Lotusyeeter

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Vlassis Rassias

I reverted your addition to Vlassis Rassias per WP:FAILEDVERIFICATION. The first source was not a WP:RS, and the info was misrepresented; attending an open lecture is not the same thing as being accepted in an organisation. The last two sources were good, but the quote is attributed to YSEE USA, not Rassias. I turned one of them into a further reading link rather than removing it entirely. There is good info about Rassias in there, but please make sure that everything is supported by the sources and free from your own synthesis. Ffranc (talk) 13:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Saitama Prefecture Dog Lover Serial Murders

Hello, Lotusyeeter. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Saitama Prefecture Dog Lover Serial Murders".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Vlassis Rassias and YSEE again

I reverted your new additions of controversy sections to the articles Vlassis Rassias and Supreme Council of Ethnic Hellenes, for similar reasons as in 2020 (see above). There may very well be info of the type you added that is warrented to mention in the articles, but it needs to comply with Wikipedia policies such as WP:RS and WP:OR. You can for example not take a text by Rassias and make your own interpretation of it, adding labels that aren't present in it. If you add criticism, it must be criticism that has been published in a source Wikipedia considers reliable, or even better, an uninvolved scholar's summary of conflicts and criticism that others have engaged in. If you want good examples of how to write about nationalism and paganism, I suggest you take a look at the articles Else Christensen and Doreen Valiente. They don't cover anything up, but everything is cited to good sources and there are no sections devoted entirely to criticism; the info is mentioned where it is relevant, and not in the form of attacks on the person. Ffranc (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused as I cited two to three academic papers where he was listed as nationalistic, white supremacist etc. I also do not understand why controversy sections are an issue when many Wikipedia pages on public persons have controversy sections (such as the late Jerry Lee Lewis). Lotusyeeter (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

If Aleister Crowley's page is a relevant example as well, we could have a "views on monotheism and ethnicity" section, but the content itself shouldn't require that much change. Lotusyeeter (talk) 22:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I could also change the header to "criticism", though the YouTuber thing was sufficiently big enough of an issue within the community for it to be considered controversial, in my opinion (and experience). I don't think it's fair to the subject to relegate all criticisms to "further reading" at the bottom of the pages. Lotusyeeter (talk) 22:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, just double checked and I see the Jerry Lee Lewis relationships is more of a subsection! My bad. Lotusyeeter (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

The Youtube videos will never comply with WP:RS, they can't be used as sources. If there ever is some scholarly article or similar source that summarizes these conflicts we can use that. But if it's just another online fight it will likely never be notable. The other sources you used are at best in a grey area, as they are from CESNUR which is listed as unreliable at WP:RSP. Maybe that will change at some point, but as of now they need to be avoided, and there are probably users who would delete them from the further reading section as well. Nevertheless, I didn't spot anything in those sources where Rassias or the YSEE are referred to as nationalistic or white supremacist. If it doesn't explicitly say so, it can't be in the articles, and even if it is explicit, it will need attribution, so readers have a clear picture of who the label comes from. Ffranc (talk) 11:36, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, I see. I think only one author wrote for CESNUR though -- do the other papers have reliability issues as well? Lotusyeeter (talk) 22:56, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

If you mean "Mary, Athena, and Kuan-yin", it should be fine as a source. But make sure that everything you write actually is in the source. For example, the paper quotes an anti-Semitic comment from YSEE USA, but not from the Greek organization nor from Rassias. It says there are "romantic" elements in the YSEE's journal, but nothing about nationalism or supremacism, quite the opposite actually. Ffranc (talk) 12:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

March 2023

Hi Lotusyeeter! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Sandtalon (talk) 07:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

What should I do if a claim lacks citations and were made from a biased editor? Lotusyeeter (talk) 07:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Again, if it is contentious (and if you're arguing over it and using words like "biased," then it clearly is), then that's not the right place for a minor edit. You are free to change that material, but just don't check the minor box! Claims without citations...may be more of a grey area, depending on what they are, but in general, it is best to be very judicious and limited with what edits you mark minor. Typos, obvious vandalism, corrections to obvious factual errors that someone is unlikely to dispute—these are the places for minor edits. The page linked above goes into it in more detail and the rationale. Sandtalon (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand! Sorry for the confusion. Lotusyeeter (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kami of Kumano (September 12)

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Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

Is it that I need English sources? Or simply more? Lotusyeeter (talk) 21:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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