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Could you please provide a verifiable source in support of the tragic story of Mr & Mr Sander? --Waltloc (talk) 15:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi hi. I am wondering why the beautiful page I created on this historic house keeps being changed? I put a lot of effort and thought into it and it does not violate your policy. I throughly researched the house and submitted an entire report for my Art class at Westhill. It is the only Lloyd Wright house in our city and legend has it is haunted. Hence the suicides. I found much of the information from the FL Wright Foundation and also from my local library and the City of Stamford Assessors Office. There is no negative tone. The history is part of the house. I will put it back the way I had it. M.M.
- I replied on the talk page for the article. In short, Wikipedia has very different standards than a research paper. You have done some great work but, odd as it sounds at first, Wikipedia is not the place to publish your findings. I provided some policy information in my other comment, but check out WP:NOR. Thanks! Savewright (talk) 04:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand who you, "Savewright" are? Who is "Waltloc?" I am changing the article back ot the way I had it. I also gave you specific sources of the sucides.
- Please do not revert the article again as it may be considered disruptive or vandalism. Your changes contain numerous opinions with no supporting citations. You have overwritten other changes by other editors as well, including the removal of a dead promotional link not cited by the article. You also changed structural details of the house, removing a cited source (NY Times), without discussion. On the discussion page you have shown bias toward the subject, which isn't helpful. You also deleted a previous attempt to talk with you on this page. If you can provide independent, published references for your claims please provide them on the page. Otherwise, Wikipedia is not a place to publish original research WP:NOR. If you have questions on these policies you can ask for help on the noticeboards. Thank you. Savewright (talk) 06:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- As an example, I've included a portion of the article below showing phrases that would need individual citations in order to remain in Wikipedia. Unless you have references for these claims, please do not re-introduce the information into the article. Again, we're not doubting your information or saying the research is bad. We just cannot include it without attribution to a trusted, published source:
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Many Wright architectural scholars and followers have attributed the Springbough as one of Wright’s least successful residential designs.[citation needed] Frank Sander’s wife, Judith Sander was the person who was truly responsible in commissioning Springbough from Wright.[citation needed] The Sanders were Jewish immigrants from Germany and were holocaust survivors.[citation needed] The Sanders, who were elderly with no children, asked Wright to design a house for them based on another of Wright’s designs called the George Sturges House located in Brentwood Heights, California.[citation needed] Therefore, the Sanders needed to find a piece of land with southern exposure with steep terrain in order for the design to work.[citation needed] This was done backwards. Usually clients would purchase a piece of land first and then present the detailed land survey to Wright so he could draw a design to best match the site.[citation needed] Springbough is composed of Mahogany, burnt face brick and glass and sits on 2.3 acres and is cantilevered over a hill slope.[citation needed] The Sander’s made several alterations to Wright’s design in the working drawing stage.[citation needed] Probably the most extreme was altering the sleek external appearance of the house by adding an enclosed balcony.[citation needed] This is perhaps why the interior of the house is extremely dark and very enclosed compared to most of other of Wright's Usonian designs.[citation needed] One of the biggest misconceptions of the house is that Frank Lloyd Wright designed all the furniture.[citation needed] |
- Of all the information above, the only information I could find references for was the 2.3 acres and cantilever, unfortunately from a Geocities site. I added that reference and you've removed it nine times. In addition, much of the other information is out of place in Wikipedia because it either involves non-notable individuals and/or living persons and doesn't directly relate to the topic. Finally, the tone is wrong in many of these sentences (see WP:NPOV) and there are even typos. Again, by example, "The Sanders requested alterations to the design in the working drawing stage, including the addition of an enclosed balcony." While this solves the tone problem, it still needs a published reference for inclusion. Phrases such as "One of the biggest misconceptions..." also raise flags. If there is a big controversy, it should be easy to find published information. Again, I could find nothing. Feel free to add information relating to the structure back to the article, but please do it on a sentence-by-sentence basis and provide references. Savewright (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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1) You fail to identify who you are? 2) I will be removing the photo that I contributed. Your web page sucks if this is the way you treat contributor. 3) the NYT article is WRONG on the structural details you speak about. City of Stamford has the correct sft at the number I listed. 4) It is impossisble how to figure out how to use your website to make changes and signatures. I am a novice and don't have time to learn to do all this. How do you expenct contributions.
I will never contribute to you website again - ASSHOLE!
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!
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