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G11
Hi,
Quick question. For the second time in the last few days I started to improve an article just to realize the whole thing is one big ad a few edits in. Earlier it was the one about which I posted this thread at NPOVN, and today Smartsheet. This is what it looked like a few minutes ago. I removed a bunch of it, but as I was rewording and renaming the "product detail" section I lost hope. At this point, however, it's less clear that it's a G11. What would you recommend doing? AfD it? CSD anyway? Revert my changes and CSD? Advice appreciated. --— Rhododendrites talk | 17:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- ...Actually I see now that Smartsheet was previously kept after an AfD, so I guess my question is moot, but advice on the kind of situation I perceived it to be would still be welcomed. --— Rhododendrites talk | 17:40, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Rhododentrites, thanks for trying to do the right thing(tm)! One thing you should *never* do is actively make an article worse. If you made some improvements, and still think the article should go, reverting the improvements so that it more clearly meets the CSD is Just Wrong(tm). If you think something really needs to go, but doesn't meet the strict letter of CSD, use PROD; that's what it's for, and the process is almost as light as CSD. The rule of thumb I use for CSD is should this page be deleted right now? If the answer is no, PROD is fine. If you have any doubt that the article should be deleted, always use AfD. There is a little more process involved, and will take some other peoples time, but on the plus side, their time is well spent. They might find something that shows that yes, the article should be kept. That's a win. I hope that helps, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, reverting to make the article worse again seems like bad practice regardless of the end result -- I just didn't know if there was some precedent for that sort of thing (or maybe a way to tag it to make things clear). Thanks for clarifying. Many articles that get G11ed are such that removing a few blocks of text might make it so they aren't G11ed (as I presume the case would be if I CSDed Smartsheet after my own edits). Deleting a few blocks of text shouldn't be sufficient to bring something from CSD-worthy to keep-worthy (otherwise just delete the text rather than delete, right?), but because admins rightly use caution in executing CSDs, it's only natural that the presence of that extra promotional text makes a difference. Maybe the moral of the story is to read through the whole article before starting to make improvements :) Anyway, thanks for your help. --— Rhododendrites talk | 00:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Rhododentrites, thanks for trying to do the right thing(tm)! One thing you should *never* do is actively make an article worse. If you made some improvements, and still think the article should go, reverting the improvements so that it more clearly meets the CSD is Just Wrong(tm). If you think something really needs to go, but doesn't meet the strict letter of CSD, use PROD; that's what it's for, and the process is almost as light as CSD. The rule of thumb I use for CSD is should this page be deleted right now? If the answer is no, PROD is fine. If you have any doubt that the article should be deleted, always use AfD. There is a little more process involved, and will take some other peoples time, but on the plus side, their time is well spent. They might find something that shows that yes, the article should be kept. That's a win. I hope that helps, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Talkback
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Something
You forgot my anthem:
www.earthdayanthem.homestead.com
The lyrics and original arrangement are under copyright to me (registered with the U.S. Copyright Office PA 1-714-154), and you have my permission to reprint it in Wikipedia. If the Indian lyrics don't have a permission disclaimer, they should.
In 2014 it made it into:
Now in "How it Works
www.conserve-energy-future.com
Also made it into "Days of the Year"
India is already making a big play for its Earth Day song/anthem, squeezing me out of the Earth Day page. Fortunately, the Indians cannot write lyrics or music. The grassroots are rooting for me. Amateurs can sing mine without a rehearsal or much (if any) singing aptitude. Somebody even translated my lyrics into Spanish (unbeknownst to me).
Please do not shuffle me off by saying my comments belong elsewhere, blah, blah, blah. Although Wikipedia claims to be flexible, there is ALWAYS yet another rule invented. And whoever in India is not playing fair in Wikipedia, I have notified the US Ambassador to the UN saying forget the whole official Earth Day UN resolution anthem thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.67.198.194 (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- So, I think I'm missing some context. There is probably a reason why you would come to my talk page, where I should know what this is about, but unfortunately I don't. Could you maybe help me along with what you would like me to do, because I fear this may be a case of tuesday. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Springer article
Dear Martijn,
I noticed that you scheduled Springer's article for deletion. I have searched and found a mirror source for his title.
Here it is : http://positivists.org/blog/archives/2537
It appears that it was posted there before Weekly science shared it on their website. Furthermore, weekly science seems to be a new website and hence you won't find many articles there. While weekly science seems a shaky source as you mentioned, I think that positivists.org is a good source.
Why doesn't he have his title on his CV yet? Like I said, research group leaders barely focus on their reputation and updating their profiles on the internet. Not to mention that the university's website doesn't receive much attention to update his information.
Hope you reconsider this!
Best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourcecode12 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I noticed you removed your comments from the discussion. That's obviously OK, but that is the correct place to make these kinds of arguments. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014
Did you know?
The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates. If your wiki has enabled the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, press "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" and select the appropriate template from the menu.
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The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.
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Eleonor England's Page
Hi, you recently deleted Eleonor England's page and I would like to work on it to improve it. Could you move it to my sandbox so I can work on it? Thank you a lot :) Locutoro (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's over at User:Locutoro/Eleonor England. Looking at it, it's one of the least spammy pages I think I ever speedily deleted, and probably could be rescued with some decent copy editing. Good luck! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 06:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Locutoro (talk) 09:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
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Request for comment
Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Discussion on major honours
Hi there, I have just responded to your request for discussion on the classification of major/minor honours:
It would be great to get your inputs so that we can get some sort of consensus. As my new post on that talk page shows, I think that all trophies should be listed as you edited for last year, but it would be great to either introduce a major honours column or even to re-title the page to just 'honours' as it does not do what it says in the title at the moment. Mountaincirque 14:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- Wow, that's a blast from the past. Thank you for sharing your opinion there. I don't think it's all that contentious anymore, discussion seems to have died down. If you want to change anything there, I would encourage you to be bold and go ahead and change what you think is better, but to tread carefully when challenged. Cheers, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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Glanmor School page
Many thanks for approving this page. Apologies for troubling you since I didn't realise I could create it myself without having to ask. Also, can the page title change to Glanmor School, without the symbol over the o (i.e. not Glanmôr)? I now think I made a poor choice because it will be impossible to find the page because of this awkward symbol. I can't find it via the Wikipedia search box, or Google. I've tried to Move the page to Glanmor School, but got the message 'The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move.' Can the page be moved, please? EleriWall (talk) 00:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry, (again!). The page Glanmor School does now exist - the Move must have happened - and I found it via Google. So I'm happy.EleriWall (talk) 00:55, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hi @EleriWall:, I see you found the move tool! Great stuff. I moved the page back to Glanmôr School, because that's the proper name. The searching shouldn't be a problem anymore; there is now a redirect from Glanmor School to Glanmôr School which should fix the Wikipedia search box, and Google search is generally a matter of hours before they index it. Happy editing and welcome to Wikipedia! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 06:42, 30 May 2014 (UTC)