Mdyogi

Namaste

Yogani Article Deletion

Hi Chairboy,

Just wondering why you went ahead and deleted my article after I had contested it and was writing an extremely detailed explanation of why the article had been previously deleted and why it should have a home on Wikipedia. Please let me know. Thanks and have a great day. Mdyogi 19:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! Please see WP:CSD General criteria, article 4. The community had decided to delete it via the deletion process and it had been removed. Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 19:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I've restored the article, thank you for your writeup! Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 20:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yogani

Yup, I read it. That's why I AfD'ed the article rather than speedied it. The sources are not up to Wikipedia standards. Jefferson Anderson 15:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and on the quotes section. Nothing is wrong with the quote if it is integrated into the article. However, while a "quotes" section used to be part of the article structure on Wikipedia, it has been deprecated. Quotes are no longer put in a section by themselves.... Jefferson Anderson 15:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

No offence, Mdyogi, but you really shouldn't try to carry on a discussion on the AfD page. Use my talk page or the article talk page, please.

I put it up for deletion because after reviewing the article, the talk page, and the previous AfD, it was my opinion that no third party sources would be found. Specificly, nothing shows up that could be used on the first few pages of a Google search for yogani -ayp. Since you can't use AYP published books or press releases, or forums or blogs, etc., etc., I fail to see what could be used to support the article. I am sure that if Yogani were not anonymous, there would be sources by now, but I don't see how anything reputable could every be produced about an anonymous figure only known as an internet presence. But have at it, if there is anything on the net, you'll find it somewhere in the search given above. Jefferson Anderson 19:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Open source

You might want to note that there is an article on Open source religion. If the article does end up getting deleting, I don't see any problem adding a paragraph or two about Yogani to that article and then redirecting Yogani to it. Technically, the same level of sources are required, but in actuality, I think the sources you have would be accepted to support an addition to that article. Standards are usually held to more strictly in the case of a seperate article... It's also possible that an article focused on AYP rather than Yogani might be less controversial. What an organization or publisher has to say about itself is frequently more respected than what the individual behind it has to say about himself... I believe there are a number of articles about books considered to be notable enough to keep, while there were no third-party bios of the author, so the author is represented in the article about the book... So there are a couple of possible ways to proceed that will allow a mention on Wikipedia while waiting for third-party sources to appear, which they are sure to, I think. It's just that there is usually quite a lag time. Yogani should arrange to do some phone or email interviews with a print Yoga magazine. That would do it! Jefferson Anderson 22:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC

Re:Yogani Article - Question Regarding Sources

Hi Mdyogi, there shouldn't be a problem linking to the interviews, as long as you mention the source, author(parties involved in interview), and date of broadcast. Ideally a transcript of the interview would be great, however that would have to be done by a third party. As far as using things wich are hosted on the AYP site, this is fine as long as 1)The content is not in copyright violation and 2)Counts as a Reliable source - In this case the AYP website is simply acting as a mirror of the original recordings. Hope this helps, Sfacets 21:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion withdrawn

Yes, making sure that it is all sourced to the radio program makes it encyclopedic in my opinion, so I've withdrawn the nomination. This won't stop someone else from nominating it, so if you can find more sources and expand, it would be a good idea. It would also be a good idea to put a footnote citation on each paragraph at least even if it is all cited to the same source just to make it clear that it is sourced and to prevent confusion if and when material from other sources is added. Jefferson Anderson 18:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, to do that effectively, only use the full citation on the first occurance, but add a name to the ref tag, like this, <ref name="whatever">text of citation</ref>. Then on each subsequent occurance, just put <ref name="whatever" /> and it will use the same footnote... Jefferson Anderson 18:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)