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Re:Ferb Fletcher GAR

I've responded to almost everything. Everything else is comments about stuff I'm confused/unsure of. Cheers, The Flash ^{talk} 04:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Responded to everything again. The Flash ^{talk} 18:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Same thing. The Flash ^{talk} 00:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Done! :) The Flash ^{talk} 01:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Ila (Hinduism)

I am going for 3-week vacation on 8th next week. so I request you to list GA concerns as soon as possible so I can get some time to resolve them. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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Digital Leather

Thanks for the feedback. I'm working with the author of the image to get you the proper permission to use the image. I will work on cleaning up the references by added the missing information as suggested. Thank you and I will have those changes done shortly. --Azlord (talk) 22:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Garth Jones

Thanks for the comments, I was a little concerned about my objectivity too and will include references where the text sounds a little glowing and revisit my style. Can I ask a few questions that I was not able to answer through the Help (maybe I didn't try hard enough)? I have now included an external link to an article in French Wikipedia (Jerome Doucet) - can this be included in the English text through the usual [[]] technique? I tried, even with the correct French accents, but it went "red". I should also allow the artist to be referenced as the shortened "Garth Jones", how do I do that? Thanks again, GarthJones (talk) 10:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Could've Been You

Hi Liquidluck!, the Could've Been You article needs more edits? Kekkomereq4 (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, sorry- I've been meaning to finish that GA review. Thanks for the reminder, I'll do it next. Liqudluck✽talk 19:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Nice work! I've taken a look and added a few more comments on the talk page. Liqudluck✽talk 00:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok I've done all, but you can check my english?

P.S. Can you also help me with this review Hell on Wheels (song)? Kekkomereq4 (talk) 20:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I added a few more comments to the CBY GAR. I'll take a look at Hell On Wheels tomorrow. Liqudluck✽talk 02:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC) I

Ok I've done all, and very thank you for the check :-) Kekkomereq4 (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your work, I've really appreciated your help! Kekkomereq4 (talk) 20:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Cynthia Cozette Lee

Thank you very much for your insightful critique of my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lezahstar/Cynthia_Cozette_Lee on the composer, Cozette. Would you please let me know how I can contact or find an editor that deals with composers so that I can further develop my article to a workable piece suitable for Wikipedia? I came across the Wikipedia Composer Project but I was not certain how I can contact them about considering an article on Cozette. Perhaps you could provide me some information. Again thank you.Lezahstar (talk) 04:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Alan Heston

Thank you very much for your comments! I've added third-party references and removed the text that seemed to resume-ish. Do you have any recommendations for further changes that would make the article suitable for Wikipedia? Thanks! Resumerenovators (talk) 20:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)ResumeRenovators

DYK for All Is Love

On January 7, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article All Is Love, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Thanks for the comments, answered your queries. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

answered your queries. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 07:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look, I have answered your comments. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Plz check. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the pass and your contribution sin copyedit. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Hannah Montana: The Movie 2

Hey Liquidluck, I was just wondering around and noticed that many templates for television shows and films have their own design; I saw template:Phineas and Ferb, template:24, and more. So I think the Hannah Montana: The Movie template should be changed in color. The current one is not very good. I think we should base it on the film poster. Check web colors and tell me what color you have in mind. Also, I think you should watch the movie because that's the article after Back to Tennessee (song). Also, have you seen a single cover for that song? Can you also comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Montana 4. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Please read above and look at the source I found for "Back to Tennessee". I think we can really do good on this one. I'm starting on music video. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Check this, its about 5 minutes of him explaining the song and the video. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I finished the music video section and the chart performance section. Please answer. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ipod. I just got on a few minutes ago. I want to finish up a GAR quickly (I figured I should review some, since we're nominating so many), and then I'll come join you. this site should be good for lyrics. Liqudluck✽talk 03:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

O.K. I'm going to review the evil guy from Phineas and Ferb. I know its going to be nominated. Plus, I already read it. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 04:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Just gathering sources so we won't lose them, [1]. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 04:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, for your other comments, I once tried to make the Hannah Montana tv series template more fitting, but my edits were reverted. I think we can try it for the movie template, as long as it is still clear and legible. That 24 template is really cool. Really awesome source gathering! I haven't seen a single cover yet, but I'll keep a look out. Liqudluck✽talk 04:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Good idea reviewing Doofenshmirtz. He's a fun character, and the article has a lot of original research that needs weeding out. Liqudluck✽talk 04:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Doofenshmirtz is my favorite character in that show, Perry comes at second. There's a lot of development for Back to Tennessee... maybe even a little bit more than The Climb - we have production notes, the interview, and than the video replay. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I already asked a friend for an ogg sample and can you please do the lead. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, are you going to watch the movie soon? And have you heard "We Belong to Music". Can you comment in Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 December 2. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I haven't been able to watch the movie (even though I want to), and I don't think I will be able to. But I have read enough about it that I think I know everything that happens. You can probably help me if I don't understand something. I'll definitely take care of the lead, and I can do composition too if you want. I looked at the HM 4 discussion and I'll take a look at this one too.

I did listen to We Belong to the Music. I love the music for the entire song and the lyrics in the first half; I don't really like the second verse. What did you think? Liqudluck✽talk 05:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

O.K. about the movie. Thanks for commenting on this. We Belong to the Music is deathly catchy - i like the first verse better too; (especially the really high note - I bet that might be in 7 range); the second is not that memorable -- I'll get used to it. The entire song makes my hewad and body shake and nod my head to the beat. The song is a single on iTunes, man I wished my computer had the required XP SP. No worries, I'm getting it soon. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey Liquid, all done with Back to Tennessee and it was nominated. Let's add more critical reception to The Climb for a peer review and to find copy editors to help before FA nomination. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Let's start the movie in User:Ipodnano05/HT:TM (I misspelled it). -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:Back

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New Moon (2009 film) and Eclipse (2010 film)

Both these two articles were recently submitted for a name change. I did agree with this name change in February, however, now I am a strong opposing factor in why the name should ramian New Moon and Eclipse with the signifigant other name in the first line of the articles.

WP:NCCN and WP:PRECISION both state the title should be "terms most commonly used", "A good article title is brief and to the point", "Prefer titles that follow the same pattern as those of other similar articles", "An article can only have one name; however significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph". "And despite earlier reports that the movie would be known as The Twilight Saga's New Moon, the title will remain New Moon according to the movie's rep. They just have Twilight Saga in the artwork to identify it for anyone less devoted than your average fanggirl."Source.

Also see WP:PRECISION. I quote from there: "Articles' titles usually merely indicate the name of the topic. When additional precision is necessary to distinguish an article from other uses of the topic name, over-precision should be avoided. Be precise but only as precise as is needed. For example, it would be inappropriate to name an article "United States Apollo program (1961–1975)" over Apollo program or "Nirvana (Aberdeen, Washington rock band)" over Nirvana (band). Remember that concise titles are generally preferred."

However, I personally do not think we have had enough input and would like input from people who might not like these movies, or just edit them to help wikipedia out. The pages are: Talk:New Moon (2009 film)#Requested move and Talk:Eclipse (2010 film)#Requested move. Any help/input would greatly be apriciated.ChaosMaster16 (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

Fifteen (song)

No problem. It looks ready enough to go for GA the way I view it. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The Climb

Sorry, I was gone for a few days beacuse I was on a trip to Atlanta. I see that The Climb has gone under several changes. For the cover version of The X Factor winner, I don't know if it should have its own infobox or its own section. Please tell me how you would put it. Also, I see that the song was pulled from it's Grammy Nomination :( Please reply. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 20:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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Bloat

First, it's important that you understand my perspective: song articles should be about the song. They should not be about concerts, TV programs, or peripheral things related to one performer that performed the piece.

Bearing that in mind, the large narrative description contained in Cyrus's "Chart performance" section should be eliminated. I know these are common in song articles, but it adds essentially nothing to the article, being wholly redundant to the table. Take a look at discussions at WT:Record charts, and you will see that these large trajectory discussions are disparaged.

The music video description should be trimmed by about 50%.

There isn't any real need for a "live performances" section. The only notable information here is that it opened the Kid's Inaugural. There is absolutely no need to provide a detailed description of her costume during each and every performance.

Track listings for individual singles are unnecessary.

Succession tables are wholly unnecessary. See WT:Record charts#Succession boxes, are they effectively 'affiliate advertising'?. While I think the "affiliate advertising" argument is groundless, you can see how little support the succession tables have.—Kww(talk) 05:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

7 Things

Hey Liquid, do you want to help me with "7 Things" in User:Ipodnano05/Sandbox2. I think that I your help will be very important because I think this could be a Featured Article, collaborations are always better. What do you say? I found some info in here and here. I already started on searching for the background or development (whatever you want it to be) and music video conception. Please say yes ;) -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure- I've added it as a quick link on my userpage. I may not show up too often right away because I want to finish All Is Love soon, but I definitely will help. I'll start looking for info. Liqudluck✽talk 23:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

That's cool. Right now I'm working on the background and in allegations of the song being about Nick Joans. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey Liquid, please read this article. I want your opinion on whether the song was really about Nick Jonas and if the information there gives us the right to say it was about him. Also, should we consider Breakout her debut or sophomore album? Personally, I think it should be considered her debut since Meet Miley Cyrus was only attached to a soundtrack, technically being part of the soundtrack. What do you think? We should have a long discussion on her discography's talk page. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I suppose, if you very obviously said it was Jocelyn Vena's opinion, it would be alright. However, since they are both BLPs, it might be better to simply say it is about an ex-boyfriend with diabetes and let people draw their own conclusions. I'm not really sure about Breakout. Has Miley ever said anything about it? Liqudluck✽talk 05:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, that sounds like a good way to get out of stating things that might not be true. About the album, Miley and Disney have always said that it was her first non-Hannah effort and that Meet Miley is the supposed debut album. But I don't think that should be used. I mean, it's not sold by itself anywhere in the world and Hannah Montana 2 is clearly a soundtrack. I'm not sure myself - Allmusic only has Breakout in Miley's main album discography. HM2/MMC is in main albums for Hannah Montana. It is her album, but it is a soundtrack. It's not left for us to determine though, I think we should look everywhere in her discographies and what places like Billboard, RIAA or anyone else like that says. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen any articles out there that say that the song is about Nick Jonas or anything about their own opinions for the "Background" section? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Paste magazine has an awesome article linking it to 10 things I hate about you, which was exactly what I thought of when I heard the song. NY Times says specifically the song is about Nick, so I guess you can reasonably say it is about Nick straight forwardly. Slant mag hates everything, but hits on the genre a bit. Hope that helps! Liqudluck✽talk 05:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, Nick response is quoted in the Paste mag article (probably the most reliable source), and Miley responds in this Popstar article. Liqudluck✽talk 05:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Oops, never mind- you probably already knew that since it was already in the namespace article. Liqudluck✽talk 06:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm seeing and I'm still doing background. Where should we put the Nick Jonas allegations, in "Background" or "Composition" (for the lyrics component)? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 06:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) I think background, since he inspired the song. I think composition should be reserved for direct discussion of the lyrics, like the discussion of "If you text it, I'll delete it" in paste and NYT. Liqudluck✽talk 06:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol, outdent. I agree with that and I'm probably going to leave the composition section last. Can you do it, along with critical reception? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 06:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, for this, the writer has the name Pop Cultured. Do I write that on the article, "Pop Cultured of MTV"? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, you did a ton! Getting that soundtrack article passed, compiling the music vid section, you're amazingly fast! As for the MTV article, it's weird. It is possible its a stage name of sorts, but it looks more like a section of the area. I don't really know. Something like, "A Pop Cultured review from MTV states..." or "MTV's Pop Cultured review says..." would work without being specific.

Thanks, I did what you said about MTV. Also, you wouldn't happen to know when she first performed the song live? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

No clue, sorry. Liqudluck✽talk 00:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you anyways. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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The Climb

I see that you addressed Kww about the article being to long and it's not. He honestly doesn't work with FA or GA and barely keeps articles with a background and a chart. I'm not assuming bad faith, it's just what I think and have seen. It's not bloated, eliminating all of that seems like nonsense. Let's just leave it as it is. It worked for Legolas and it works for us. It's good. We're doing well. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Kww does have strong opinions about notability, and while I certainly don't agree with everything, he does keep up with policy discussion so I'm glad he responded. Both he and HJMitchell commented on the level of detail we gave to Cyrus' clothes, so we should probably cut back on that since notablity applies to the facts included as well as the topics. I do think that we're doing well in general, though =]. High five! Liqudluck✽talk 23:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree on that. It should only be used with events of extreme importance and music videos (like award shows and tours). High five returned :) -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, the soundtrack is being GA reviewed. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 18:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Since about.com came into question twice during the peer review, I'm leaving a few links here in case it comes up during FAC.

About.com, LA Times refers to one of their "experts" ;NY Times "Great Depression Navigator" in right side column- "A list of resources from around the Web about the Great Depression as selected by researchers and editors of The New York Times." ; Topic on NY Times.

7 Things 2

Hey Liquid, do you know what performance this is? I have no idea what the venue is. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

No, sorry, I wasn't able to make out a name anywhere. Liqudluck✽talk 23:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

It's O.K. Can you please try to find sources for performances on GMTV and Le Grand Journal, I had no luck. Also, great job on critical reception (I added a little more to it). I see you removed that the word hate described how angry she was and you said it was "unnecessary". Why? I thought it was pretty cool to know that she was angry and hating. I just wanted to know. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

No luck for me either. I deleted the sentence because we already say the song is called seven things I hate about you, but you're right, it is interesting and it provides more context. I'll add it back. Thank you about the CR; I still have to format the cites though :]. Liqudluck✽talk 05:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Too bad about that :( O.K. I just wanted to know. Well, the citation formatting was already on Breakout (Miley Cyrus song), Lol - try fly on the wall. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 05:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you think I should just add the lyric information to the Background section? It would make the stuff there, like the nick jonas quote, make more sense if readers knew the lyrics were about her hating him. Check out the 4 minutes FA discussion (Ctrl + F "composition")- it looks like the FA doesn't care about lyrics. Liqudluck✽talk 18:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I think you shouldn't, a lot of critics payed attention to "If you text it/I'll delete it" and the comparison to 10 Things About You do improve the quality of the song's "Composition" section. Plus in the GA for I Miss You, it was addressed that the article did not directly say anything about the lyrics in composition. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 19:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Good points. I'll add to the composition section. Question: Do you know the real source for this sentence from music video? "During the shoot, the girls "started girls that started crying on the video shoot", which Cyrus attributed to the emotions in the song.[3]" It links to this article, which isn't right. Liqudluck✽talk 20:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, is there a source for the Liana Liberato, Parker McKenna Posey, and Maiara Walsh appearances? Liqudluck✽talk 20:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, for the girls crying it aws the on air interview. I put it wrong, sorry. And for the actresses - I don't think a source is needed since they show up in the music video. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 20:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It might not come up during the GAR, but it probably will in FAC since they are living people. But I found a magazine source for Liana, and I'm sure something for the others will show up, at least for Walsh since she's a disney star too. Oh, and looks like you have good instinct on the prince charming stuff. =] Liqudluck✽talk 20:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I knew it!! :) -- We should put that before the book and we should probably add that her best friend said the song was about Nick. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 20:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I put it right after the book stuff because I didn't want to break up the "mourning" paragraph, but I think it works. I'm not sure where to add the Mandy quote, though. Will you add it? Liqudluck✽talk 20:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Done... now the only thing left are the lyrics and formatting the cite. I'm going shopping soon so. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I finished the cites and moved the article to namespace- 7 Things. I'll finish the lyrics now. Liqudluck✽talk 23:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Ashley Tisdale

Hello! I'm not sure if you remember me but you helped me with the article Ashley Tisdale a month ago. I'm here to ask you help - a certain user is removing all the information and references for Tisdale's film's gross revenue, claiming this kind of information should not be in the article. I asked him to start a discussion before removing it but he insists on removing without discussing. Since it was not raised in FAC by any of the reviewers, I think it CAN be on the article. So, could you help me with the user? He never help on the article - he only remove information and references and I'm getting tired of it. Decodet (talk) 00:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Apparently s/he hasn't reverted since your last edits, but I've put the article on watch. It looks Kikko is responsive, since s/he has responded to your edit summaries, so if the revert happens again, I'll start a talk page discussion. Liqudluck✽talk 20:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Btw, merry Christmas! Decodet (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too! Liqudluck✽talk 21:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!!!!

Happy holidays (a.k.a. merry Christmas and happy New Years!!) May this holiday season bring you joy and new experiences, best regards ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 19:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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RfA Thanks

My RFA →→→

Dear Liquidluck, here is a little note to say thank you for your kind vote on my request for adminship which failed with a final result of (40/19/12).

Thank you for your participation in my RfA which I withdrew after concerns of my knowledge of policy. Special thanks are owed to Coffee, who defended me throughout and whom I cannot thank enough for the nomination; to 2over0 for being supportive and helpful; to A Stop at Willoughby for the thorough, thoughtful and articulate support rationale; to IP69.226.103.13 for maintaining composure and for a pleasant interaction on my talk page and, last but not least, to Juliancolton who was good enough to close the RfA at my request and, frankly, because an editor whom I respect so much found the time to support me! If the need for more admins at the main page is still apparent in a few months, I may try again. Thank you all for a relatively drama-free RfA and for providing me with much material from which to learn from my mistakes. You're all welcome to drop by my talk page any time. God save the Queen Wiki! HJMitchell You rang? 18:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

See You Again

Hey Liquid! I've been gone for a couple of days since I was in Orlando, but I'm back. By the way, I've been looking all over the Internet and cannot find anything on the song's development. However she did say that she was initially not going to include the song on Meet Miley Cyrus in the second part of the interview in Wal-Mart sound check. But that's about it. Have you seen anything out there? And I know I've asked you like three times but do you think that we could start a Miley Cyrus WikiProject? But I think proposing a new one just for Miley, nothing about Hannah Montana, as the franchise could easily have it's own task force under Disney. I've been looking through proposals and it looks like more and more artists are getting WikiProjects. What do you say? You are as involved as I am. P.S. after finishing with "See You Again", what Taylor Swift article should we start with? I also looked at the articles that were recommended to you by the SuggestBot. Are you from Florida? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hope you had fun in Orlando! I haven't really been looking for info, but I'll start scouring. If you'll propose a project, I'll sign up as an interested participant, but I don't know how many other people will pitch in. If you don't mind, I want to get Chris Hemsworth expanded and nominated for DYK next (it'll take about 2-4 days) because Australia Day is coming up, but I'll return to See You Again right after. No, I'm not from Florida- I've never even been there, so I have no idea where it came up with those suggestions. I'm actually from California, the opposite end of the country, so it is even weirder. Liqudluck✽talk 18:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year!! Cool about the project and of course you can expand on that. It's your decision and I completely respect it :) Lol - your not from Florida... weird suggestions because I'm from Florida. Also can you comment here Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Breakout (Miley Cyrus song)/1. It says the article doesn't have a neutral point of view. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 01:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey do you think I should include the Crazier music video in Taylor's music video section in her discography. What does a set of acoustic version of songs from her debut count as? I put it as compilation. It is here. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oops, accidentally archived the rest of the convo, didn't I? Happy New Year's to you too! What a blunt review. It didn't look POV to me, but I might go over and copy-edit a little. I don't think Crazier counts since it was really only a movie clip. Compilation sounds good. Liqudluck✽talk 23:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The review doesn't matter since HJ offered to give a review and thanks for the help. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Another question, should I keep the hot country songs and hot country albums in the discography charting. I've been looking and Pop artists don't have pop 100 (unless it only charted there). -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I'd include it. It doesn't contribute to the Hot 100 standings, and she considers herself a country artist. Liqudluck✽talk 00:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I'll include it because of that but take out AC and Canada country (one country chart is enough + her home country is really native to that music). -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, have you seen a release date for Rhapsody Originals because I haven't. Sorry for asking so many questions. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 18:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Ask all you want! It isn't a problem. I'm beginning to wonder if Rhapsody Originals is like the AOL Sessions- not a real album/EP/compilation. But the site says it was released in 2007, which makes sense since they're all 2007 songs. I've been looking for the Change video director, but I haven't found anything- the only site I found that says anything about the video looked like it would give me a virus. Are you trying to get her discography to FL status? Liqudluck✽talk 23:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I think I will be taking it to FAL - and it is like the AOL Sessions but it was released as a digital download EP on Rhapsody. If found the release date already. The "Change" music video doesn't really matter. Ashley Tisdale discography has unknown of two videos. This one is on one. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm mostly done. I just need references for Irish and Japanese albums chart and I don't think aCharts.us is appropriate here. But I asked Legolas though I'm still waiting for a response. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Good luck with FL! According to WP:GOODCHARTS, acharts is fine for Ireland and Billboard Japan Hot 100. Liqudluck✽talk 23:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! It's hard work and you have to amek sure every single charting is correct. Yea, it is but with discographies sources have to list all the different songs that charted on that chart. I have it for the singles but could not find for the album. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey! A couple of more questions. I think that Beautiful Eyes would be considered a compilation since it has all of her videos and songs remix but "Beautiful Eyes" and "I Heart?". It currently is placed as an EP. What do you think? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Wal-Mart says it has three new tracks; I think that if it charted, it should count as an EP, but if it hasn't count it as a compilation. EPs are treated as albums on the charts, and I'm fairly certain a Taylor Swift EP would chart. Liqudluck✽talk 03:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

It did chart and I've beeen trying to figure out the order of things with it being a compilation and it's looking complicated. Plus, are the Rhapsody Originals considered to be live because the ref did say it was an exlcusive recording session - but I don't think they left it live. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Nothing... I'm going to leave it as it was before everything goes all nuts. Where does it say in the Walmart reference that it's an EP? I didn't see it and oh can have a look and give suggestions. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 03:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Wal-Mart doesn't, it just says that it includes three new tracks. So based on that, and the fact it charted, I'm guessing it is an EP- I don't know if compilations can chart. Sure, I'll take a look =] Liqudluck✽talk 04:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Compilations can chart but this is an EP because on Billboard it descrbies its charting as Beautiful Eyes (EP). -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 11:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I took a look at the discography, and it looks pretty good. I fixed some really tiny grammar errors, and left some comments on the talk page. You probably learned more about discography articles writing it than I know, so take them with a grain of salt. Liqudluck✽talk 06:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I left some comments on the talk page. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Any idea of where I could find the credits for Beautiful Eyes? It's not on Allmusic. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

talk page does not need sources; topic is relevant to her bio.

I would agree if (1) the edit was framed as a suggested improvement for the article (which is the purpose of the talk page) and (2) the edit was not potentially contentious to a living person. The spirit, if not the letter, of WP:BLP must surely apply to all wikipedia content. -- Timberframe (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the messages; I've also replied to you on the talk page of the Miley Cyrus article.

I should have explained myself better on either your or the article's talk page when I undid your edit; since I've been writing the article for The Last Song (film), I've read more about their relationship than I would like (every search for "the last song" turns up articles on them). I therefore already knew of the HQ RS sources discussing their relationship (satisfying BLP), and reasoned that the contributor was a fan who, in good faith, wanted the info to be included- Cyrus' past relationships are already there. I also felt that reverting the very first edit of a new contributor with a summary containing "frankly who cares" was a bit bitey. I decided to open a discussion on the information- but I recognize that I should have included sources myself. I've now done that, so thank you for the reminder. Liqudluck✽talk 06:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

You're right about my biting the newbie. Like you, my reaction was conditioned by my recent experience. Much of my wikitime is spent reverting deliberate vandalism and in particular WP:BLP violations, much of which occurs in articles which also attract "fanzine-style" edits (non-notable, unsourced, gossip with little, if any, long term importance to the article). Too often I forget to switch from whack-a-mole mode to patienty, nurturing, gently correcting mode, so thanks for reminding me! All the best -- Timberframe (talk) 09:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Taylor Swift discography

Hey! Can you comment on Talk:Taylor Swift discography#Issues with new version. Please comment soon. It's this whole commotion with an editor. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 21:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

When I Look at You

Hey! Liquid, I think it'd be appropriate for an article for "When I Look at You". It will be released soon and here's the single cover. It already charted in Canada and there's enough information. Do you want to make the page or will you wait for someone else to make it? I don't know myself if to do it since it's constantly going to be under the watch of IPs and inexperienced users but maybe we could stop it with hard work and a semi-protection. Also, I think it's time to discuss wether Meet Miley Cyrus is her debut album or just a soundtrack on Talk:Miley Cyrus discography and raise some other points about that and Hannah Montana discography. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 22:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The discussions are up now and please comment. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

When I Look at You was already a redirect, so I went ahead and made it a stub. It's at 1172 characters; 400 more and it can be a dyk- let's work on it. I'll comment on the discussions later, and what exactly do you mean by Beautiful Eyes personnel? Liqudluck✽talk 00:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Great, I'll totally help and by the personnel I mean the credits. Check in Hannah Montana: The Movie (soundtrack). Also, should we have the citation dates as "January 9, 2010" or "2010-01-09". I don't know. I think it should match the rest of her single pages with the first. Also, you did the title with all capitals. Was that on purpose? -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 00:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't care how the dates are formatted; the ones that are there already are cut and pasted from the Last Song article. You can change it if you'd like. It was a complete mistake putting the article at When I Look At You; I meant to put it at When I Look at You. I actually went to the latter later, and got all confused because I didn't realize I put the info at the wrong caps :P Liqudluck✽talk 20:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Lol, I added an infobox but do you want to work the article immediately. I guess I can, though taking it slowly because I can't start on Miley Cyrus discography until I disccuss my most important edits on the talk page. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 23:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I can take care of it. Don't feel forced to work on the same pages I'm doing unless you want to, and I'll try to do the same for yours =]. Liqudluck✽talk 23:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

It's O.K. I can help but not before I finish Miley and Hannah discographies. -- ipodnano05 * ^{leave@message} 20:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Last Christmas#Ashley tisdale (Alternate cover)

Dear Liquidluck, I need you to take this reference http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001202T8S/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=163856011&s=dmusic and make this as the alternate cover for the Ashley Tisdale version of "Last Christmas". Please do this. I beg of you. This is the alternate cover and Amazon.com cover of Tisdale's version of Last "Christmas". Label the this cover as the Alternate cover and Amazon cover. from Dbunkley6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbunkley6 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Assuming good faith is overall a good policy, but consider a few questions.

1. Why won't Dbunkley6 make this change himself?
2. Why is this image in the "Customer Provided" image area for an MP3? If it was a real alternate cover, wouldn't it show up as a standard image?
3. Is it possible that someone is trying to trick you into making a malicious or false edit?
4. Even if you think all the above is innocent, how could this image possible make it past WP:NFCC#8?—Kww(talk) 21:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

—Kww(talk) 21:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)