you have totally positive intentions with your recent edits and reversions to Big 12 Conference. That being said, I take exception to your edit summary statement of "Updated which clearly shows the capacity is 64,000+ now please stop changing, I dont know why you are changing this anyways? To make Mizzou look better because you guys ruined the conference?" I can assure you I have no special agenda. I don't have time nor interest in agendas. I simply found that the article had stadium capacities of varying accuracy, and set about to re-verifying each one, adding proper reference citations accordingly. Nothing more, nothing less. Texas Tech was the hardest to verify, as I could not find any official document provided by the university that listed the stadium's rated capacity. The best I could find was here, which states in extremely plain English that "The five-story, $34.6 million project will increase the overall stadium capacity to 60,454." Since you disagreed, I suggested that you find a better reference. The one you provided is slightly ambiguous, stating "Including the grass areas, Jones AT&T Stadium can now seat as many as 64,000 fans for a sold-out game.". I think reasonable logic would conclude that an un-rounded number such as 60,454 is extremely likely to have come from an official source, whereas a straight up 64,000 is very probably just an estimate. Your online manners could use some work, and you should very likely put in a few thousand Wikipedia edits before you impolitely challenge other experienced editors (not just me). Polite discussion is good, we all engage in that. "Do it my way" does not go over well at all. Frankly, I don't care one way or the other what the capacity is at TT or Mizzou or anywhere else, and I find is absurdly amusing that you are going to war over a difference of 3,546 seats. Are you serious? Anyway, I have repaired the citation you used (it was missing everything but the URL, look over the edit history to see what happened so you can avoid it again), and am going to move on. You can have your 3,546 seats, ambiguous as they are. I suggest you lighten up, or your experiences here going forward will continue to find you in confrontation, which experienced editors generally could do without over such trivial matters. Fjbfour (talk) 23:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Before you reply, if you choose to do so, and before you engage in any other heavy editing anywhere, please review WP:TUTOR. Completely. Your Wikipedia experience will be much happier if you do. Fjbfour (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up since I also help to maintain 2010 Big 12 Conference football season (which also includes football stadium capacities), I realized that it is important for me to be consistent and not knowingly allow a discrepancy between two WP articles. It's an integrity thing. As such, I redoubled my efforts to find a reliable and trustworthy source for the Jones AT&T Stadium capacity. I turned up a handful, including two documents printed by the university itself, in 2010. The official capacity of the stadium is verified by multiple sources to be 60,454. All of those references were included in the article space, specifically to appease you, despite it making a clumsy appearance that I'd otherwise prefer to avoid. I strongly suggest you do not revert this, or really ever change anything on WP, when it is properly cited with multiple trustworthy references, or you will quickly find your account locked out. Thanks. Fjbfour (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

For your reference:

The five-story, $34.6 million project will increase the overall stadium capacity to 60,454.

The official seating capacity for Jones AT&T Stadium will rise to 60,454 in 2010 with the addition of the east side stadium building.

2010 TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL QUICK FACTS Stadium/Capacity Jones AT&T Stadium/60,454

• Comment from the sources that I can read and find provided, it seems that the 60,454 number is the standard capacity number, which should be in the table. That said, there is a lot to be said about your responses. I remember when I was new at Wikipedia, and when I made a change that was reverted it would anger me at times too. No one is engaging in a personal attack, we're just looking to make the best encyclopedia we can. However, if you continue with the uncivil discourse, it is likely that you may find your account blocked from editing by an administrator.

Further, if anyone ever believes that an article's content should be different and there are opposing viewpoints for that change, we usually discuss such a change on the talk page of that article. Through civil collaboration, we'll come to a consensus.

P.S. I don't always get my way either, but that's the way the cookie crumbles!--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)