Matses

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Southern Pacific/Antarctic route

Hello Matses. In your most recent addition to the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas page, you may wish to mention a theoretical extreme southern Pacific/Antarctic route (kind of a mirror image, Southern Hemisphere version of the Solutrean theory). There have been arrowheads, projectile points etc found in Antarctica -- although these may have been from more recent history. Some scholars have dismissed them as artifacts from Fuegians who followed seal hunters around in the 19th century. Twalls 18:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! I will do some research and incorporate some of these theories into existing articles. The presence of arrowheads (i.e. small projectile points) would tend to argue for a recent occupation in that bows and arrows are thought to be of relatively recent origin in the Americas (within the last 100 years or so). Twalls, thanks for your interesting comment. --Matses 22:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I saw citations of a handful of studies from the '70s-'90s that mentioned these findings in the Shetlands and possibly other sites. Most were inconclusive as far as dating or classification, and one report suggested the artifacts were so out of place that they may have even been planted. I don't know if they were thought to be arrowheads or spearpoints, as far as the bow question goes. Unfortunately, I don't have the references at hand, but the name Ruben Stehberg comes to mind - a Chilean archaeologist. This is more related to the question whether South Americans visited Antarctica in more recent Precolumbian times, rather than tracing migration routes that go back tens of thousands of years (if they exist at all, those are probably long gone). I have heard reports of projectile points as well as remains of a canoe found in the Falklands. There has always been speculation on how the Falklands Islands Fox (now extinct) got there. I tend to think that during the last LGM, extensive ice sheets combined with lower sea levels facilitated migration of animal life, if not people.

On the human migration question, there's an interview with Augusto Cardich here which you may find interesting:

http://www.centerfirstamericans.org/mt.php?a=34

TTYL, Twalls 23:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, when most scientists talk about migrations to the Americas and the LGM, they have a "Northern Hemisphere" bias, almost entirely ignoring possible southern migrations. Interestingly, Brazilian archaeologists talk about the possible migrations to South America via the South Pacific as if it was a generally accepted theory. Some even go as far as to say that Tierra del Fuegans contain the last remaining genetic remnants of the peoples who first colonized the Americas.

Twalls, thanks much for the discussion and references. --Matses 15:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Indigenous ethnic groups in Peru

Hi I noticed your aditions on Peru related articles, so please:

Join the Peru Project!
Visit also the Peru Portal

--Andersmusician $ 18:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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