User talk:Marudubshinki/Archive 18

KOF infobox template

Thanks. I'm glad you like the template I made. Yes, I'm going toinsert it into all the KOF articles, and I'll try finidhing all thecharacter's today. BTW, how do you like Iori's article now..?-MegamanZero|Talk07:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Er... It still needs work. I'll leave it at that. ;)--Maru (talk)Contribs 01:27, 18 December2005 (UTC)

I just saw the addition to Mai Shiranui- why didn't you make it afull-fledged template like I suggested? --Maru (talk)Contribs 02:02, 18 December2005 (UTC)

Your comment...

Maru: "Wikipedia is not paper."

• Indeed. However, this was something asked of me by Tony in hopes ofreaching a concenus for the article. Seeing that my first compositionwas more directed toward the Orgy's actions, I reconsidered andconstructed a new thesis to depict my respective view on the article.As you can see,itwas clearly shown at the top of the page, and in the end, I proved mypoint and the article has been conformed to a higher standard ofquality. Just thought I should clear that misnomenor up.-MegamanZero|Talk17:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I was specifically referring to: "Also, the fact that my versioncuts down on GB and space consumption rectifies its reason for notputting a strain on the servers." Which both doesn't make sense to me,and if you were trying to say that a smaller version was better, Istrongly disagree (I am very much of the more is better school-superfluous data can easily be filtered out by a reader, and oftenturns out not to be superfluous, whereas missing useful data cannot befiltered back in, and often the lack of it goes un-noticed, so thereader couldn't fix it even should they have wished to.)--Maru (talk)Contribs 01:30, 18 December2005 (UTC)

I see. My mistake, but I still agree with my reason for a smallerarticle. In this case, the exceeded use of images and quotes had nobusiness in the article, as to put it quite simply, they didn'tacomplish anything. So, why consume space and GB when there's noreason to..? -MegamanZero|Talk 01:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Now here we are disagreeing on the quality of the content itself;I supported removing the pics because of copyright considerations, butelsewhere we part paths. --Maru (talk)Contribs 02:03, 18 December2005 (UTC)

• As as the quality of the article is concerned, I believe we agree: Itstill needs some work. In paticular, the text still reaks of POV andsounds very un-encyclopedic....

Also, concerning the template, you said why "didn't I make afull-fleged one?" I had, and I have inserted into other KOF articlesas well. -MegamanZero|Talk 02:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

BTW, the template can be found here.-MegamanZero|Talk 02:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but it doesn't seem to be used at all, according towhatlinkshere. --Maru (talk)Contribs 02:51, 18 December2005 (UTC)

Yes it does. :) See my[1]. -MegamanZero|Talk 02:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate- when I sayuse a template, I mean tuck all that html code away on a[[Template:FOO]] page, and only invoke it with{{FOO|bar|baz|etc}}, not do a cut and paste and fillin the approriate values. --Maru (talk)Contribs 02:57, 18 December2005 (UTC)

I assure you, our cummunication is fine. The reason why I do notdo it like that, is because it makes it harder to list and keep trackof information while I fill in the table's respective contents, so Isimply copy and paste the template on thearticle.-MegamanZero|Talk 03:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

There are reasons copy and paste is deprecated... syncing themany uses with an updated template, ease of use, and just plainaesthetics of the source code, among others.--Maru (talk)Contribs 03:15, 18 December2005 (UTC)

• I understand....really I do...It's just it takes much longer to fillin a "updated template" than the copy and pasted one; as 10 minutes asopposed to 30... -MegamanZero|Talk 04:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Really? I always just copy the actual template over from a referencearticle (typically Yoda, for {{Sw character}})and fill in the values. Even easier than copy/paste of the actual htmland wikimarkup of the original template. (Plus it is vastly more easyto understand and add to.) --Maru (talk)Contribs 04:42, 18 December2005 (UTC)

• Oh no, no.....the actual information itself it not the problem...itsjust when you're filling in the "updated" template, there's no valuesto look to when you insert the actual information. It's akin tolooking at a high school test and having to answer the questions, butthere's no questions to look at... That's why its so...so difficult.-MegamanZero|Talk05:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

? I'm not following you here. Are you referring to how, when youchange the template itself, preview does not work well? Or something?--Maru (talk)Contribs 22:17, 18 December2005 (UTC)

• Well, no... but seeing as I have inserted the templates into almostall of the KOF character articles, anyway, its not really importantregardless... -MegamanZero|Talk 22:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Brin-7.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Brin-7.jpg. I notice the imagepage currently doesn't specify who created the image, so thecopyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created theimage yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to usethe image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have notcreated the image yourself then you should also specify where youfound it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it,and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also addone. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} torelease it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or {{fairuse}}. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyrighttags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you havespecified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find alist of image pages you have edited by clicking on the"my contributions"link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you arelogged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Notethat any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week afterthey have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanksso much. --Thue | talk 12:49, 18December 2005 (UTC)

Oops. I uploaded those pictures (1-7), but it looks like I only putthe copyright data on #1 (Image:Brin-1.jpg). Anyway, I copied myCopyrightedFairUse rationale over to the other six pictures. Is thatgood? --Maru (talk)Contribs 13:50, 18 December2005 (UTC)

Yes, thanks :). Thue | talk 17:04,18 December 2005 (UTC)

need some adminy protection for an image

Image:Bill Gates1.jpg is being violated repeatedly by asockpuppet vandal and not in the slightly arousing way. :P--Kross | Talk 18:10, 19 December2005 (UTC)

Done. I'll unprotect it in a day or two. And is it just me, or hasvandalism suddenly experienced an upsurge lately coincident with theholiday season? --Maru (talk)Contribs 21:43, 19 December2005 (UTC)

Eggnog and computers don't mix, mmkay, class?--Kross| Talk 23:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Tis the season. --Maru (talk)Contribs 19:29, 21 December2005 (UTC)

Foreign naming

I didnt know who to ask but here you go. Ive noticed that somevideogame aritcles link to the foreign or american name. Indigo Prophecy links to Fahrenheit (video game) this isbecause Indigo Prophecy is the US name while the Farenheit is the namein foreign countries. A vice versa act is when Wanda and theColossus the direct Japanese name translation for the game Shadowof the Colossus, so in Japan its Wanda in the US its Shadow, Wandawas originally given the article name but someone moved the info toShadow and made a redirect there. What is the Wiki article supposed tobe named? After the original foreign name? Or the US name?--Psi edit

This is tricky- but I'll answer with the caveat that since you areasking me, I won't check the naming guidelines to see if this issue iscovered, and so my ensuing discussion is unofficial.

Anyways, the Right Thing is this sort of naming is to preferentiallygo with the the official name, since it is official, what the primarysource/originator/owner-of-the-copyrights goes with, and henceprobably also the most common (translations tie in here; f'erinstance, "Neon Genesis Evangelion" is not a literal translationof the Japanese series name, nor is it a faithful transcription; butit is official, and thusly the most common name, and obviously thearticle name). The most common name is enshrined in the namingguidelines as the way to go, so such situations are simple. In thecase of Shadow of the Colossus, if the original name was theactual English phrase "Wanda and the Colossus", then there would betrouble, since one could easily make a case that the original name isboth comprehensible and primary over a localization. However, "Wandaand the Colossus" is merely a translation of ワンダと巨像, and so onewould go with the official titling, which is "Shadow of the Colossus".This also ties in with the observation that we are the EnglishWikipedia, and so rightly our language and naming should take intoaccount that readers will primarily be American, British, Australian,etc, which justifies using the American title for Shadow.

Hope this little discussion helps. --Maru (talk)Contribs 21:55, 19 December2005 (UTC)

Image:PPTParadigmShiftsFrr15Events.jpg

Since you commented on the image talk page, I'd like to let you know Ihave expanded the description of this graph. --PiotrKonieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^{<fontcolor="green">Talk} 23:46, 19December 2005 (UTC)

It's much clearer now about the sources; I fixed one of the links foryou. --Maru (talk)Contribs 00:46, 20 December2005 (UTC)

71.103.202.24

Thank you for your assistance with this user. My clicking hand wasstarting to get tired from all those reverts! --JHMM13(T | C) 00:55,20 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem. I used to have to use reverts too, and well I rememberhow tedious multiple reverts were (I was so happy when I could startusing rollbacks). --Maru (talk)Contribs 00:57, 20 December2005 (UTC)

Cleaning up talk pages

Hey, I noticed you editing talk pages to make them generally looknicer. While it doesn't hurt anything, it doesn't really help mucheither, since not too many public people read them ;) Scott Ritchie 07:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I cannot help it; it is an addiction for me. But then again, itis often a prelude to working on the main article, as it lets me checkout in detail the people that edit that article, what sorts of thingsthey do to it, bones of contention, pitfalls, what should be givenespecial attention for fixing etc. And it makes a part of the overallarticle more pleasant for me to read anyway.--Maru (talk)Contribs 18:24, 20 December2005 (UTC)

re:Category:Wikipedians by D&D Alignment

I noticed you are categorized as a Wikipedian by alignment. If youare in to userboxes, there are now infoboxes available using astandard template. See the alignment category page for details.

This is a copied announcement, please reply on Talk Page or in the category talk if you have any questions.--xaosflux^{<fontcolor="#00FF00">Talk}<fontcolor="#888888">/_{<fontcolor="#666666">CVU} 18:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. --Maru (talk)Contribs 14:45, 21 December2005 (UTC)

Fire Emblem Pictures

I moved some of the minor characters into List of minor charactersin the Fire Emblem series. You can delete the pictures if it'sabsolutely necessary... --Zxcvbnm 03:55, 21 December2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid so. Fair use allows only so many, and more opensWikipedia up to charges of copyright infringement (which have quiteextraordinary penalties). --Maru (talk)Contribs 04:24, 21 December2005 (UTC)