Meenagh

Info about referencing...

Hi there!

First of all, thank you for your article on John Kenyon - it looks like it fills an important gap on Wikipedia :) You'll notice that I put a clean-up tag on the article. You may well want to leave this to other editors, but, in case you did have the time/will to do it yourself, I thought I would suggest a few pages that might be helpful here...

The main problem that the article has at the moment is that a lot of the references don't give enough information. Obviously, it would be great if you could expand these, as I'm guessing you will probably have this information already, where as I imagine it would be pretty tricky for other editors to track these down! You can find information about referencing here and here. The main thing is that references should give as much information as possible. So, where newspaper articles are referenced, these should include the name of the author (where possible, or anon if not), the title of the article in which the information appears, the newspaper, the date and a page reference. References to books should give the author's name, book title, the name of the publisher, place of publication, date and a page reference if possible. The Kenyon article also references some sources that I imagine might be unpublished e.g. the Minutes of the Irish Confederation or the Killaloe Diocesean Archives, but it is still usually possible to give some information about where these documents can be found, a date, and an author (even if its a group author such as 'The Irish Confederation'). Basically, use the 'Cite' tool in the editing toolbar (as I think you have been doing) and just fill in as many fields as possible!!

If you have any questions, just drop me a note on my talk page - I'd be more than happy to help out.

All best, Loriski (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Just to say thanks for all your work on the Kenyon article - I've removed the tag :) Loriski (talk) 21:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Some thoughts ...

Hi Meenagh!

Thank you for your lovely message :)

Re. the help - you're so welcome! You'd obviously put loads of research into the article so I was glad to help out.

Re. the images. Yes, getting your head around wiki image policy is an absolute nightmare eh? I found it all very confusing. Still, I've uploaded a few now so should hopefully be able to help out a bit. Basically, the main challenge with using images on Wikipedia is that you have to show that they're properly licensed. Now, I think (but correct me if I'm wrong) that the picture you're trying to use is a photograph of an old painting, right? You say it is a 'google image' that you're trying to upload - so I guess that means that it is not a photo that you yourself have taken of the painting, but one that you've found on the internet? If I'm right about all this, then there are two options. Either

a. we need to find out who took the original photograph of the painting (Boland, maybe?), contact them, and get permission from them to use it on Wikipedia or

b. if you have access to that painting, and it is in a public place, you could take a picture of it yourself and upload it onto wikipedia with a free license.

In short - images that appear on 'google images' are not necessarily, in fact not often, free to use as they are protected by copyright. Therefore, wikipedia can't use them otherwise it gets into trouble. I notice that you say someone gave permission for the image to be used. Was this permission given to you personally? If so - then no problems at all. All you need to do is get that person to confirm their permission in an email. There's a standardised way of doing that, and I'd be more than happy to help you out with that if you like.

If this hasn't helped (!) you can always go to Wikiproject Images and Media and ask for help there. Or, equally, the Teahouse is a really great place to get advice from expert editors - so you could try there too.

Re. Edits to the Daniel O'Connell page. First of all - sorry you've had difficulties with it. It looks like this is an article with a lot of history of different people working on it though - so don't feel you've been singled out! With most articles like that, it's the common thing for any new entries to the article to require a lot of discussion first :)

In truth, I don't know anywhere near enough about Irish history to be able to give you much advice on whether that information should go in or not. I can tell you that you've definitely handled it in the right way - editing and then discussing when your edit was reverted rather than ending up in an edit war :) I think discussing it on the talk page is definitely the best way to go (and the normal way of doing things when an edit is contested). To do that: create a new section on the talk page, provide the information you'd like to add and a bit of info about why you think it should go in, and then wait to see what other contributors to that page think.

Since Rashers Tierney raised the issue of Undue Weight, there's a couple of other things you may want to consider. First off - you could think about 1/more alternative versions of your entry to suggest on the talk page. Maybe something like: "O'Donnell was also heavily criticised by the Young Irelander, Father John Kenyon, in articles in The Nation and elsewhere". This may be less controversial than the quote you gave, but then if people want to find out more they can follow the link to your article on Kenyon. The other thing to think about is how "notable" Kenyon's criticisms were - i.e. Kenyon is clearly notable, but were his criticisms of O'Donnell noted or commented on by (a significant number of) other people at the time? If so, then there's definitely a case for some version of your edit to go in; if not, it may be a case of undue weight.

So yes, in short, put it on the talk page and wait to see what happens. If there's not enough discussion, so no consensus is reached, there are other things that can be done, but you need to give that a try first. And again, if you're feeling frustrated or want further help - do check out the Teahouse. The folk there are all experts and really helpful...

And of course, write back to me any time if you think I can be of help :)

All best,

Loriski (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hi Meenagh, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have moved the large article content from this talk page to User:Meenagh/John Kenyon, because a user talk page is for posting messages, and so it shouldn't be cluttered up by unrelated content. Feel free to edit the draft subpage!

About File:John Kenyon 2.jpg: you basically need to provide who created it and where you got it from. The {{Information}} template is helpful for this purpose. Last, you must add a copyright tag—see Wikipedia:File copyright tags for this. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Again, welcome! David1217 ^{What I've done} 01:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Just because I thought you handled the difficulties you encountered with your edits brilliantly. Here's hoping you'll persist, weather out the difficulties, and stick at Wikipedia as you've already made a great contribution! Loriski (talk) 01:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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