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translation

I suppose "mite" (or "mite of a child") meaning is closer to little child or baby. I think we may write "bud" or anything else. And "crumb" means a bit of something, usually bread. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryMarten (talk • contribs) 14:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you intend "crumb" is the very best variant for little one of all? see http://multitran.ru/c/m.exe?l1=1&l2=2&s=%EA%F0%EE%F8%EA%E0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryMarten (talk • contribs) 15:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

And crumb is translated as "обрывок" :) I have no objection if you change "mites" with "crumbs" again :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryMarten (talk • contribs) 16:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

If translated in Russian "The Fascist Union Crumbs" will be "Крошки Фашистского союза". And if "Союз фашистских крошек" is needed one should write "The Fascist Crumbs Union". Or "The Union of Fascist Crumbs" is correct to. 14:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)14:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)MaryMarten (talk) 14:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Naming of children's/youth groups

See my note at Talk:Union of Fascist Little Ones; it's probably better to keep any further talk over there. Hqb (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Union of Fascist Little Ones

Thank you very much for your translation there. You did exactly the right thing, translated as best you could then asked for a little help for cleanup. Exactly the right way to go about it.

I think will propose moving it to "Union of Fascist Youth", although I do appreciate that is something of a distortion, but we can do no better in English. Or perhaps "Union of Fascist Girls and Boys" (I appreciate the two organisations were technically separate but I think the consensus is that they were essentially twins?).

I know nothing about this, which on one hand gives me an independence not granted to others, but also a sheer ignorance- so, thanks very much for the article. We just do not have the diminutive at all in English and it is always tricky to know how to translate it. For example with familiar forms of Latin names, e.g. Anna Karenina, to get the implication that that is someone born of Karenin, it is so hard to express in English, without being very clumsy.

You did a great job. I will propose the move, but very much for discussion, please do not be offended. Si Trew (talk) 06:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I have copy edited Union_of_Young_Fascists_–_Vanguard_(girls) and will go do the same now for boys. Please cast your eye over it in case I have introduced mistranslations by mistake, I am only cleaning up the English here and guessing the Russian where it is unclear to me (as a native English speaker but an appalling Russian one!).

Should it be Russian or Soviet Union in some cases? As a fascist organisation and emigre organisation I can see, or assume, that it was definitely specifically Russian not USSR, do we need to make that clearer, because at least in the UK the two were treated pretty much synonymously during the Cold War, and older readers (like me, I am 37) might be unsure which is meant. Si Trew (talk) 07:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

OK have done Union of Young Fascists – Vanguard (boys). Obviously there are lots of similarities here but some terms are slightly different. You probably want to check, in both articles, I have correctly cleaned up the uniform. I think there is a technical word for "shoulder strap" I know what you mean but can't think of the word right now. I changed "pants" to "trousers" because in British English "pants" are underwear, "trousers" will be understood worldwide even if not entirely natural to e.g. US readers. (For information, though it is not present in these articles, a "jumper" in the UK means a sweater, whereas in Canada it means a long dress. Great isn't it.) Si Trew (talk) 08:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

This word "Avangardistki" I think you have to be careful with as a false friend. I would guess the most literal translation in English would be Advance guard (which redirects to Vanguard), or perhaps Front line, but Avant-garde in English (from French of course) usually applies to an artist who is considered to be making new developments. So, I am not sure the best way to translate it, or if it should be translated at all. Si Trew (talk) 08:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Copying this over as suggested above- I didn't notice it before. It would be discourteous to delete it from here, but will not be offended if it goes!