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Discord invite

Hey there. Congrats on being on the backlog drive leaderboard already. Off to a great start! If you want to hang out with other NPPs, consider joining us on the NPP Discord. Discord is live chat software that can be really fun. If not no worries. Thanks and see you around :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Novem Linguae, thank you for the message! I've actually never used Discord, but if I ever start to I'll bare this in mind. :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:01, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I second this KJ! We’d love to have you. ‡ Night Watch ω (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

overload link

i don't think the article Alex James (professor) is overload linked now as i cleaned up. though it's still an orphan page and may someone fix it later. thanks - AbuSayeed (talk) 02:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

• AbuSayeed, thank you for your message. It does less less wikilinks now, so I've removed that tag. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Kj cheetham, I didn't know that before a page should not have a lot of links. Thanks for your cooperation and letting me know the issue.- AbuSayeed (talk) 23:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

  AbuSayeed, Glad I could help! WP:OVERLINK explains in more detail if you're interested. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Kj cheetham. Thank you for creating Alexa Beiser. User:Netherzone, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for creating this article on an interesting woman scholar.

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Netherzone (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Kj cheetham. Thank you for creating Sofia Quaglioni. User:Netherzone, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for creating this article on a woman nuclear physicist - a hard field for women to break into.

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Netherzone (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Netherzone Thank you for your comments for this and Alexa Beiser! -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:12, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a pleasure to review your articles, they are always so well crafted! Netherzone (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words! After this month and the NPP backlog drive I hope to create some more articles, though now I'm autopatrolled it's a bit less work for others to review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Teresa Rojas Rabiela, external links tag.

Dear Kj cheetham, I refer to the External links tag on the Teresa Rojas Rabiela article. I have reduced the external links from 5 to 3 ¿Do you think is possible to remove the tag? If it is, please I ask you to remove it. Thanks in advance. Eduardo Ruiz Mondragón (talk) 23:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Eduardo Ruiz Mondragón, thank you for the edit, though the issue was more to do with external links in the main body of the article. But I've just removed the links to other websites, and fixed the interlanguage links, and removed the tag. Hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help Kj cheetham! Eduardo Ruiz Mondragón (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Natalie Portman

On 12 October 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Natalie Portman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Natalie Portman was a co-author on a scientific paper about frontal lobe activation? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Natalie Portman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Natalie Portman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 7,053 views (587.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of October 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

theleekycauldron, Amakuru: Thank you both for the updates. :-) -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elcho Castle

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Elcho Castle you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 21:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elcho Castle

The article Elcho Castle you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Elcho Castle for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 23:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Djmaschek, thank you, I'll look at this within the next day or two. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Kj cheetham,

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Your GA nomination of Elcho Castle

The article Elcho Castle you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Elcho Castle for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Djmaschek -- Djmaschek (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Djmaschek Thank you, that's much appreciated! -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Early end of the backlog drive

A few days ago, new page patrollers got the backlog to zero. Due to the unprecedented success of the backlog drive, it will be ending early—at the end of 24 October, or in approximately two hours.

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Disambiguation link notification for October 25

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Dr. E.P. Scarlett High School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Con Brio.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Since been removed. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

orphan article Laura Messing

Hi Kj cheetham! Many thanks for the note you shared in the page Laura Messing that I started. I appreciate you adding these details while I humbly cruise my first steps as a contributor :) I've been working in including categories, links and brushed up a few errors you pointed out. I was wondering when would it be appropriate to delete the note, do you have any suggestions/ tips for me to continue making it better? Sending good thoughts on your day! Melloncita Melloncita (talk) 11:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melloncita, thanks for your message! Categories look good, I see the article now has links to it and so I've removed the orphan tag, and I've done a couple of minor tweaks myself too. I've not proof-read it or looked at the sources, but you should be aware about the different types of sources outlined at WP:PSTS. Basically you don't want too many sources written by the subject or the institution they work for, etc. You may want to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists (or even join that project if you haven't already) for more specific help. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kj cheetham, many thanks for your reply and for kindly having checked the categories and removed the orphan tag. I will follow your lead re joining/checking Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists project, and will continue to research on different sources. Thank you once again for this! and for your recent tweaks. All my best, -Melloncita Melloncita (talk) 14:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Florence Guggenheim-Grünberg

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Florence Guggenheim-Grünberg. 2001:44C8:4748:AD87:9315:F077:1C72:C628 (talk) 08:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding {{Uncategorized}} is hardly vandalism... especially when the article doesn't have any actual categories... -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Robenson Lauvince

Just letting you know that I've unreviewed this page and moved it to draft. There's likely a UPE issue, the page was created by a sock. See this SPI for more information. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 13:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Have a question about this article Nicholas J. Ayala

Hello,

Recently I edited this article and added some references, wikilinks, and Image(with copyright permission). Suddenly, noticed that the promotional template. Which part of the article needs to improve. Since I told you I'm new to Wikipedia and still learning to improve myself.

Regards Goldabrun (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Goldabrun, thanks for your message. I've not had a proper look at Nicholas J. Ayala, so you might want to ask MrsSnoozyTurtle as it was them who put the promotional template on it. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I asked him/her. But could you please look at the article for a while. What need to be improve. Because, in future it will help me to make any article clean.🙏 Goldabrun (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

The first thing is given your comment at User_talk:MrsSnoozyTurtle#Have_a_question_about_this_article_Nicholas_J._Ayala and the image you uploaded, it seems like you know the subject? In which case this is a potential conflict of interest and so I've left a separate message about that on your talk page with some hopefully helpful links, plus a note on the talk page of the article. In any case, I've not reviewed the article carefully, but a big thing to be aware of is the difference between WP:PRIMARY sources (i.e. written by the subject or their company) and WP:SECONDARY sources (i.e. written about the subject, often independantly), as per WP:PSTS. Wikipedia articles should be mostly based on secondary sources.

As an example, the sentance "Ayala is a coach and shares his entrepreneurial experience to educate people about the importance of teamwork in an organizational structure." looks promotional to me, and looking at the source attached to it (https://www.ibtimes.com/nick-ayala-being-ideal-leader-competitive-business-world-3602155), that is a contributed source, not subject to editorial oversight, and serves to promote the subject. It doesn't seem to even mention the word "coach". It's unclear who wrote it, which makes me think it might have been commissioned by the subject. Generally when thinking about sources, it's also worth thinking what sources are WP:RELIABLE. Hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Drive Awards

		Special Edition New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		This award is given to Kj cheetham for collecting more than 200 points doing reviews and re-reviews, in the October NPP backlog reduction drive. Thank you for your contributions. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

		Planetary Gear Award
		This award is given to Kj cheetham for collecting more than 100 points per week doing reviews, in the October NPP backlog reduction drive. Thank you for your contributions Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:49, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: thank you, happy to help out! -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Maybole Castle

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Maybole Castle you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of PizzaKing13 -- PizzaKing13 (talk) 18:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Elcho Castle

On 3 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elcho Castle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Elcho Castle never saw combat, but was nearly burned down by a mob in 1773? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elcho Castle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Elcho Castle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Maile66, thank you for the update! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Liz Truss Article: merge 'Trussonomics' proposal

Hello again,

A proposal was opened on 21 Oct. at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trussonomics#Proposed_merge_with_Liz_Truss%23Economics and I was wondering if it's not time to come to a decision about it? Would you be willing to do so? Thank you, Billsmith60 (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Billsmith60, thanks for your message. I'd agree it probably is time for someone to close it ideally, as it's been over a week. However I don't tend to get involved with merge requests, and try to avoid political articles where possible, so I'm recommend finding someone else to close it. You may even want to ask at WP:RFCLOSE, though that's typically not fast. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Maybole Castle

The article Maybole Castle you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Maybole Castle for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of PizzaKing13 -- PizzaKing13 (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

PizzaKing13, thank you for this! -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:32, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Sundrum Castle

On 11 November 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sundrum Castle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the fall of Sundrum Castle was alluded to in a poem by Robert Chambers in the 19th century and was later referred to as a curse? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sundrum Castle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sundrum Castle), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth, thank you for progressing this! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Livio Castiglioni draft

Good morning! I few weeks back, you (kindly) pointed out that I would benefit from reading the definition of "Minor edit" more closely (done). You also mentioned in passing that I could bounce "any issues" off of you (hope I'm not misreading this). May I ask you to have a quick look at an article I've been working on? This is my first attempt at a ground-up contribution, so I'd really like to get it right. The draft is here:

Draft:Livio Castiglioni - Wikipedia

Apart from any general advice/guidance on the overall piece (tone, syntax, referencing, layout, etc.) you'd be willing to share, I'm wondering what the next step is— should I publish "as is", submit for review, or is there some other path one should follow? (Also, unsure how to add relevant Categories and WikiProjects while working in the Draft space.) Many thanks, ~~~~ Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 Thank you for your message, am always happy to help where I can! Just glancing at it quickly (I've not proof-read it), overall it looks good. You shouldn't have any external links in the "See also" section though as that's just for wikilinks (as per WP:SEEALSO), you need a separate "External links" section for those (see WP:ELCITE) which would come after "References" - I've fixed that for you. You don't put Categories on Draft articles as per WP:DRAFTNOCAT, though you can put extra colons on to disable them in the short-term. I've added some WikiProject tags to the talk page for you, but they wouldn't be rated until the article is published. In theory you could just move it to mainspace yourself, but I generally recommend if it's your first article it should be submitted through WP:AFC, and there's a "Submit the draft for review!" button that does that. Be aware there is a backlog at AFC, so it may take a few weeks before it's reviewed. WikiQuote is also not a reliable source, so I'd suggest replacing that reference with something better. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that helps! Thank you very much. I'll try to find some more time next few days to refine it a bit more taking your advice into consideration, and then I guess I'll just hit that "Submit" button and see what happens. Cheers, ~~~~ Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Submitted. Thanks again! Cl3phact0 (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Good luck! -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Livio Castiglioni article was accepted and published today! Thank you (once more) for your help. Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 That's great, thanks for letting me know! -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Did you know... Somewhat timidly (and with kind encouragement from Justlettersandnumbers), I submitted the article for DYK this morning. Just thought you might, ehem, like to know. Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 That's cool! Good luck with it. :) I only submitted my first ever DYK a few months ago. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! (And yes, a wee bit precocious, I am aware—hence the "Somewhat timidly..." above). Cheers Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm sure it'll be fine! -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Small request

Thanks for everything you do. Can I just ask you to not touch the assessments on any talk pages with the WP Scotland banner for a few days? I'm in the middle of reactivating my assessment bot and am using Scotland articles to tweak the weightings as most of them haven't changed for 10+ years, it just throws things a bit when pages like Talk:John Playfair change!!! Cheers FlagSteward (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

FlagSteward Thank you for your message. Not a problem. :) Good luck with your bot work! -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Help needed for this article Nicholas J. Ayala

I've already shared with you my connection with this person before. A few days ago the image and some text were removed by MrsSnoozyTurtle. But permission was already taken from Wikimedia commons for the image. Now I want to add it back. Also, I've created a request to edit, on the article talk page. But I didn't receive a response from anyone. So, how can I add the image and the references to the article. Please suggest to me🙏🙏

Regards Goldabrun (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Goldabrun. For the edit request, I suggest patience I'm afraid, as there is a significant backlog and it's all handled by volunteers. I'd recommend being more specific on your edit request exactly what you want and where references should go though, as that'll make it easier for someone to process. For the article, it looks like an admin (Kuru) removed some sources as they weren't reliable sources (as per WP:RS), before MrsSnoozyTurtle did some further editing. Regarding the image, I'm not overly familar with copyrights, but looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nickolas_J._ayala.jpg if it's still copyrighted I don't see how it's also licensed under Creative Commons. I suggest asking at WP:TEAHOUSE for someone who may be able to help you more. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much sir Goldabrun (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Template message removal request for Andres De Los Reyes article

Hello!

I wanted to ask you a quick question about the close paraphrasing tag that was placed on Andres De Los Reyes. I looked over the page this morning and I cannot find any close paraphrasing between the page and the external source listed in the tag. I went through the version history and saw that several revisions to the page had been made since the tag was placed. If you have the time, could you look over the page and assess whether the template message about close paraphrasing still applies? If the message is still relevant, please let me know what I can do to further remedy the issue.

Thank you so much for your help! Parodda (talk) 15:54, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Parodda thanks for your message. I put that tag on based on the results from https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1120562878&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsyc.umd.edu%2Ffacultyprofile%2Fde-los-reyes%2Fandres

Whilst I'd expect some phrases to be duplicated, like "Director of the Comprehensive Assessment and Intervention Program", because that's the name of something, the sentance "He uses these paradigms to test questions using experimental, controlled observation, naturalistic, and quantitative review research designs" from the article is very similar to "I leverage these paradigms to test questions using a suite of experimental, controlled observation, naturalistic, and quantitative review designs" from the webpage. That's just an example. I hope that helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia! 1Little Danny (talk) 17:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

1Little Danny, thank you for the barn star! Do let me know if there's ever anything I can do to assist. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for welcoming so many new users, I have to compete with you now to try and welcome them first :). MasterMatt12 (talk) 01:37, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

MasterMatt12 Thank you for the barn star! Plenty more new users to welcome. :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

486958 Arrokoth

Please clean up (my hack [486958 Arrokoth ()]) by moving it to [486958 Arrokoth]. That is the naming convention on WP. Thanks. — kwami (talk) 19:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Kwamikagami Done. That was originally requested at WP:RM/TR, but I have now completely undone that move and associated wikilink changes. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. There are possibly thousands of MP names that are absolutely unique, and many thousands more that are unique as WP article titles, but it would be a nightmare to try having discussions for all of them. So by default we use the full MPC names, with just a few outliers like Ceres and Pluto. That is debatable given WP naming conventions, but is a practically necessary exception to the rule, one that I think is followed by all wikipedias. — kwami (talk) 20:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense. I'll certainly bare it in mind the next time I see a similar move request. Pluto is certainly a special case! -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Merry Christmas, Kj cheetham
	Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you and yours nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 20:07, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969, thank you, that's very much appreciated! -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

	Merry Christmas, Kj cheetham
	or whatever else you may celebrate at this time of year. Thank you for all your work on Wikipedia throughout the year and may 2023 prove to be a happy and successful year for you and your family Josey Wales Parley 20:07, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Joseywales1961, thank you, that's very much appreciated! -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!

Kj cheetham,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Gricharduk (talk) 08:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Gricharduk (talk) 08:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Gricharduk, thank you, that's appreciated! Happy new year to you too! -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

NPP Award for 2022

		The New Page Reviewer's Silver Award
		For over 2,000 article reviews during 2022. Well done! Keep up the good work! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

MPGuy2824 Thank you! Happy I was able to help out! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:49, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Kj cheetham!

Happy New Year!

Kj cheetham,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Moops Thank you! All the best to you and your family! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Kj cheetham,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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Please advise

Hi, in 2021 I created an article about a scientist Wojciech Karlowski and you kindly helped me to publish it. Now, I noticed that there is a tag on the article informing about my possible connection to the subject. Unfortunately, I was not aware that this may be a problem. I'm related to the subject but the article is based on pure and well documented facts. There is no personal opinion or anything subjective in the article. Could you please advise how should I proceed now? Should I delete the article or is there any way to remove the tag? I just don't want to leave it like this. Thank you a lot and best regards. -- Msciszewianka (talk) 13:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Msciszewianka, thanks for your message. I'll take a look and get back to you in the next few days. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. -- Msciszewianka (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Msciszewianka I've had a closer look than I did previously. I've tagged the article talk page about your conflict of interest, and left some further information on your own talk page. It doesn't look overly subjective to me, so I've removed the tag you referred to, but I've added another tag as most of the references are primary. There should be more references which are secondary (i.e. not written by the subject or their institution) to back it up, especially when several of the facts don't seem to be verified and hence may need to be removed at some point. I hope this helps at least partially. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for your support. To be honest, the situation is quite difficult for me because I created this article purely as a source of information for the community. There is no conflict of interest or promotional or any other similar purpose. I will also confirm it on my talk page because I hope to contribute more to the Wikipedia in the future, of course, following the Wikipedia rules. Unfortunately, it seems there is a problem associated with this article that I didn’t know about and therefore, maybe the best way would be to just remove the article.

I'm sorry to hear it's difficult, though I can understand. Because of your relationship, it's an WP:ACTUALCOI even if not being promotion, but should also be aware that that's just a statement of fact (see WP:COINOTBIAS). You can still make some uncontraversial edits to the article (as per WP:COIADVICE and WP:COISELF). If you do want to go down the deletion route in the end, neither of us can just delete the article. Would need to open an WP:AFD discussion (which I can do for you) which lasts for 7 days before an administrator either marks it to keep or deletes it. As it's a biography of a living person, WP:BLPDELETE applies. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the missing references, as far as I understand I’m not allowed to edit this article anymore. Therefore, I would like to explain them in detail:

- 3-month internship in Cologne – there is a document confirming it, however, it is not published on the web, and for this reason it cannot be cited. Of course, I can send it to you. If this is not enough, this sentence should be removed.

I'll just delete the sentance. It needs to be verifiable by others not just me. It doesn't need to be a source that's online, but it should be published at least (e.g. in a book in a library).

- 1997-2000 Postdoctoral Fellowship at UCLA – the same as above, documents are available. However, the affiliations from the Reference #3 clearly confirm the presence at UCLA and the name of the PI. He is also mentioned as a former Postdoc at the webpage of Ann Hirsch Lab: https://sites.lifesci.ucla.edu/mcdb-hirschlab/people-2/

I'll add that as a reference too, but that isn't verified is the date range, so I've just removed that part.

- 2001-2004 Scientist in Munich – the same as above, documents are available. However, the affiliations from the References #4, 5, 6 and 7 clearly confirm the presence at MIPS and the name of the PI.

Again I'll remove the specific date range, as that's not verified.

- One of his most scientific achievements during that time – this is a statement based on scientific work published at that time – the Reference #7 was published in the most influential journal with a high impact factor (IF). This is an objective statement, not personal.

To me that just confirms it's a significant achievement, not it's "one of his most". I'll edit it slightly.

- 2004 position at AMU in Poznan - documents with dates are available. Confirmation of Associate Professor position: Reference #1 and https://recenzenci.opi.org.pl/sssr-web/site/people-details?personId=a905d27380f676fb&lang=en

Are the documents accessible? I'll remove the date in the meantime.

- 2007 3-month internship in Perpignan – the Funding Section and the affiliations in the Reference #8 confirm the presence in this lab.

Doesn't confirm it was 3 months, or the Marie Curie Host Fellowships for the Transfer of Knowledge program.

- 2009 own research group – documents with dates are available. Confirmation of own group: https://afproject.org/bioinformatyka/kontakt.php ; https://amu.edu.pl/uniwersytet/wyszukiwarka-pracownikow/osoba?id=10001630 ; http://ibmib.home.amu.edu.pl/pl/zaklad-biologii-obliczeniowej/

- 2014 Professor at AMU – documents with dates are available. Confirmation of Professor position: Reference #1 and https://recenzenci.opi.org.pl/sssr-web/site/people-details?personId=a905d27380f676fb&lang=en

Can confirm the professorship in 2014, but not the date of forming the group.

Thank you, a lot, for your help and I’m sorry about the problem I created. Best regards, -- Msciszewianka (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hope my most recent edits help. Even something like a published CV would verify the dates. However overall the article still suffers from a lack of secondary sources. They are mostly still primary. Secondary sources help to show notability, beyond what the subject writes themselves. You may also wish to get additional help at the WP:TEAHOUSE, as I've probably done all I can with regards editing it at this stage. The only other thing I can potentially do is open a deletion discussion to argue they are not sufficiently notable, which I generally try to avoid doing. The criteria by which academics are determined to be notable or not is WP:NPROF. Hopefully this doesn't overly complicate things. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Dear Kj cheetham, I would like to thank you one more time for your support and your edits. I will search for additional references to confirm the dates and for secondary sources as well. It can take a while. I hope the deletion process will not be necessary. Could you please only remove the [according to whom?] since this is not 'one of his most scientific achievements' anymore and the reference confirms that this is a scientific achievement? Thank you and all the best, -- Msciszewianka (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Dear Msciszewianka, happy to help where I can. :) There is no deadline to Wikipedia overall. I've removed the tag as requested. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Kj cheetham :) I learned a lot from you. I will do my best. -- Msciszewianka (talk) 15:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Administrator changes

• ComplexRational
• Extraordinary Writ

Stephen

• Andrew Yong
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• DESiegel
• GlassCobra
• Joe Decker
• Nancy
• Pathoschild
• StuffOfInterest
• William Pietri
• Wwwwolf
• Xdamr

Interface administrator changes

Nihiltres

CheckUser changes

Moneytrees

• Ivanvector
• SilkTork

Oversighter changes

• GeneralNotability
• Moneytrees

• Guerillero
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Guideline and policy news

• Speedy deletion criterion A5 (transwikied articles) has been repealed following an unopposed proposal.

Arbitration

• Following the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Barkeep49, CaptainEek, GeneralNotability, Guerillero, L235, Moneytrees, Primefac, SilkTork.
• The 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review has concluded with many changes to the discretionary sanctions procedure including a change of the name to "contentious topics". The changes are being implemented over the coming month.
• The arbitration case Stephen has been closed.

Miscellaneous

• Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
• Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

An interesting fact

Hi! I just thought you looked pretty cool helping everyone out with all the science and stuff! Zaxalightning2 (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Zaxalightning2 thank you for your message! Do let me know if there's ever anything I can do to help you on here. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you know that the large intestine is completely unnecessary for survival? 🤔 Zaxalightning2 (talk) 19:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I did not know that. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Userbox question

Hi Kj cheetham! I have been making some userboxes for some pretty awesome Wikipedians (you can look on my userpage for the ones I've made so far), and I was wondering what photo you want for the userbox? Thanks! MasterMatt12^{💬 ● Contributions} 23:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, here is the userbox for know with no image Template:User likes Kj cheetham MasterMatt12^{💬 ● Contributions} 23:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi MasterMatt12, thank you for your message, it's much appreciated! Maybe an image like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Plasma-lamp_2.jpg ? I'm a bit uncomfortable about the "hopes he can one day be an admin" bit though as it's feels like potential canvassing (WP:CANVASS), and I'm not sure if I even want to be an admin really either! Maybe you could change it to something about science or biographies or castles? As those are the areas I tend to look at mostly. Maybe that I would like to own a Scottish castle one day, or something like that? :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good, and I just put the one day wants to be an admin because of the userbox on your userpage. MasterMatt12^{💬 ● Contributions} 14:43, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, I'm not quite sure about the Scottish castle thing, because the message is something that other users want for you, like I put for PCN02WPS "and hopes he can win the WikiCup" so I could say "and hopes that he can own a Scottish castle", which could work, or something else if you would like. MasterMatt12^{💬 ● Contributions} 14:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

MasterMatt12, ah that makes sense. Happy to go with that. Thank you again for this. :-) -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good. MasterMatt12^{💬 ● 📝} 22:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Administrator changes

Gimmetrow

• Bjelleklang
• Bob the Wikipedian
• Leithp
• WhisperToMe
• 100 inactive admins

CheckUser changes

• BDD
• Bradv
• Donald Albury
• Maxim
• MusikAnimal

Oversighter changes

• BDD
• Bradv
• Donald Albury
• Maxim

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, the administrator policy now requires that prior written consent be gained from the Arbitration Committee to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
• Following a community discussion, consensus has been found to impose the extended-confirmed restriction over the topic areas of Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kurds and Kurdistan.

Technical news

• The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
• In December, the contentious topics procedure was adopted which replaces the former discretionary sanctions system. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial implementation period. There is a detailed summary of the changes and administrator instructions for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at their noticeboard.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
• Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Bryan Legends page

I have added the author deletion tag as i want to categorise this article for Speedy deletion and i would appreciate if you don't revert my edit. I have blanked the page in goodwill as I'm allowed to.

This page is causing more problems than its worth and it's already marked afd so I'm escalating the process. Hoping for ur cooperation! Panthermail (talk) 08:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Panthermail, that doesn't seem like goodfaith blanking to me, it seems like trying to circumvent the AfD process. It is not suitable for G7 speedy deletion because other people have already edited quite a few times. Being the author doesn't mean you own the content. Please comment on the AfD if you have a case for it to be deleted. Further blanking of content will likely only be seen as disruptive editing. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, and how?

Thanks for the move. Was there a way I could have done this myself, or do you have some extra rights that enabled this? CT55555(talk) 15:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

CT55555 Happy to help! I've got "page mover" rights which allow me to delete simple redirect pages and do pageswaps, which it looks like you don't. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

P.S. If that's something you're interested in, take a look at WP:PAGEMOVER. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've requested it. CT55555(talk) 20:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully you find it useful! -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Question about decorum

Hello Kj cheetham, I hope you are well. May I ask your advice on a matter of decorum? I recently made some fairly significant changes to a previously rejected draft article about Yinka Ilori MBE. (He was on my list of people to write about, and I'm not entirely certain how I initially stumbled across the rejected draft, though I've now figured out that piece of the puzzle.) My question is: Is it okay to edit someone else's drafts (in Draft namespace) if they have not yet been submitted? (I've found another draft of an article about someone who I had also though of writing about, but this one hasn't yet been submitted — so I didn't want to inadvertently step on anyone's toes.) Thanks for you help (once more). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cl3phact0, thanks for your message! As you hopefully know, it is policy that no one WP:OWNs an article, and as per WP:DRAFT, "anyone, including users who are not logged in, may create and edit drafts." This is part of collaborating after all. If you're doing signifcant changes to a draft another editor has recently been working on, it might be worthwhile leaving them a courtesy message on their talk page, though I'd imagine they'd quickly see your changes if they are watching the page. If it's a draft created by a newer editor, they may not appreciate any removal of what they consider to be "their" content. I've not looked at the specifics of the drafts you mentioned though. I'd be much less inclined to edit draft articles in userspace though, as opposed to draftspace. Hope that helps! -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Opinion regarding Zubeen Garg discography

Hey! I had to say something regarding both the articles list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg and Zubeen Garg discography. The discography article was created a year ago but the songs recorded article was created years back so i think that giving a notability question mark on "list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg" doesn't seem to be accurate rather it should be on the discovery article as the article is very unorganised and poorly sourced.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Discographymen (talk • contribs) 14:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Discographymen, thank you for your message! That's fair enough. I primarily tagged it the way round I did because I was assuming "Zubeen Garg discography" was a more appropriate title, though MOS:DISCOGRAPHY wasn't completely clear to me. The two articles don't cover exactly the same scope, but I still don't believe both are needed, so I'll have a think about that. I'll swap the tags in the meantime though. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! I think the article "list of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg" is necessary as it contains 1000+ songs and it would make the main article "Zubeen Garg" very large and chaotic. Also, it is sourced with more than 400 references and according to this it can be a stand alone article. Discographymen (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I definitely don't think it should be added to the main article, I just think it doesn't need both the "list of" and "discography" articles. I'll propose a merge. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Zubeen Garg

Hello admin, can you please see Zubeen Garg's page. One user continuously adding fake award nominations while National Film awards never published any official nomination list. Clearly fan made edits Rtyggu (talk) 08:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Rtyggu, I'm not an admin, just a regular volunteer. I'm not familar with what are reliable sources in this area, so I may not be able to help. I suggest raising the issue on the article's talk page though so other editors can comment. You may also wish to seek help at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Just be careful to not edit war. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:09, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks Rtyggu (talk) 09:30, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Harold Cox edit

Greetings ... you made an aedit to the article and deleted a wiki link to Spring hill cemetary. Can you tell me why the edit was necessary? Many thanks ... Risk Engineer (talk) 14:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Risk Engineer, thanks for your message. You're referring to [1], which was removing an external link (EL). As per WP:ELNO, external links like that are not permitted. To quote reference 7 in particular from that page, "Links to websites are permitted when the website has been used as a WP:Reliable source, but they should not be placed in the body of the article to direct readers to the organization's website or merely to verify that the organization exists, or that it has a website." -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ... Risk Engineer (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

For some time my HotCat has not been working. I don't see any prompts to add categories at the bottom of the page. I tried disabling and enabling it, however, it did not help. Is the tool still functional?HRShami (talk) HRShami (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi HRShami, thanks for your message, and sorry for my slow reply to your quick question! WP:HOTCAT is working fine for me, and disabling and enabling it is about the limit of my ability to trouble shoot it. Maybe ask on the HotCat talk page or WP:TEAHOUSE for help if it's still not working? -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks. I just dropped a message there.HRShami (talk)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

Administrator changes

The Wordsmith

• Fuhghettaboutit
• Spinningspark (deceased)

CheckUser changes

Callanecc

Oversighter changes

Callanecc

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, F10 (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
• Following a request for comment, the Portal CSD criteria (P1 (portal subject to CSD as an article) and P2 (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
• A request for comment is open to discuss making the closing instructions for the requested moves process a guideline.

Technical news

• The results of the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey have been posted.

Arbitration

• Remedy 11 ("Request for Comment") of the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been rescinded.
• The proposed decision for the Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case is expected 7 March 2023.
• A case related to the Holocaust in Poland is expected to be opened soon.

Miscellaneous

• The 2023 appointees for the Ombuds commission are AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, JJMC89, MdsShakil, Minorax and Renvoy as regular members and Zabe as advisory members.
• Following the 2023 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Mykola7, Superpes15, and Xaosflux.
• The Terms of Use update cycle has started, which includes a [p]roposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing. Feedback is being accepted until 24 April 2023.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Jeffrey Leiden

Hi Kj_cheetham. This is a gentle nudge to please have a look at my latest edit request at Talk:Jeffrey Leiden#MACP board membership. Thanks so much, JohnDatVertex (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation project to improve PageTriage

Hi, as an active New Page Patroller, I wanted to make sure you were aware of an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation project to improve the PageTriage extension. We recently published results of user interviews, and have some findings that we would value patrollers' opinions on. If you haven't yet, please consider adding the project page to your watchlist to stay up to date with our progress! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Samwalton9 (WMF), thanks for your message. I am aware of it and was already watching that page, but haven't had time to study it in much detail. I myself am mostly a "middle of the queue" reviewer, as I tend to pick from User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/STEM and User:SDZeroBot/NPP sorting/Culture/Biography/Women most of the time, though do try to go for the older ones on there when I remember to sort the list by Created. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Cherry Kinoshita

Can you mention which references on this page you felt were unreliable? Thanks. Windsong0425 (talk) 17:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Windsong0425, thanks for your message regarding Cherry Kinoshita. It was all Densho Encyclopedia references. Though looking at https://encyclopedia.densho.org/about/ more carefully and digging out Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_202#Densho_Encyclopedia it sounds like can get away with it, though isn't ideal. It would be better to use the references that Densho Encyclopedia refers to where possible, but I'm happy for you to remove the tag I placed if you'd like. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will remove the tag. I am doing light edits to a page that was set up some time ago by someone else. I may add references as time permits. Eleanor Windsong0425 (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Page titles

Hello Kj cheetham can you please explain your stance on refusing a move to use of plurals on page names. I am familiar with WP:Singular but there are always exceptions, and the use of plural on all the page titles (many longstanding, and of which there are many more) I gave as examples are evidence of this. For redirect purposes in many cases the use of a plural name avoids the use of an ambiguation page. --Iztwoz (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Iztwoz, thanks for your message. I'm not refusing it, I only made a comment and contested it as a technical request on procedural grounds. It was UtherSRG who contested it last time ([2]) and hence it's now a WP:PCM and so should go to a full WP:RM discussion. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Iztwoz (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Peter Kimbowa

Hi Kj cheetham. After your post at the Teahouse and my comment on the Talk Page of Peter Kimbowa I had a look at the article itself. It is in a very poor state, with multiple external links in the text, in violation of WP:ELPOINTS. Some of these could be turned into citations but most need to be removed entirely. Is this something you are motivated to do? Let me know here, where I'll be looking out for your comment. If you don't want to do the tidy-up, I'll give it a go. I'll also make sure the COI editor doesn't add anything they shouldn't. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Michael D. Turnbull, thank you for your message. I'll have a quick go today or tomorrow, then leave it to you if that's okay. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Michael D. Turnbull, I've mostly given up with it already, so over to you. I trimmed the ELs, but the vast bulk of it is unsourced and/or promo, so it probably needs cutting down a lot I suspect. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Others have removed those links and added more tags for problems with the article, so I'm going to leave it alone: I've no interest in dealing with the remaining problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

That's fair enough, thank you for your time looking at this nonetheless! -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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Page renaming

Hi Kj cheetham, per your advise, I raised the issue renaming the article List of political parties in Russia in the talk page a week ago, no objections. Could you please help me with the renaming? Rakoon (talk) 20:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Rakoon, given the lack of discussion, it's been relisted for another week. I imagine it'll get moved then if there's still no objections. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your helping User:KatoKungLee

They aren't feeling the wikilove but I am. Good job. Their work is strikingly decent. Please continue to be as kind as you can. They came to my userpage today to ask how to handle your critique (which read). I myself see no issue with your talk page contributions. Be gentle. They might learn to be an excellent wikipedian one day, like you have demonstrated of yourself recently. Thanks again and call on me if I can help. BusterD (talk) 23:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi BusterD, thank you for your message and kind words, I shall endeavour to be kind! Looks like things escalated a bit on their talk page, but things seem to be resolved now. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Contested move

A contested move on which you commented at WP:RM/TR has been transferred to Talk:Pinocchio (Soundtrack from the Netflix Film)#Requested move 27 March 2023. - Station1 (talk) 23:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Station1, thank you for letting me know. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2023).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• A community RfC is open to discuss whether reports primarily involving gender-related disputes or controversies should be referred to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

Technical news

• Some older web browsers will not be able to use JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis starting this week. This mainly affects users of Internet Explorer 11. (T178356)
• The rollback of Vector 2022 RfC has found no consensus to rollback to Vector legacy, but has found rough consensus to disable "limited width" mode by default.
• A link to the user's Special:CentralAuth page will now appear in the subtitle links shown on Special:Contributions. This was voted #17 in the Community Wishlist Survey 2023.

Arbitration

• The Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case has been closed.
• A case about World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been opened, with the first evidence phase closing 6 April 2023.

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Requested Move of Ex Falso (tag editor)

An editor has requested for Ex Falso (tag editor) to be moved to Ex Falso. Since you had some involvement with Ex Falso (tag editor), you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Aaron Liu (talk) 17:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks for the notification! -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Article: Jeremy Atherton Lin

Hello, thanks for highlighting the inappropriate use of external links in the Essays section of this article. I have now removed them. Hopefully it's now ok for the template message to be removed. Smallsafari (talk) 10:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Smallsafari, thanks for your message. There are no more external links in Jeremy Atherton Lin#Essays so I've removed that template. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Smallsafari (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive

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External Links - Robert A. Kinzie III

Hi! Thank you for letting me know about the use of external links in this article. Could you please let me know if I've revised them appropriately? If so, could you also remove the template? Thanks Kmalco13 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kmalco13, thanks for your message! There are no more external links in the main text of the article, so I've removed the template. Let me know if any issues in the future! -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2023).

Administrator changes

Spicy

• Ale jrb
• Dbachmann
• DGG (deceased)
• Jimbo Wales

CheckUser changes

Jimbo Wales

Oversighter changes

Jimbo Wales

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.

Technical news

• Progress has started on the Page Triage improvement project. This is to address the concerns raised by the community in their 2022 WMF letter that requested improvements be made to the tool.

Arbitration

• The proposed decision in the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case is expected 11 May 2023.

Miscellaneous

• The Wikimedia Foundation annual plan 2023-2024 draft is open for comment and input through May 19. The final plan will be published in July 2023.

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Minor edit help on Plateau State

Thanks for your help and contributions you make to the community with this knowledge future edits will not be like that Digitalageohio (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Digitalageohio, thank you for your message. I'm glad I could be helpful! -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Amy Heckerling article

Hello Kj--thanks so much for making this article better and cleaning up my infobox photo addition--my first time with an infobox, so I have a lot to learn. I'm writing to ask about the potential copyright issue you flagged. I'd like to help resolve that issue if I can. In fact, I'd like to make the whole piece better. I couldn't believe there wasn't even a photo of this amazing filmmaker!

One more quick question: I don't understand why there are two television sections toward the bottom of the article. One says it needs expansion, but I'm thinking the longer television section below it takes care of that. Perhaps I'm missing something?

Thanks again for caring about Heckerling! Gcampbel (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gcampbel, thanks for your message! I'm still learning and I've been editing Wikipedia for years now. :) For the copyright issue, if you look at https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Amy_Heckerling&url=https://www.idolnetworth.com/amy-heckerling-net-worth-77849 it shows which parts have seemingly been copied. I have not looked into it closely though. Some of it is just quotes, which are usually okay. Sometimes other websites copy from Wikipedia, which is a different issue.

Regarding the two Television sections, good question! I don't see why there are two... they should probably be combined into a single one, but the first one is roles as an actor, the 2nd is roles as a director/write/producer/creator, so I'm not sure how best to combine them or otherwise make it clearer. You might want to ask at WP:TEAHOUSE for assistance.

Hope this helps a bit! -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Louise Willingale

On 4 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Louise Willingale, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Louise Willingale is developing ZEUS, which is projected to be the most powerful laser in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Louise Willingale. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Louise Willingale), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Aoidh thank you for progressing this! -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Administrator changes

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• Ddstretch
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• Resolute

CheckUser changes

Courcelles

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
• As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

Technical news

• Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

Miscellaneous

• Following a community referendum, the arbitration policy has been modified to remove the ability for users to appeal remedies to Jimbo Wales.

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Assessment of Angela Merkel

Hi! I saw that you added project assessments for Angela Merkel; all of the classify the article as B-class. However, the top-level template labels it C-class as of a recent reassessment by User:Wow. Is there a particular reason for the difference between the project assessments and the general assessment? Actualcpscm (talk) 12:02, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Actualcpscm, thanks for your message! I absolutely disagree it should have been recently rated as C-class. It seems my semi-automated rating tool (WP:RATER) doesn't understand the general assessments, so only set the project ones when I classed it as B. I'll look into asking if the tool itself can be updated going forward though as I know the general ones are slowly becoming preferred than individual project ratings. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I think the brief downgrade was due to a lot of CN tags being placed in the article, but that‘s been resolved with the editor who originally reassessed it. Happy editing! Actualcpscm (talk) 09:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed someone has already asked about the newer general ratings at User_talk:Evad37/rater.js#Move_article_quality_rating_into_banner_shell, but doesn't sound promising, so might need a new tool at some point... In any case, keep up the good work! -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Landplane123

Hi Kj cheetham,

I'm reaching out to you as you recently gave me feedback on an edit that I made. I just created an article for Colin Leonard and was informed that it is being discussed for a speedy deletion. Can you check it out and let me know what I need to do on my end to keep it up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Landplane123&action=edit&section=72

Thank you so much, Landplane123 (talk) 03:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)landplane321

Landplane123, thanks for your message. I'll have a better look later, but wanted to note that's not a speedy deletion discussion, it's a regular AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colin Leonard which lasts at least 7 days typically, and others will comment as well before anything happens. Also note that pointing out that other similar articles exist often isn't a valid arguments as per WP:OTHERSTUFF. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for checking it out. I added an award as well as Colin Leonard placing #2 on Jaxsta's top 50 mastering engineers of 2022. Hopefully that will add to his notability.

Best, Landplane123 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)landplane321

I'm not familar enough with music notability guidelines to comment on the AfD really (beyond referring to WP:GNG), but adding references showing award certainly does no harm for notability. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Kj cheetham,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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"Please click on the "discuss" link to open a full WP:RM if you still want to pursue it"

Hi, thank you for your contributions. I note your of this statement over at WP:RMT. Note that if the OP has set "discuss=yes" in the proposal, it implies that he/she is in favour of taking it to RM; there's no need to seek further input before proceeding. 162 etc. (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

162 etc., thanks for your message and the clarification. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

162 etc. P.S. I'd only started doing it fairly recently after seeing someone else was, but can't remember who offhand. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

For my own reference, it was UtherSRG, for example on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&oldid=1162326521. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol needs your help!

New pages awaiting review as of June 30th, 2023.

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The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

Administrator changes

Novem Linguae

• Deckiller
• Electionworld
• MBisanz
• Penwhale
• Raul654
• Roadrunner
• Viridae
• Yannismarou

Bureaucrat changes

MBisanz

Guideline and policy news

• Contributions to the English Wikipedia are now released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of CC BY-SA 3.0. Contributions are still also released under the GFDL license.

Technical news

• Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.

Arbitration

• Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.

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Cheryl McKissack Daniel (recent AfC)

Hello Kj cheetham, thank you for following-up on the recently published Cheryl McKissack Daniel article (my first AfC review). I noticed that you moved the {{WIR-00-2023}} wrapper template into the banner shell. Can you have a glance at my note in Talk explaining why I placed it where I did, and let me know if any objection to my moving out again? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, thanks for your message. I wanted to this say is on my radar and I'll try and reply tomorrow. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks for letting me know. This is partly a question of usage of the c. 300 existing WIR wrapper templates, but the main issue surrounding this is really a proposal to merge all of these wrappers in to one. It's a bit over my head technically, however I've been drawn into the discussion (perhaps to my detriment), as I do see the merit in keeping the system largely as it is. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, firstly apologies I didn't see your comment at Talk:Cheryl_McKissack_Daniel#Post-publication before I did https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cheryl_McKissack_Daniel&diff=prev&oldid=1163533323. That was done as part of my use of a semi-automated tool, namely WP:RATER.

I don't have an hour to read all the other threads, but looks like two main issues there - including about merging the various WIR together, and whether WIR templates should be inside the banner shell. The first seems to have stemmed from Template_talk:WikiProject_banner_shell#Detecting_duplicate_banners, but the latter is what I'm concerned with here.

From my point of view, there is a problem more widely with talk page clutter (e.g. Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)/Archive_34#Thinking_about_a_radical_reduction_of_talk_page_banners), but there being more use of banner shells seem to help combat that. They used to be for articles with at least 3 or 4 projects, but are now able to use even with no projects.

Even Vital tags are now inside the banner shell: Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_layout#Vital_tags_should_be_placed_with_WikiProjects and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vital_Articles/Archive_3#TfD_follow-up:_Fate_of_the_vital_article_talk_banner.

I'd asked about WIR in the banner shell in 2021 at Template_talk:WIR#Inside_or_outside_the_banner_shell?. The tool I use for rating automatically puts many of the WIR templates into the banner shell, which I fully support. I see absolutely no reason why the WIR project warrants the banners being outside the shell. So until there is consensus, ideally beyond the WIR project, I will contine to move those banners into the shell as the Rater tool already does. It would cause me (and other who do similar) more work if anything to stop doing that as well.

I hope this makes my point of view clearer? Of course I won't be resorting to edit warring though. :) -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the links to these resources. I'm not surprised that this has been the subject of previous discussion, and am glad to now have links to find these. WP:RATER looks intriguing as well – may well be adding this one to the toolbox, so thanks for that too!

I'll try to read as much of the above as I can so as to better understand your point of view. Point taken about the amount of sunk hours in this and wouldn't dream of asking anyone to read the whole of it. I tried to briefly summarise my thinking here (second paragraph – which seems like it may pull in the other direction). I'm an aesthete and think of the wrappers as a aide-memoire flourish of sorts, but there seem to be important technical/workflow issues at stake too. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm more a scientist, so I look at things from a more technical point of view I suspect. I did wonder if a wrapper within a wrapper might be an option, but that would just hide the WIR templates further. I'm also trying to approach things from a Wikipedia-wide viewpoint, rather than just a single project (though I fully support WIR in principle). The shell banner itself is currently undergoing a lot of discussion at Template talk:WikiProject banner shell, but that's a whole other kettle of fish! -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Scientists and artists are cut from the same cloth (in my view). Both make things of enduing beauty, the enlightened creative processes by which they arrive are not dissimilar, and the best science is aesthetically stunning ;-) Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Good point. :-) -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Lancelot Ribeiro

Hello Kj cheetham, reaching out to you for discussing on the addition of Cleanup tag and Puffery tag by you. I appreciate recent re-organization of content but instead of deleting my contributions would like to understand what the problems with the information were that I added on the life of Lancelot Ribeiro. To the best of my knowledge, I am being objective in my approach on describing his life and career. Would like to discuss the ways forward to remove the above-mentioned tags and continue positive contribution to bettering the article as art lovers.

Regards, 

SDhivar SDhivar (talk) 07:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

SDhivar, thanks for your message. I previously only removed a single word, "prodigious", which is a WP:PEACOCK term. The formatting has been improved overall since I placed the cleanup tag on 28 June, so I corrected some bold in the lede, reformatting the images, and removed that template just now. I've done a bit of minor editing of the text and removed the puffery tag too. I also removed the verification tag at the top and placed one on the specific section that is unreferrenced. I hope this helps. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Keep up the good work overall! -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:07, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply and actions. I appreciate the transparency in our discussion. I have gone through the puffery help section on Wikipedia. I am starting to get a hang of it. Still, thanks for the formatting. 

Regarding the verification of the statement by The Independent, I have added the citation/reference. For the quote by Lancelot Ribeiro in the Commonwealth Institute Lecture, I tried searching for the original source but so far have been able to find the same quote in several other London Art gallery websites like Ben Uri and also the official website of Lancelot Ribeiro. Let me know if you are able to find the source. Regarding the section name 'Career' after the 'Influence and Critical Reception' what should it be renamed as?

Thanks once again.

Regards, 

SDhivar SDhivar (talk) 04:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

SDhivar Sorry for my slow reply, I forgot to reply to this! Thanks for adding a source. For the quote reference, I think the official website is sufficient for a quote, so I've added that, and removed the "no refs" tag from that section. I hadn't noticed there are two 'Career' sections! Maybe you could combine then and move 'Influence and critical reception' further down? Or re-arrange things a bit into "Early career" (for 1960s/70s) and "Later career" (1980s onwards), or something like that. I'm not sure what's best. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Big Bridge Builder

	Big Bridge Builder
	Thank you! You're out there, building with others, to create something lasting and useful. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie, thank you so much! -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page about "fashion" and bigotry in science

I am Eva Redei, MS, PhD, Professor Emerita from Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine. I do not want to waste your time (nor mine), but you seem to be a person who is seriously interested in science. If this topic interests you please get back to me. 108.160.195.235 (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. I am interested in science, but I am not interested in collaborating and I don't take requests for new articles. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Sukhminderpal singh Grewal

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User talk:Sukhminderpal singh Grewal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥^{(ContainThisEmber?)} 11:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

YesI'mOnFire, I assume posting this here was just an error? -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I believed it is an error, probably because you are the person who created the page, that is why it notified you. Honestly, looking at the revision history, I'm still quite confused. 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥^{(ContainThisEmber?)} 01:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

YesI'mOnFire, thanks for your reply. It going to me as I created the page makes sense. However the revision history for that page is relatively straightforward:

• It was a regular talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sukhminderpal_singh_Grewal&oldid=1165349749
• It was erronously used to draft a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sukhminderpal_singh_Grewal&oldid=1166256963
• You inappropriately marked it for CSD U5: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sukhminderpal_singh_Grewal&oldid=1166257047
• An admin restored it to the last "good" state: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sukhminderpal_singh_Grewal&oldid=1166265643

Looking at your own talk page, I seriously suggest you become more familar with requirements for CSD before tagging further pages, or you may risk your activities being seen as disruptive. In this particular case, it was absolutely not appropriate for it to be tagged with WP:U5, especially given the history of the page. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

The point is I didn't read the revision history beforehand so I didn't know that the user completely replaced all of the previous version with the draft.

If he had added his draft amongst other comments, I would normally just delete the draft. 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥^{(ContainThisEmber?)} 10:10, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

YesI'mOnFire Then slow down and do a proper check before tagging articles. In any case, U5 is not appropriate for such a draft. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)