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Gothic music is up for deletion

Gothic music is up for deletion. As you are an editor of this page, your feedback is important. Thanks, Sceptre ^(Talk) 09:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Hero

On the matter of Gothic Hero I couldn't agree with you more. If you could write an essay in your userspace showing all the evidence you have of this user's sock puppetry, we could tag him as a suspected sock puppet. While writing this essay, consider the account creation date [1] and his contributions. Although I will still place the tag on his user page I urge you to write the evidence as soon as possible and keep in mind that there's always the possibility that he might not be a sock puppet. --– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 06:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Just use your userspace (ej: User:Leyasu/Evidence of Gothic Hero's Suck Puppetry) and we will link it using the sock puppet tag on his user page and talk page. --– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 09:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The sock puppet tag has been edited accordingly, now we must wait for the CheckUser request and then the sock puppet should be banned. We should still monitor Gothic Hero's contributions and try to find consensus whenever he edits articles.
PS: Try not to break the 3RR yourself any more than you already have and try using some of the advice this essay provides on reverting (not just with this user but in general).--– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 21:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu case closed

A final decision has been reached in this case and it has been closed.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 19:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The message near the top of Talk:Gothic metal - if I remember correctly, you had put it there - also needs to be updated. I don't know if you want to mention that it was the topic of an arbcom case or not. Maybe it is good to do that in case disputes arise there again, but the statement should be either updated or removed. Just letting you know. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Psst

I'm trying to build support for this nomination in iuts last few days. Please check out this page. Pass it along. Nudge nudge. -- evrik 20:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

New wiki

You've confused me - you say you are a dominatrix but also have a user box saying you are "a male in support of feminism". Doesn't that contradict? Isn't a dominatrix always female? Just curious ;)

But what I actually came here for is to invite you to join in at a new wiki I'm working on. It's about depression, and I see you also have a depression userbox on your page. The wiki is over at Wikicities, which is another project of Jimbo's (and Angela's) and I want to develop it into a resource for people with depression and a wiki community. If you are interested, the url is http://depression.wikicities.com. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 15:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sadly it doesn't answer my question. I mean, obviously there are male dominants, I knew that naturally. But I understood the –trix suffix to be specifically female - and was confused by the box that said you were male. But, no matter, it was just curiosity, and I see now that you also have a "this user is female box". I apologise if my question and invitation caused offence. Regards -- sannse (talk) 16:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, fair enough on both counts :) thanks for that, and I hope to bump into you again around here -- sannse (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I blocked you for 48 hours for massively violating your parole. Deathrocker got 24 hours for violating 3RR. Next time it will be for longer. Please obey the arbcom ruling. Violating it within a week of closure isn't the best way to show you've changed. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 19:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

deathrocker

I don't really want to get into an edit war. And I know nothing of the band Moi dix mois. So I am not sure if I can be of any help here. However, staying away from the article might be a good idea for a while... Spearhead 20:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing I can do about this either. I've read everything about the case and it seems like Sceptre and the ArbCom are handling the matter adequately. Still, if you feel that you need help in anything else, I'd be happy to help. --– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 23:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Avoid Getting In Heated Disputes

I´ve just took the time to read your user page. Although we discussed some matters in the near past (on the Metal vs Heavy Metal merging...) I´ve never really tried to know who you were, perhaps because of the way you´ve stated your opinions. I´ve enjoyed a lot reading your user page. It seems now in retrospec that you did not "talk" that way out in arrogance, but rather because of a strong, free personality. I did also laugh a lot reading the To Do entry which stands for the title of this post of mine (Avoid Getting In Heated Disputes)... It was just incredibly fun to read!!! Hope you reach your goal (I did suffer from it a litle too, just see the talk page on the article Virtuoso and List of virtuosi performers to see what I´m talking about). You´re not alone into controversies... Regards Loudenvier 20:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Unblack metal

another nonsensical page. I put this up for afd; please vote on it here

Be careful

Remember the Arbcom ruling. Does it appear that Dr is taking advantage of the enforced 1RR? Sceptre ^(Talk) 23:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Post-black metal (2nd nomination)

Your comment on the page "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Post-black metal (2nd nomination)" has poor grammar. Since your user page says you are a professional writer, I suggest you correct it. You should also correct phrases like "first originator".

A side note: I don't understand the point of BDSM. But it is probably best not to ask. Rintrah 10:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

I have Cradle of Filth page on my watchlist and I checked it this morning and there was nothing, and now I can't see that Erno thing either on my watchlist. How did this Hatchet guy done that? He also tempered with Nymphetamine please you revert his Goth metal clasification changes! (talk) Death2 12:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, forget that about Nymphetamine, that was an old edit I was looking at. Death2 12:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hatchet over the line

User:Hatchet has done too many bad deeds. You can report him at WP:AIV and explain that he has been doing stuff for months and that they should block their account. You're more known than me so you do it, I could report him too if you want, and it's not a problem for me to revert vandalism too! Here Special:Contributions/User:Hatchet you can see the list of his disruptions. Thanks! Death2 18:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Do you enjoy commanding others what to do. You could say: "Please could you report him to admin for pov...", I'll forgive you, this time Ley. See ya! Death2

I didn't wanted to attack you because of your manners it was just a sort of funny comment. And you say you won't always be here for us. You're not planning to leave, are you? The report is under way. I'm kinda lazy I just concentrate on improving articles with useful stuff and not fighting vandals! Bye! Death2 19:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean "launce spaxcecraft". And why would you invade Poland you Nazi vampire!!! (I'm just joking don't take this Nazi personal or as an insult) Death2 19:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Somehow "friendly face" and "dealt with you before" don't go hand in hand. It's like "Hey, I know you punk. I've dealt with you before. Cuff him partner!". Get the picture? But thanks anyway. And also nobody replyed anything conserning Hatchet, I've asked a couple of admins and nothing. We'll see if he'll come back. And there is no rule on WP:USER in concern of removing warnings!!! Death2 00:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes everyone makes mistakes, but I was really anoyed by that whole thing that happened and they all jumped me with warning messages. So I cooled off and got over it and wanted to move the damn warning and xx_something tells me I can't edit my own talk page. It's like an oil being poured into fire. LITERALLY! And dealt with you, I know, I was just joking, and I can't resist to comment somebody, since everyone is doing it to me! Do you have my talk page on your watchlist you camed down to smooth things really fast? Bye Death2 01:45, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration: Unblocked

I am going to file a request for arbitration against Deathrocker. I am going to unblock you six hours early, but this is not an invitation to edit-war. I shall block you if you edit any article pertaining to any style of Metal. Sceptre ^(Talk) 18:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Danteferno

I'm well aware of the arbcom ruling. Doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to him just like it doesn't mean that I shouldn't listen to you if you have valid concerns. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 03:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Deathrocker

As you are a disputant of this case, your output will be appreciated. Sceptre ^(Talk) 20:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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From Deathrocker

• nudge* Sceptre ^(Talk) 16:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

vedic metal at al.

That user seems a pretty legitimate one to me; nevertheless I strongly oppose to creation of articles for pseudo genres. Also I haven't been able to fine a notability guideline for music genres. Maybe we ought to start one.

Notable some of those are superfluous: epic metal, oriental metal, Power violence Cybergrind, goregrind, probably more...

Spearhead 20:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll start some proposals on Wikipedia talk:Notability (music) Spearhead 20:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

epic metal

is up for afd Spearhead 20:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I put some more genres up for AFD. Have a look at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_27 Spearhead 07:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

No surprises

"Stoner metal" is far from a made up genre, and when you look at the entries for the bands on the Stoner metal entry you will no doubt agree. Please don't revert additions to templates without reaching consensus, Wikipedia is not your personal blog. Thanks. Deizio 15:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

no admin

There seems to be some confusion regarding myself, but I am not an admin on WP. Spearhead 19:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

don't worry about it.... anyway I put funk metal up for AFD and groove metal for merge w/ nu metal and thrash metal Spearhead 20:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Also Pakistani black metal went recently through afd and came out merge. Any thoughts on where to move it? Spearhead 20:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

more genres for delete

I put up some more of these pesky little genre-cruft thingies for afd [2]

Children of Bodom genre

I have noticed your ignorance to the genre of Children of Bodom. Whatever you may think is the genre of the band, does not change the genre they really play. If I like to call it "super metal", it doesn't make it "super metal". I can see that your "specialities" are power, doom, gothic and symphonic metal, which means that you are not a black metal or a death metal fan.

The genre of a band is described by what kind of music they play, and not their image, interests or what their fans would like them to call it. A music genre is supposed to be describe the music from an objective side of view.

If you think you are 100% certain that Children of Bodom is a black metal band, read what black metal is and listen to some black metal bands. Personally I wouldn't even call Children of Bodom death metal, but it is not as stupid as calling them black metal. I have listened to death metal and black metal for about 5 years and I'm weekly discussing metal at a heavy metal forum called metal-archives (http://www.metal-archives.com). Genre disputes has often been discussed at the board, including Children of Bodom. I advise you to look it up and read what others than yourself think. Because Children of Bodom is not a black metal band in any way. You are 100% wrong, so stop editing the wikipedia-page and making the encyclopedia unreliable and display factual mistakes.

And for your "vandalism"-edits, I strongly advise you to read this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution

GoogleMe 14:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello My Brain

I want to thank you for inviting me to participate in the vote about genre template, for considering me as an user who's opinion is even worth to share. Because i contribute and ain't no vandal. But i think i'm gonna skip this vote (except a couple of them maybe) it's all the same to me. And you're not my brain my brain is me, i am my brain. Yea i know how much energy it spends on keeping itself in good form. See ya! Death2 08:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i forgot to say nice jobe on getting yourself blocked. It reminds me on my not-so-long-ago incident, hah! Genre for CoB... Huh! I suppose they have a bit with melodic black metal especially Something Wild. It has that dark vibe within it and hate. Google seems to be stuck within his own limitations of thought. When I first started to listen to the band i thought they were black/death metal. But i newer thought they are power metal, but back then i dind't know what is power metal. Genre classification sucks, except those global hints, but if somebody likes the band they will listen to it and called them THEM! Yes i suppose those who haven't heard them would like to get more info about the band before they listen to them but they wont know anything about the band(their music) before they hear them. And black metal tag isn't going to scare them off! Bye. Death2 09:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Brain, we just lost Cradle of Filth picture on their page what to do. User:Andy5190 who created the pic should put the appropriate copyright tag to preserve it, or somebody else but what tag to put?

Can I have my Brain back? +Johnson 06:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Metal Bands

I feel like there is little need to list 50+ bands on a genre's article. I think this should be reserved for bands that really exemplify the genre, in this case I would use Tristania as an example. Would it work for you if I create an article for Gothic Metal Bands, move that list over and then we can discuss which bands to leave on the main page? I'm heading out for the weekend, so I won't be able to do anything soon, but when I get back I would gladly do this. As for Cradle of Filth, I'm not sure where I said they were strict gothic metal, and musically they are only similar on a surface level. But it really seems as though Dani's lyrics are very gothic, especially on nymphetamine. Their lyrics haven't really been black metal since their first album, and their style has slowly moved away as well, so I'm really not sure what to do with them. marnues 18:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if the thing was voted on, then consider me against them being a useful part of the page. I hope others feel the same and realize that a large list of bands which the majority of people will not know does not help to clarify the genre. Having a small list of quintessential bands on the other hand is very useful as people who still don't get what a genre is about can go listen to them and hopefully understand. The giant list assumes that someone can listen to any of those bands and better understand the genre. Do you still disagree? marnues 17:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Venom - rv war

Hello, it seems that we are in disagreement on the Venom classification. I really do not want to start a revert war, so I have left in both genres. If you want a source for this, check Metal Archives' page for Venom (http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=128). As you can see the M-A team supports this classification. Post your comments on my talk or preferably the Venom page. Thanks for taking time to read this. Edit: Forgot to sign --Ryouga 23:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Update: I do not see why speed metal can be removed for cleanup, but not thrash. However, i have decided to leave this as it is, and keep Venom on the speed metal bands page. I hope this is not a problem as well. --Ryouga 22:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

type o negative

Hello, I divided the newly added text into subchapters but you reverted my edit (thus deleting the titles of the chapters as NPOV but the text was left in its original shape except the part about Life is Killing me which was removed). How do chapter titles violate NPOV? By the way, after the revert because of NPOV, sentence I modified because of NPOV was left in its original meaning "By striking a fine balance between the commercial and the creative, Type O Negative released arguably the greatest album of their career, “October Rust”." --Dudo2 07:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Children Of Bodom: possible cleanup?

I see that one of the goals of the wikimetal group is cleaning up subgenres, and I'm sure you've noticed 3 in Bodom's page. I just want to see your input for the following:

-remove 'melodic black metal' per cleanup

I say this since Melodic Death Metal and Power Metal are more relevant, and melodic black metal clutters up the page unnecessarily. Thanks. --Ryouga 00:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

You have been blocked

You are blocked for a period of 48 hours for breaching your revert parole on the article Children of Bodom. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 05:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Speed Metal - NPOV

I know you and maybe some others think Speed Metal is a reference to bands that fall between power/thrash metal. However, I hope you realize that this is clearly an opinion and, by implementing this and not the other view in the article, you violate NPOV. I know you are one to argue excessively without it going anywhere, so I will be as straightforward as I can. I want you to explain why Motorhead and Venom are not speed metal, or are related to thrash/power metal. I don't need a source, just a good explanation as to why YOU think this. Then, I want to know why the Speed Metal article can display your POV, rather than talk about both views of the genre/term so that it remains NPOV. Also, the COB article has melo black metal ALREADY mentioned in the genre controversy, and as per cleanup, only the MOST RELEVANT genres should stay in the genre box (power/melodeath). Tell me what makes melo black metal relative to Bodom, and how stylistically they are close enough related to let's say Old Man's Child, to include it in the immediate genres.

You probably want my explanations for my views, so I will give you what I know and what is true. Motorhead: Predates power AND thrash. Created speed metal (source? no problem. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:3srv28oc05na~T1 ). Play faster classic metal, that does not have the tempo and notes relative to power metal, or the low notes and high aggression of thrash. Venom: Raw production and harsh vocals, YES, does this make it thrash, NO! Predates both genres, and their albums are not considered thrash OTHERWISE this band would have the FIRST thrash albums, and Metallica is believed to have released the first thrash album. Early thrash metal was related to speed metal, but that means early Metallica/Anthrax/Slayer, not Venom, since their albums (as I said) are not relative to thrash metal. How so? Well, again, the sound is obviously not relative to power metal. Thrash metal? Well, for one they do not play in lower range of notes on their guitars, or give off that brooding thrash sound. It sounds just like NWOBHM played faster. This is not really up for debate since non of their albums are considered to be the first of thrash metal, as I said 5 times earlier. Children Of Bodom share no similarity to Old Man's Child, other than the following: Melody, which is already covered in Melodic Death Metal. The black metal part? Alexi's vocals are somewhere between a growl and black metal's style, but instrumentally they have high tempos like power metal, and high melodic keyboarding and notes. They also have some parts that sound heavier in the vein of melodic death metal's style, but not black metal. No rawness or dark atmosphere, nothing like that. I hope you read and consider this all, please, I beg of you, consider what I have told you and compile a thoughtful response that at least honours what I have taken time to type up. Thank you very much, and cheers! --Ryouga 01:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

In case you don't think anyone supports what I say for Speed Metal, realize that hundreds of edits before yours on that article had the SAME view. You completely edited everything and put POV all over the place. Please, consider what is believed by most others. I do not want to make any enemies...I currently have none, and I know you are only trying to make the metal articles more informative. Thanks again. --Ryouga 01:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

faith

I'm not exactly impressed with your efforts on the metal poll, reasons on the project talk page. I've been pretty accommodating so far, especially as I've known about your arbcom problems for a while and have consciously not goaded you into reverting or mentioned them to others who might take advantage. However, this is one big unilateral step too far, and my faith in your ability to work with others is really being challenged. Half the stuff you come out with is perfectly sensible and reflects a great knowledge of and love for certain areas of metal, so what's wrong with the other half?

A specific example regarding the poll, you've just opened to door to a lot of genres being kept on the template because most of the new voters dont understand why this poll is happening or what they are voting for, don't be surprised and start crying about cross-references when others try to walk through it. Then the trouble will really start when other cross-references start going on as well (something you yourself foretold on the project talk page), with the inclusion of other minor & cross genres as justification. That's going to be serious revert-bait, can you resist? I said a while back that the template either had to be stripped down (which we were heading for) or opened up to major, minor and cross referenced genres, and if this new poll takes us down the inclusive route then you're going to see everything from the HM list on the template, with no strong consensus about where the line for inclusion is. I'm on tenterhooks until April 30th. Deizio 13:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Seemingly contradicting userboxes

On your front user page, one userbox says "...is female" while another says "...is a male in support of feminism". These two boxes seem to contradict each other. Can you clarify? --69.117.7.63 19:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Testing

Um, since you're blocked I don't know which IP(s) to message for discussion, so if you get this message just tell me if it's ok if I message you here and you can respond with whichever IP(s) on my talk. If you want me to discuss things with you in another place, tell me so on my talk. BTW, you needn't refer to me as 'they', you can call me 'he.' 'They' sounds odd, if you know what I mean (sounds like more than one person). Anyway see ya 'round --Ryouga 05:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, to avoid extension on your ban, we'll wait till it's lifted before we talk since Deiz told me we can get into trouble if you continue use of an IP. Anyway, some user went through the Metallica albums and messed up the genres (progressive metal, blues rock, added 3 genres to some that only need one, etc.) so I just reverted those and etc. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend use of an IP for now other wise we'll probably get into some trouble. See ya for now. --Ryouga 20:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not vandalising anything.

Vandalism is deliberately defacing a page. If I were blanking it or something, then you could validly accuse me of vandalism. However, I'm making a change that is supported by pretty much every other user on that page. If you tell me which parts of Bodom's music contain elements of melodic black metal, then I will reconsider. 220.239.82.216 12:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Tech metal

Unsure about this one, could use a little help. Look through, and if I have anything wrong there feel free to edit it up. --Ryouga 23:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

You know what? I think you're right. Honestly, most bands listed there are given incorrect, usually band-promoting genres, like a metalcore band with 'tech progressive death/grind with jazz influences' or a death metal band with 'brutal technical jazz-influenced death/thrash/grind' as some examples. On top of that, while most of the article I verified as I could...I'll be honest. I don't know what the hell Tech Metalcore or Mathcore REALLY are, and the stuff revolving around that is what I could find out, but could be incorrect. Put it in AFD if you will, and we can just make sure that the actual genres (tech death, mathcore) have verifiably correct articles. Drop a line. --Ryouga 20:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

It already went through and passed AfD, so I have left it, but kept the 'expert tag' and will keep watch for vandalising promoters. As for Gothic Metal, I don't know too much about it since I don't listen to it, but if I can get some band names I can definitely do *some* research and start an article. I assume the bands you want done are red links on Goithic Metal pages, right? I'll get started when I can. See ya --Ryouga 01:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Metal

K, this is the first one, Aion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion_%28Band%29

If I find out any bands are generally not agreed as Goth Metal, I will remove them from the list.

If you need to contact me about any of these edits / anything, just message me. Bye. --Ryouga 01:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

So far: Verified 3 bands as "Gothic Metal," started their articles accordingly. One band I couldn't find the tag "Gothic Metal" for, so they were removed for: Non-Notability and/or Irrelevance to "Gothic Metal." If they are to be readded I said in the edit summary to provide source or something proving relevance to genre. Am I doing ok thus far? Anyway, I gotta run. Will continue later. Have a good night. --Ryouga 01:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The CheckUser / 5 blocks

It was Jayjg who did the CheckUser, not me; I don't have the rights to do it (only most ArbCom members and a few others can). So please ask him if you have any questions.

I was not trying to get you banned by doing a CheckUser; however, it is important to enforce all arbcom rulings. The evidence I saw from other users (I think Deiz was one of them) said that you were using anons to evade a block, which is an offense that can get your block extended. I assumed that the anons were impersonating you, and that they weren't really you, which was why I requested a CheckUser to see if the claims other people were making on WP:AE were correct. This is especially important because you have been blocked four times for violating your revert parole, and you'll probably be blocked again shortly once another (uninvolved) admin sees the diffs from Children of Bodom that I posted on WP:AE recently. If I hadn't done the CheckUser for you, you would have gotten your fifth block then. After five blocks (for up to a week), the next block can be for up to a year. I'm not sure how likely the other admins will be to give a one-year block next time, but this should definitely be a warning for you if you want to keep editing here.

As I told Deiz today, since we're still in a dispute at Gothic metal, I will not block you. However, I will let other admins know, with diffs, if you violate your revert parole, since arbcom rulings must be respected.

--Idont Havaname (Talk) 04:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for admitting that you violated the ruling... but no, the reverts you did were not reverts of vandalism. I asked about this at WP:RFAR a few weeks ago, and you replied in that request. Sam Korn, who is one of the arbitrators, said, "That is not clear vandalism. Clear vandalism is "I JUST HACKED UR SIGHT LOL". Maybe it was vandalism. It wasn't clear vandalism, though. If it's arguable that it's not vandalism, it isn't." [3] Most of what most Wikipedians consider vandalism is stuff that people who watch Special:Recentchanges revert within several minutes. Please read WP:-( again, particularly the section on what vandalism is not, and ask on its talk page if you think the policy isn't clear. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 05:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Enforcement of revert parole

This is a copy of my statement on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement:

Leyasu is skating on very thin ice despite having had the meaning of "simple vandalism" clearly explained to him by arbitrators quite recently [4]. I'm blocking for the current maximum of one week, and the next offence may attract a much longer block as it will be the sixth infraction and the maximum block length has gone up to one year. --Tony Sidaway 13:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

black metal sections

Do not re-add troll metal and faggoth sections to the black metal page again; this has been discussed at length on the talk page and concensus is reached that this should not be part of this page. Any re-addition is concidered an act of vandalism and will be reported as such. As I said before if you value the contents, copy them to a more appropriate place or temporarily store them on your user space. Spearhead 15:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

sections can't go through afd. And go ahead, report. Spearhead 15:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back...

Nice to see the fire still burns. You have a point about Troll metal, it was "kept" in an AfD and can't just be got rid of. I've posted on the relevant talk and Admin pages, and I'm sure we can find somewhere to put it. As a last resort I don't see why it can't be restored to its own page? But a word of advice, you've recently been advised about what does and doesn't constitute "vandalism", Spearhead and others are acting - perhaps wrongly given the AfD outcome - on consensus on a talk page, but not vandalising. "Vandalism" has a specific meaning within Wikipedia, especially to the admins who monitor the alerts board, that means you have to be careful when using it. Hopefully this can all be worked out quickly, big day tomorrow and I'm looking forward to it immensely ;) Deizio 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Children of Bodom page protection

I prefer to have an uninvolved admin protect the page, so I've filed a request for page protection for it at WP:RFPP. It should be protected sometime today, but in the meantime just leave the Children of Bodom page alone so that you won't violate 1RR. (It looks like you already may have at Black metal.) --Idont Havaname (Talk) 16:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The request for page protection was denied. So it looks like you all are on your own... just please don't change the genre of that band; use the talk page and leave the genre description to the other editors so that you won't get blocked again. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 17:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Revert parole violation

You've been back for a few hours and already you have violated your revert parole by twice restoring a removed section on the Black metal article [5] [6].

I also have a strong suspicion that during your seven day block you used non-logged-in editing to evade that block and continue edit warring (for selected samples: [7] [8] [9]).

In the circumstances, the immediate resort to edit warring alone is sufficient to demonstrate that you are not responding appropriately to your revert parole.

• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu

Under the terms of your probation, I am banning you from editing the article Black metal. This ban is to last for the duration of your probation, or until I or another administrator decides to revoke it.

Please take this ban seriously. You can be blocked from editing Wikipedia for up to one year if you do not respect it. Such a block would apply to all users, logged-in or not, performing the kind of edit warring that you have been doing, if there is a reasonable suspicion that they are your socks.

Also please take it as a warning that you will be banned from other articles if you edit war on them.

I have decided not to block you on this occasion, but if you continue to edit war I shall block. --Tony Sidaway 18:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'll choose to take your word that the other editor on Children of Bodom was not you. I'll also accept that you didn't intentionally violate your revert parole on black metal. So I'll rescind the ban on editing that article.

But I have to warn you that a revert is defined fairly liberally in this context, and does include the restoration of previously deleted material. If removed material should be restored to any article, please make the case on the talk page and try to persuade others to restore it. To be safe, this also applies to vandalism. It's okay to revert if someone edits an article to say "WIKIPEDIA SUCKS" or "OZZIE IS A PEDO" or something like that, because it's obvious vandalism, but otherwise it probably isn't a good idea to risk appearing to violate a revert parole by reverting material that may have been added or removed in good faith by an editor (even if that removal is against Wikipedia policy or consensus). . --Tony Sidaway 20:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Another Arbcom case.

I'm filing another case against Deathrocker. Care to give a statement? Will (^E_@) T 21:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've added my statement there too. Hopefully it is fair and does a good job saying what's gone on with you, Deathrocker, and Danteferno since your first case. I'm not declaring myself as a party in this one right now, though I might do that later. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 21:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Why Merge?

I've been reviewing some of your work and various things that have been done and it seems that mergers minimize information and devalue Wikipedia as a whole. I'll admit I don't know if the unblack metal article was completely lacking, but I know it's blurb on christian metal says practically nothing. Musically, unblack metal belongs with black metal, lyrically it belongs with christian metal. Why limit a persons ability to get knowledge or hide it in a place someone would never look.

Is there any reason you believe subgenres shouldn't have there own articles? I understand lines must be drawn, but when there is an expert on the topic and provides detailed dates and names of the formation and present state, why not let it run.--Daevin 08:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That's fine if there are standards on how to set up each page, but I looked through Wikipedias guidelines and I couldn't find any standards on it. I think I could turn the tech death article into b class for sure and possibly even better. If there is some list of standards, I'd love to see how the article doesn't deserve its own page.--Daevin

I would agree you try to be neutral and don't seem to cross civility as I try to do the same. Due to my career and education, I would like to see this "straw poll" you refer to or anything written that you have reffered to; I was unable to find the quote you made in the notability section or the music topic. My biggest argument with your stance is that, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't seem to follow death metal much or tech death. Anyone that really follows death metal would know the difference between all the subgenres. I feel most stronly about tech death because it does have a defined begining and a defined scene. I see the tech death scene as an extention of death metal as death metal is an extention of thrash metal. Also black metal could be argued to be a cross over of Death and thrash metal. So when does a cross over become an official genre. Tech death has a growing scene of cross over bands with industrial, black, thrash and other influences. And if you consider it death metal because it is in the title, the style (cryptopsy's brand encluded)actually is a crossover of latin jazz, death metal, power metal and Grind.--Daevin 2:07 5/1/06

Welcome back

Hey, welcome back. Try to stay out of trouble, we need you here. If you need any help conserning a problem, say so maybe I can help??? Good lock. Haha slip of a tongue. Death2 16:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking more like "Explain why do you think there category should add melodic black metal", just in a few short words because I also think that they have some influences (on first two albums), and then I can help you to express why to other users. I'm not sure if i wanna jump into a revert war now (maybe a bit later). See you, keep in touch! Death2 02:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i'm with you. melodic black metal! A bot made changes to the article as well as several hundred anons so I did the best i could. Somebody restored the pic of the band instead of the logo don't know what to do with that. Shall we try (debated)? haha. Death2 03:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, to respond, I didn't had time. I usually work on the albums (out of the heat zone) so... I don't know much about ghotic metal and was planing to finish work on some albums and then get some free time back for myself. You wanna do something but it's not wikipedia, it's not a waste of time but there are just other, better things to do. I see that you are somwhat tired of rules here, and arbcom's i suppose. Yeah but I can't complain I worked on albums and music groups around here and discovered a couple of them I never heard before and they are damn good so mission acomplished. Wikipedia is suppose to serve to us as much as others, when you cross that line, get off this damn boat and swim back home! We will talk again, after we take a brake. Stay well. Death2 04:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

For an example I was working on Tim Buckley albums, so I'm not in one area primarily, it mostly encompasses music but on many levels. But don't worry I do plenty of work on Black metal bands, especially avant-garde and also am keeping an eye on CoF and Dimmu. And their albums. And many more. Death2 05:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Please check Dimmu, somebody added all of their record companys into the infobox, is that necessary? Death2 08:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing core except Century Media, but this is not so important, I have some other stuff that I'm going through and don't know what to do with an AOL adress that is doing all this mayhem so please check all CoF albums they have been messed with, please? Death2 08:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Refering to Cradle or Dimmu, I've lost you? Dimmu has previously been signe with those labels, but no longer, only has contract with Nuclear, I'm not sure for Cradle their labels are messed up throughout the albums!!! Death2 08:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, CambridgeBayWeather take cared of Tech death metal, I was logged out. Death2 19:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker

The case will probably be accepted, so maybe there should be a temporary injunction against him if that's the case.

I don't know how you, I, or Sceptre were assuming bad faith in our statements. I was posting my statement pretty much from memory, and while it may have been over the top, we did both have diffs for backing up what we said. He definitely was, however, and he's been using that to launch personal attacks ever since he came back. In the meantime, the best thing for us to do is just to not fight him and let the arbitrators decide what to do.

We've already told the arbitrators far more than they need to know in merely deciding whether or not the case should be accepted. So now we should mainly just wait for them to accept, get the case started, and then if Deathrocker's still being difficult I'll ask Sceptre if he thinks it will be wise to have Deathrocker placed on a temporary injunction during the case.

--Idont Havaname (Talk) 21:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Closure

Done, check out the results and endorse them on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metal if you agree. Symphonic was one of the lucky 13 to make the grade, the Labour party will be contacting you about running PR campaigns for them at this rate... The template has been updated accordingly. Deizio 02:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Block

I'm going to block you for 3 days or until the Arbitration case has been opened, which ever comes first. I am sick of you two arguing on my talk page, so just wait. Will (^E_@) T 10:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Dude, why do you think that me and Deathrocker are the same guy? Were NOT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike5193 (talk • contribs)

Sorry

It's not good to hear this kind of stuff, always getting blocked for what???!!! Anyway I don't know what is your dispute with Deathrocker, I hope you'll clean that misunderstanding soon, it's contra-productive. Here is something that you may be interested: The begining of the Children of Bodom page at allmusic.com starts with The black metal outfit Children of Bodom. You can check that here. I think that classifies as a proffesional review. But for the love of all is it so hard for you to just leave it power/death and move on with it. You created a genre controversy section where it says that they draw elements from black metal. Some reader may not notice that but is it really that important. Death metal, black metal it's all the same. How somebody perceives it is what matters! Hope you'll get back soon. Death2 22:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Truce

Hi...

I'm offering a truce, as I'm sick of arguing with you on here so often, its not what I come to this site for... and it doesn't get either of us anywhere.

I know that the latest huge debate wasn't instigated by either of us (the Arb thing)...

It would be much better if we just tried to avoid each other, but when we are editing the same article, to work together in a civil manner... it seems pointless going around in circles attacking each other/butting heads.

What do you say? - Deathrocker 13:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Sirenia (band)

The gothic metal band sirenia is listed in List_of_black_metal_bands#S as Sirenia which is an animal. There is no other band Sirenia except this gothic one. Since they have no connection with black metal (I don't know, do they?) why are they in that list. I already put an expert tag but nobody cleaned that. Can you take a look when you get back? Death2 21:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Children Of Darkness

Have you seen my comment on their black metal status (from allmusic.com). I was thinking that we should first put your info on the talk page so that other users see our point than going and reverting the page hundred times per day. It's pointless, if they don't agree with you they'll just erase death/black and tell you to go fuck yourself. Deizio said that he will review the situation on that page if somebody asks him to (he is not familiar with the situation!) Death2 23:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought the warning is don't put black metal. Can you give me a link to that consensus that all tree are going into the infobox. Death2 23:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Question

Thanks for your question. Removing warnings from user talk pages is vandalism, per Wikipedia:Vandalism. Template:Wr warns against doing it, and Template:Wr2 refers to it as vandalism. (Both of those templates are in WP:WARN, which lists the standard warnings for users.) --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Marijuana Wiki

Hi there,

I see that you are a pro-Cannabis Wikipedian so I hope this will be of some interest to you.

I've started a Marijuana wiki (aka The Sticky Wiki) which I think you might be interested in. I'm hoping you can help me get started with this project. Whereas lots of articles about weed get speedy-deleted on Wikipedia, they would be totally cool over at MarijuanaWiki. But really I want the site to be more of a marijuana community than merely an encyclopedia.

To give you an example, I want to have city guides about where to score, find pot-friendly cafes, marijuana events, and what represents a good price in that city. Etc. (You can check out the featured article: "Toronto" to see what I mean). I also want to have grow diaries and marijuana blogs. All in all, basically more communal than encyclopedic.

I am in need of admins/moderators, and people experienced with MediaWiki to help build policy, categories, and templates, etc. If you'd be interested in helping me with this project, the URL is MarijuanaWiki

Thanks for your time and consideration. Hope to see you there!

-- nsandwich 23:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again!

I think I may have given you the wrong impression. I am not trying to promote any sort of "illegal community." It's not illegal to discuss pot, and my wiki intends to encourage discussion of the health and legal aspects of marijuana. It is a community site for and about marijuana. I hope to have the contributions of all points of view on that site. But if you're not interested, that's cool. Take care! :) -- nsandwich 00:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 20:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of this, could you restructure the evidence you presented, please? (So it can be read easier) Will (^E_@) T 09:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

What I mean is: shorten the summaries of his actions, and use the format

Action (3rd level header)

Brief summary

• Diffs

Do you understand now? Will (^E_@) T 13:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Avant-garde

I've added some thoughts on this Talk:Avant garde metal talk page. If you have some time please read it. I would like to hear some comments on that. This little essay has a bit of a sharp edge but don't take it personally I'm just being critical on some points. Thank you. Death2 22:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Is this vandalism?

About Wisdom89, you were correct in adding the warning back, but you should have also added warnings from WP:WARN. Those scale up, so you'd start off with Template:Wr0, then Template:Wr, then Template:Wr2. (Careful with Wr2 though - since you can't block users I'd recommend posting to WP:AN/I and explaining the situation if you're going to use it.) You can also do that for the anon(s), if they have also been removing the warnings.

It's possible that the anon doing the reverts was using a dynamic IP. Some ISPs (AOL is a common example) make it so that their members' IP addresses can't be picked up by third parties, so editors here who are AOL members may make one edit from one address, and then the next edit comes from another address, and so on. So the anon may not have seen your message. It's also quite possible that the anons reverting you could be on different ISPs or even in different countries; I went through the history of Children of Bodom and noticed some vastly different IP numbers that you were reverting. So there's probably some combination of anon users on dynamic IPs and anon users on static IPs editing the page, rather than a proper "sock farm". The Request for CheckUser that you put in last week should tell us more about it. (A request for CheckUser that involved every IP editor on that page in the last month would take a while to complete and may be denied, though.)

I also recommend that when you warn the anons, you should use the standard warnings from WP:WARN (test1, test2, test3, test4) rather than writing your own. However, the debate over the genre for Children of Bodom is a content dispute; neither you nor those who disagree with you are vandalizing the page when you change the genre.

--Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bodom

In the diff you showed me, the anon said they were not vandalizing the page; and as I've been telling you, content disputes aren't vandalism. However, I have just warned him with Template:Edit summary personal. I still don't think all of the anons that have been reverting you are the same user; all of the 220.*.*.* ones probably are, but the others are probably different. It's best for you to just bring the genre topic back up on the talk page, keeping track of who's saying what by {{unsigned|Username or IP here}}.

You did violate 1RR again with these diffs. [10] [11] I've just asked Tony Sidaway what kind of enforcement he recommends for that. I've also asked him if it is ok for me to look up the anons' IPs using a whois service so that we can figure out what countries they're coming from (that would help me determine whether or not the anons are socks). --Idont Havaname (Talk) 14:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

As set out on the admins' noticeboard, you have violated your revert parole in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu for the sixth time. I have blocked you for a month. Please cool down; I don't want to have to do this again for an even more extended period. I could have blocked you for a year, but I believe there is a chance for you to reform. Johnleemk | Talk 17:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblock Request

{{unblock|I have been wrongly accused of violating my revert parole on the [[Children of Bodom]] article. I have persistantly been in contact with the admin [[User:Idont_Havaname]] in how to deal with a string of vandalistic edits to the article. After previous violations of the parole i understand im 'skating thin ice' and have kept my compulsive behaviour in check by taking several Wikibreaks. As such i have been blamed for reverting the article under an anon when the edit was made while i was adding eveidence to the [[User:Deathrocker]] ArbCom case. As such i ask for an unblock as this is an unjustified block, and i also ask for a check user to show that this was not me}}

Wrongly accused? The AER post by Idont Havaname links to two diffs showing this account made two content reverts (there was no vandalism as far as I can ascertain, contrary to your claim) on the same article within 24 hours. You violated your revert parole under this account. Johnleemk | Talk 03:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

If i made a revert within 24 hours then it was an honest mistake, as ive been pressing not do it. I also reverted vandalism to the article, which was someone adding a name into members and then putting cocksucker after - thus i waited what i thought was a day to revert that out. If i reverted before then i apologise, but even Idont will note that the article has been vandalised enough, and if he doesnt members of WP:HMM will definatly tell you that. Ley Shade 04:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

An honest mistake you've made far too many times. Maybe a longer block will drive home the lesson deep enough in your subconscious. Johnleemk | Talk 10:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Well havent i got stuck with a complete bitch for an admin, well fuck it, if your not going to be civil neither am i. I made a mistake, so deal with it. If i was going to violate my fucking parole, id of done it in some grandeous and theatrical manner, not my cocking up and making a revert by some minute amount of time before 24 hours were up.

Also i want a link so i can actually see what im being accused of doing, as if i find out that im being blamed for using some fucking anon, i am not going to be pleased and i will do exactly what Deathrocker did, but yes, i will do it in a grandeous and theatrical manner.

Now, link please, while i find somewhere else to edit from. Ley Shade 10:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

If you actually bothered to follow the link I gave you above, you would understand why you got "stuck with a complete bitch for an admin". I don't take kindly to people who don't even bother to read the basic grounds for a block and proceed to protest it. Johnleemk | Talk 11:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I checked it and oh dear, i made a mistake and was a few hours too early. Considering i look at the date normally for edits, unless they are close together i look at time. So i assumed i was fine to make the revert, obviously i wasnt, but christ, ban me for not telling the time mr wolf. Ill remember your invicility for future reference. Ley Shade 18:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply to message you left with 81.157.83.176

Regarding your message... what does you been banned or not have to do with me editing articles?

If you look on the metal genres talkpage; I left a comment for open discussion on the changes a couple of days ago for anyone to join and work with me on... if you go check I made the point that Heavy Metal fans in the littereal sense of the term are from the 1970s and there is no evidence of them mentioning either way if they think Nu-metal is "metal or not".

However, it is common knowledge, that extreme metal fans are most often the ones who voice the claim that "nu-metal is not metal"... you can see evidence of this even on Wikipedia, if you just go to the nu-metal talk page, most of the people who claim "nu-metal is not metal".. also claim to be fans of extreme metal on their pages.

Perhaps there could be an arugment that NWOBHM fans (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc) do not consider the genre proper metal if appropriate sources are provided.

Onto Coal Chamber, I sourced the genre with an article from AOL Music [12], it clearly states "Musical Styles: Rap-Metal, Goth Metal, Heavy Metal"... theres really no reason to remove it. Thanks. - Deathrocker 19:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Bodom and Vandalism

I would appreciate it if you would stop insinuating to administrators that I hiding behind multiple anonymous IPs for the sole purpose of blanking and reverting the Children of Bodom article. I have done nothing of the sort. I have made a total of perhaps two changes to that article in the last month, before citations were provided to the genre/info box. I blanked your warning on my page because I considered it a smear. Thank you. Wisdom89 17:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Peccatum

This can be debated, but Peccatum doesn't fit the symphonic black metal description. In fact, most of the new releases aren't even metal, more of avantgarde rock. However, they are a prominent figure in the avantgarde metal scene (along with others). I agree that they make symphonic sounding melodies, and have some black metal influence, however (if i may use an analogy) it would be like calling Dying Fetus (Death/Grind/Hardcore) a grindcore band, you leave out portions of the genre. Whereas avantgarde covers the nonstandard sounds of the band. For more info, search up the band (or if you can, listen to them). You will see the clear distinction between them and the gothic/symphonic black metal bands.

See ya --Ryouga 21:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Update: To clear things up, showing Avantgarde as a true genre, here is an official link showing it and Peccatum as "real". Avantgarde metal at ABOUT.com[13]

Your block has expired

The 1-month block that Johnleemk gave you expired two days ago, so you're free to edit from this account (User:Leyasu) again. Please be very careful though, especially when reverting, since the arbitrators have proposed to put you and Deathrocker on a much stricter revert parole than the one you currently have. (See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker/Proposed decision. The proposed decisions that involve you are at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker/Proposed decision#Leyasu revert parole modified and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker/Proposed decision#Enforcement by block Leyasu.)

I also posted a message about this on the talk page of an anon that Deathrocker and I thought you were using. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Editing while blocked

I'm going to indulge you on this occasion, but if you ever edit while blocked again [14] I'll go to the Arbitration Committee and ask them to move for a General Probation--which would allow us to pass bans and make your edits deletable on sight. --Tony Sidaway 10:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for revert parole violation

You have been blocked for three months for violating your revert parole in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Leyasu. If you have any questions, post on this page. Ral315 (talk) 06:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Banned from heavy metal articles

I've reviewed your recent edits and you're still edit warring even while blocked. This cannot go on.

This is the formal block notice. Each time you edit war on a new heavy metal-related article, the article will be added to the ban list and you will be blocked. [15]

• 1604 UTC 14 June 2006 Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), for persistent edit warring, particularly while blocked [16], [17], banned Leyasu from all heavy metal-related articles including but not limited to:

  General: Speed metal, Gothic metal, Heavy Metal music, Symphonic metal, Speed metal, List of heavy metal genres, Black metal, List of black metal bands, Heavy metal fashion

  Bands: Iron Maiden, Draconian (band), Children of Bodom, The End Records artists, Venom (band)

If when you come back from your three month block you still cannot do anything useful, we may just go for a complete ban. --Tony Sidaway 15:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The great emptiness

Aw, Ley, that IS a long block isn't it? I miss our little parlour games... send me an email sometime, I'm sure you're missing the banter. Deizio talk 23:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Deathrocker

This arbitration case is closed and the decision has been published at the link above. I'm announcing this as a clerk. I took not part in the decision. --Tony Sidaway 04:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

list of heavy metal genres

Please, I'd like to know why you have done this without explaining the reason of your removal, you impolite. Maybe do you hate rapcore bands? User:Egr (former User:85.18.14.4), 16/7/2006

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Leyasu for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Idont Havaname (Talk) 18:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)