User talk:Marudubshinki/Archive 48

Unauthorized bots

Hi Marudubshinki. Can you please stop running unauthorized bots in any form? There's a reason for the authorization process, which is that if more people think about what the bot is doing and then it has a trial period, mistakes are less likely to be made. It is against policy to run unauthorized bots; see Wikipedia:Bots, please. -- SCZenz 08:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

That is true, but I find running a bot to be extremely useful. Finding all these bugs are simply handy side-effects. --maru (talk) contribs 11:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you plan to talk to the people who deal with bot authorization and go through that process? -- SCZenz 11:47, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Already have, actually, weeks and weeks ago. --maru (talk) contribs 12:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe you've left off an important detail here: it would appear, from the information available to me, that approval was not granted. Certainly as of this edit on May 21, you had no approval for running Bot-Maru (since LightBringer is a member of the approvals group, he would know). Then you seem to have requested approval at WP:BRFA#User:Bot-maru and been denied. Am I missing something? -- SCZenz 13:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, so far as I know, my request is still pending, and thus neither accepted nor denied. --maru (talk) contribs 18:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Will you, or will you not, stop running a bot from your own account in violation of policy? -- SCZenz 10:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Omar Khayyam/ non-Euclidean geometry/ England

Hi; you've written that Khayyam critisms of the Parallel axiom came to England where they influenced the founding of non-Euclidean geometry. Are you sure of this? The founders of this subject were all (to my knowledge) in continental Europe. --A Geek Tragedy 17:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, the founders were in continental Europe, sure, but it's pretty hard to deny that Khayyam was an early forunner; see [1] MacTutor History of Mathematics archive's [2].

--maru (talk) contribs 18:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

O I'm not questioning that; I'm just wondering about "criticisms...made their way to England where they contributed to the eventual development of non-Euclidean geometry." It seems as though it should be "made their way to Germany, Hungary and Russia" or "made ther way to Europe". As a English mathematician I'd quite like your version to be true :), but I think it isn't. I'll change "England" to "Europe" for now since it will be a strictly weaker claim so I can't possibly be making it untrue. A Geek Tragedy 13:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see I misunderstood you. To be honest, I can't remember where the England bit came from. --maru (talk) contribs 16:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Michelangelo the Artist - an Appraisal's cleanup tag

Greetings Maru!

I am the person who put up the new article on Michelangelo the Artist. It was part of a long article that had a biography and a great deal of general information. This present article deals in depth with three of the four most significant works by the artist. I will write about the Pieta in due course.

I can assure you that there is little problem with the grammar, though sometimes my spelling is wanting. I must comment here also that when writing a general description for an encyclopedia, one does not use colourful or judgemental words.

But when one is writing about great works of art, then one is dealing with aesthetics. What one attempts to explain, in so many words, is why a particular work is visually pleasing, or disturbing. To omit descriptive adjectives from a discussion of art is almost impossible. Edit them out, and what have you left?

One might just as well look at a discussion of his life and endless argument as to his gender preferences. And not bother to look at the artworks themselves, except to say that the subject is such'n such, painted at such'n such a date and in such'n such a medium. Not really much use to the art student.

The references accidentally got left behind on the previous page. They are now reunited with the topic. You will have observed, of course, that there were references cited within the text. That was still a job in progress when I moved the page. (I'm working on a couple of other things as well andd hadn't got back to this.)

So I would be much obliged if you leave the stuff right where it is until it's finished, rather than encouraging people to chop it up before it's done.

--Amandajm 16:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I tags'em as I sees'em. That article was in desperate shape, and clearly shewed that it was chopped out of another. I was also concerned since the title made me nervous about POV forking and inherently subjective and unreferenced discussion of art that belonged more properly to Wikibooks or perhaps another similar project. --maru (talk) contribs 19:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

"Algoma School District"

I know it needs work, I only started the article and will see if some class in the school district this fall wants to tackle the page, otherwise I'll try to fix it as time goes on.David Unit 21:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Dead link bot - problem ?

Your bot reported this link as dead - it doesn't appear to be. Sometimes access to US mil/NASA domain is restricted by IP range (or it seems to be). --Megapixie 03:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

(You've probably already thought of this, but I have to say it). The error was a 404 error; if the domains were filtering by IP, wouldn't it be a connection refused by peer or similar error? 404 is supposed to mean a page is gone, not that there was an error in transmission or the server was configured to refuse the request for whatever reason, no? --maru (talk) contribs 03:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I must admit that getting a 404 error for the page is a little weird. Can you run that link through the code to see if you get the same result? http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/cover.htm seems to be up, and it seems unlikely that you'd have caught it being momentarily in a bad state. --Megapixie 03:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you're asking there. I can get to that link, certainly, but short of grepping an XML dump, parsing the output through some pipes, and then feeding that to weblinkchecker.py, there isn't anyway I can check a specific url- I can only check pages and ranges and such that link to an external URL; I can't check external URLs that link from to an article, if that makes sense. --maru (talk) contribs 03:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe there is a bug in your bot - and it is reporting false positives. Re-running the same input would confirm that. Megapixie 04:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah! I think I've figured it out. The problem is that that link is wrapped around by one of the referencing templates:

{{cite web|author=Loftin, LK, Jr.|title=Quest for performance: The evolution of modern aircraft. NASA P-468|url=http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/cover.htm|accessdate=2006-04-22}}

For whatever reason, the bot reads until the end of the template, including the "accessdate=2006-04-22" bit as the final portion of the web address. Of course, if you try to go to "http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/cover.htm%7Caccessdate=2006-04-22", what do you get? A 404 error, of course! I suppose I should shut down the bot, but the cite web template isn't used very often, and examples of cite webs in which there is no space between the link, the pipe, and the dating would be even rarer, so there'd be only a few false positives. I'm gonna go file a bug report now. --maru (talk) contribs 04:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Andre Engels has uploaded a patch he thinks solves the problem. Of course, it needs to be tested... --maru (talk) contribs 11:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It's ok.

I'm bored and I enjoy using my vast depository of Star Wars Knowledge with others and enjoy writing the article from scratch - good way of testing my memory.

Already know about the Wookiepedia, but some of the info I've listed isn't there.

Cheers. --James Random 15:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, part of the reason I suggested that you build on Wookieepedia's articles when Wikipedia doesn't yet have one is that theirs are generally better than yours. --maru (talk) contribs 19:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

solve_disambiguation doesn't respect MoS for dabs

Your robot (for robot-assisted disambiguation) should be tweaked so that it does not pipe links on disambiguation pages. Your edit to flux (disambiguation) converted a non-piped link to a piped link, contrary to WP:MOSDAB, which specifies that links on disambiguation pages should generally not be piped. --Srleffler 11:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Bug has been filed here. --maru (talk) contribs 19:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion Log from June 9th on article How to Build a Cat 5 Cable

Hello Marudubshinki,

I would like to know what the reasons were behind your deleting "How to Build a Cat 5 Cable" article that I posted? I personally did not write it, but it was written from someone in my company, and I was posting it here. It is also posted on both of our websites. www.cat-5-cable.com/building-cat-5-cable.html and www.comtradcables.com/cat-5-cable/cat-5-cable.aspx. If you could please list your reasoning behind this action, I would appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comtrad (talk • contribs)

Article quality issues entirely aside, the issue is copyright. If it was written by someone in your company, and for your company, it is almost guaranteed that your company owns the copyright. Which is to say, you cannot legally submit that to Wikipedia, because Wikipedia requires content to be at least licensed under the GFDL, and as you are not the company nor a legally autthorized agent (AFAIK), you cannot grant the GFDL license. Which means that any copy of that article on Wikipedia is illegal and a copyright violation, and the penalties for copyright violation in the US are severe. --maru (talk) contribs 20:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

On notability

One admin doesn't decide "notability". Please, stop acting like a smartass, and talk some sane.. "they are asshats, I'm an admin, I didn't violate any rules, and NO, THEY ARE NOT NOTABLE". Sounds like real bullshit going on here. You see, I already mentioned, myg0t are notable. Who the hell are you decide if you don't even play video games? Or, OOOOOOOH, do they have to be mentioned on G4TV to meet your luxury standards? Sigh.. this is stupid (please, don't satirize this sentence). There are so called "subcultures", and you don't seem to belong to the "gamers" one where everyone knows myg0t. Ask any gaming channel. ASK. GO. Quakenet, or gamesurge, list channels. Talk about "non-notable". Gamers don't know GNAA too much, so by my standards, they would not be too notable. What the hell? You're supposed to stand in a neutral point-of-view here.. alright.. I don't think that I made much of a change here anyways. --nlitement ^[talk] 21:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

VFDed Post-object programming

I've VFDed Post-object programming, and seen you contributed to the article, so maybe are interested in the deletion discussion. --euyyn 01:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

All I did was change the category, and the article didn't make sense to me even then, so thanks for the notice, but I don't particularly care. --maru (talk) contribs 18:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I blocked your account because it was running an unauthorized bot that was editing the comments of users. You have received many requests not to do this, even for small typos, which I think you should respect. Feel free to unblock yourself once your bot is no longer active or this problem is fixed. -- SCZenz 10:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Understood. (I forgot to include the namespace restriction! D'oh!) --maru (talk) contribs 19:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, your bot edited a closed RfC: Request for Comment/Ultramarine. This gives an inappropriate impression of new activity on an old RfC, as well as editing user comments. Please adjust your bot not to do this. Thanks. Robert A.West (Talk) 12:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The edit summary was quite clear. I don't see how a robot edit could give anyone the impression that a closed RfC was live or anything. --maru (talk) contribs 19:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, on my RFA, "the the" was supposed to be "to the" - deleting the second "the" made the sentence less comprehensible. Guettarda 13:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. Think that omitting a word is more comprehensible than a completely wrong word. --maru (talk) contribs 19:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree to this action anywhere. There can be case of a double "the the". There's a band called The The too who'll have mentions in various places. This should, if ran at all, be an AWB-only activity. No way should it be automated. Esteffect 21:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No. I restricted replacements to two lowercases, " the the ", so it would only match in the middle of a sentence as well. If the band The The is referenced, it would be as " The The ", which doesn't match the text string. If it is mispelled as " the the ", well, it was already erroneous anyway. --maru (talk) contribs 22:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The bot is also incorrecting legitimate uses of "the the" (uncapitalized). For example, it did this for the film title Attack of the the Eye Creatures in List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, which is specifically cited as an error in the film titling. (This is not the first time we've had to fix this "correction" in this article.) This demonstrates the need for human oversight of bot activity. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

One mistake. Out of literally hundreds (or possibly thousands by now). And notice that it was an error- just an error that apparently is interesting. A mistake by my bot which has apparently also been made at least twice before. Notice also that I've suggested a solution which should work in the appropriate section for the particular error you mentioned. I don't believe hundreds upon hundreds of obvious errors should be left unmolested for the sake of one unusual exception that proves the rule; human oversight would have solved little here- it is well known that human error rates monitoring repetitive actions are... suboptimal, to say the least. --maru (talk) contribs 03:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Small Towns in Durham

Why did you add a cleanup tag to Small Towns in Durham? There's nothing to clean up. I've marked it for speedy deletion now. --Tango 21:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

That's one way to cleanup an article, I suppose... --maru (talk) contribs 18:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't an article, it was a random link to Sunderland, nothing else. Adding a cleanup tag when you could have deleted it yourself is just wasting people's time. --Tango 11:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Bot woes

Hello. I have a bot issue. This page, List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, has been change by a bot at least twice before. The page should read "it was originally titled "The Eye Creatures" then carelessly retitled "Attack of the the Eye Creatures."" The double use of the word "the" is intentional. What can I do to make sure this edit doesn't occur again? Thanks. --Wowbobwow12 01:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, most bots (including mine) are running on a strict string-to-string command. If there was some way to mess up the " the the " string in the actual wikisource, while preserving its appearance, then you'd be set. What I would do is I would change (within the source of the actual page) the " the the " to instead be " <nowiki>the the</nowiki> ". This way, the appearance will be exactly the same, but the string bots would operate on would be quite different, and so they'll probably ignore it (but make sure you add in a comment why you have the strange formatting, or someone will probably come along and simplify it). Of course, you could also insert paired nowiki's in the intervening space if even that doesn't work. --maru (talk) contribs 01:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! --Wowbobwow12 01:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

No prob. If it doesn't work, please be sure to tell me. (The above was my general solution to protecting text from bots, so if it doesn't work...) --maru (talk) contribs 01:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

About the ics deleting

I was making stuff for the page. When I clicked Save, it had already been deleted.

Dunno what you are talking about. I did edit the article you are referring to, but I never deleted it. --maru (talk) contribs 03:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Odd speedies on New Pages patrol

Why aren't you deleting pages youself? If you're an administrator, you don't need to wait for someone else to speedy am article, you can do it yourself. And if you insist on having someone else speedy an article, you should at least use a proper WP:CSD category for your tags... --Grandmasterka 03:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Put shortly, I'm being lazy and using a semi-automated bot to filter through Newpages and generally ease adding templates and deleting. I'm inserting {{delete}} in those cases where I'm fairly sure it'd be a speedy, but I'd rather another admin double checked. As for why I don't use the {{db}} tags? Haven't figured out how to add them into followlive.py, is all. --maru (talk) contribs 03:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Bot Edit Summary

Robot: Automated text replacement (- the the + the).

Beautiful. Teke 03:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

? Is this expressing approval for the task, amusement at the laconic edit summary, or something entirely else? --maru (talk) contribs 03:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolute amusement. Made me laugh on the inside :) Teke 03:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh well then, in that case... LOLs all around! MISSION- successful? --maru (talk) contribs 17:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Miltones flag

Saw that you flagged the Miltones article I created. I'm not an expert on the group but I know it has been around for decades at one of the nation's oldest prep schools. Is there any harm in having a short entry as a resource for curious souls on the Web? Thanks! --Stirlazy 03:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, student organizations tend to be ephemeral and of limited interest. You mentioned them as being "of historical interest" but your article didn't even try to explain or justify why there'd be an article on them here. So.... --maru (talk) contribs 17:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Ships

I think your bot is slightly mal-programmed. My article on HMS Repulse (1868) my text starts "HMS Repulse......". It has been altered to read "The HMS Repulse......" which is grammatically incorrect. I have left it for the moment, but would welcome your comments. In the Royal Navy a warship is spoken of as a person. Saying "the HMS Repulse" is like saying "the Condoleeza Rice".--Anthony.bradbury 16:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

PS. I know it's different in the USA. USS Enterprise, for instance, is an abbreviation for United States Ship Enterprise; HMS means Her Majesty's Ship, and the usage is different.--Anthony.bradbury 16:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

As interesting as this is, I think you may have the wrong guy here- my diff doesn't appear to change the intro, but Agent 86's diff apparently does. Though to my ears "The HMS Repulse" sounds considerably more natural, but I'm an American so what do I know? :) --maru (talk) contribs 17:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks (for deleting vandalism)

You recently deleted Kimberlywooten, the user who created it has gotten a vandalism warning. --Geo. 21:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Think nothing of it. More credit is due the writer of the bot I'm using than me. --maru (talk) contribs 21:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

'Potato Hermits' entry cleanup

Thank you for checking my 'Potato Hermits' entry. Could you please give me some specifics on what needs cleaning up? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaL (talk • contribs)

Needs to be referenced, wikified, and notability needs to be better established- so they've been running a few years, but what makes them interesting and notable (hopefully on the level of Dr. Demento or similar novelty-music related topics). --maru (talk) contribs 01:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers. I'll try to clarify the entry within the next few days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaL (talk • contribs)