Maerean

March 2020

Hello, I'm JavaHurricane. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Volkswagen Passat (B8), but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. JavaHurricane 08:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

JavaHurricane what a ridiculous edit you have done here. The information posted by the original author was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.170.238 (talk) 10:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Reverting edits of a page about a specific product (car model) that the editor owns and uses every day.

Maerean (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC) "Hello, I'm JavaHurricane. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Volkswagen Passat (B8), but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it..."

You have reverted a big edit I have made to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Passat_(B8)#Passat_GTE

Just because some wikipedia content doesn't cite a source that doesn't make the content incorrect or added in bad faith.
You are allowed to revert changes only if you believe the content to be utterly incorrect or added in bad faith.
A missing source for the information is not basis enough to remove the content.
The truth value of the content being correct or incorrect is not related to a source being provided even if increases the faith in the content.
I will find sources to cite.

Not all information is present and linkable on the web.
There is little information on the internet about this specific car model. That's why I'm adding the information on its wikipedia page.

This is a car that I have owned for some time now.
As an owner of the product, my own experience is the source of the information.
Also, the content is a compilation of watching a lot of reviews (video content) on the internet on the specific category of products/cars.
I have presented the information in good faith in a neutral tone and a balanced approach, presenting both advantages and disadvantages.

Not all information provided by car manufacturers (that they advertise on their websites) is verified in real life even if one can easily provide it as a source.
Also, manufacturers only present the advantages of the product and the specific category of products.
Only the owners of the products get to learn the disadvantages once they use the product.

Do owners of specific car models and car types really need to create a website of their own and post their experience there just to have a citation url in the wiki page so you don't delete the content from Wikipedia so nobody can access it?
Please answer the above question about the process of editing wikipedia pages of specific car models. This is more relevant to rare models that haven't been sold in large numbers.

If you feel more citation is needed, please just add a "citation needed" note, don't delete the content entirely.
We shouldn't go into a loop of me adding content and value to a wikipedia page and you removing it.
That's not right. I ask you to improve the content and value of that specific page and not destroy it.

Please put back the content you have removed and add a "citation needed" note where you feel necessary.

I will search for the video reviews I have mentioned and add them as sources.

PS: I didn't find an actual Message/Reply option in wikipedia. I hope this is the way to have this conversation with you.

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia policies (specifically WP:RS and WP:OR) clearly tell us that we cannot use original research in articles. All information here has to be cited with a reliable source. The information may be correct, but you'll have to provide a reliable source to back up your information; otherwise, the information may be summarily removed. -- JavaHurricane 09:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Maerean (talk) 10:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC) I have removed all my edits since they are based on my original research which (Wikipedia policies (specifically WP:RS and WP:OR) clearly tell us) cannot be used and is not a reliable source to be cited.
The section is back to its original state. Empty. And useless.
Anyone interested can read my original research on the Volkswagen Passat GTE B8 outside Wikipedia.