King Of Babylonia

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April 2010

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. DanielRigal (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, I am a little concerned at how much you are removing from Tel Keppe. Poorly cited material is better off marked with tags such as {{fact}}, {{disputed-inline}}, {{calrifyme}} etc. If there is hope that it can be proved or improved then give them a chance to sort the problem out. Only remove material that you are sure is entirely untrue. --DanielRigal (talk) 10:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

I'm sorry that I undid your edit because first a consensus needs to be established, but let me assure you that User:Taivo is a fair editor, and I myself agree with you. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you both mean by "consensus"? Since when do we have to prove we are not what we are? We simply say we are Chaldeans, why all the sudden we need to prove we are not Assyrians? what kind of nonsense is that?--King Of Babylonia (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not run on personal statement or experience but on reliable sources that are verifiable. When there is a dispute about content, then Wikipedia's editors must discuss the issue using these sources and come to a consensus--an agreement that all can work under. Wikipedia editors include both Assyrians and Chaldeans, so we have discussed and worked out a way that all can agree to work under. While it may not be your favored position, it is an acceptable and verifiable working position. Otherwise, controversial articles would be endlessly subject to changes based on which editor got to the article last. Edit warring is strongly discouraged and your editing privileges can be blocked or you can be banned from Wikipedia if you engage in disruptive editing. (Taivo (talk) 20:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

OK, I understand. So, would you please show me what reliable sources do you have that name Chaldeans as Assyrians.--King Of Babylonia (talk) 21:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I am a neutral referee in this. The discussion is at Talk:Assyrian people if you want to participate there. I am here to try to maintain civility and a strictly neutral point of view. (Taivo (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

Before you continue further, I strongly suggest that you read the discussions at Talk:Assyrian people, Talk:Chaldean Christians, Talk:Tel Isqof. You shouldn't cross a street until you've looked first to examine the traffic. (Taivo (talk) 23:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

My fellow Chaldean. Please understand that your attitude will not solve the problem. I feel you, but I want you to take ten steps back from your computer and take a deep breath. You can't undo the fallacies Assyrians have been injecting into Wikipedia for the last few years in just one day. This is not Iraq. You can't just get your AK-47 and chase Assyrians to the mountains :) Taivo has been the only one willing to solve our disputes. Antagonizing him will not help our cause. Perhaps you could instead find something that we both, Assyrians and Chaldeans, would agree on. I know that this is hard to take, but as I said, your AK will not work here :) ...... Use your brains instead. The last thing you wanna have is to be blocked.
P.S. We kind of agree on the use of Chaldean Christians to describe Chaldeans, So don't feel bad about it in the article of Tel Keppe. It took me almost a month to add it to the article of Tel Isqof, so you should be happy to have it in just one day --Tisqupnaia2010 (talk) 00:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. and I have to thank Taivo for his patience throughout, we are very fortunate to have his help. Tisqupnaia is right. Let's work together constructively and try to avoid short term edit-wars like these. As time allows I am going to index a list of issues that need addressing on my user page, and input from others is welcomed. ܥܝܪܐܩ (talk) 07:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Tel Keppe

Until you and Shmayo work out a consensus on wording, I'm going to revert Tel Keppe to my last version. Work it out. (Taivo (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

Canvassing

This edit implies that you will be summoning other Chaldeans to push your point of view. Read WP:MEAT before you do that because the punishment for soliciting meat puppets is often a permanent ban from Wikipedia and long blocks of your editing privileges at the minimum. (Taivo (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC))

That's only if I push them. But believe me, I won't need to do so. No Chaldean will see what's happening in Wikipedia and just ignore it. My views and that of the other 2 Chaldeans around are the same views of every single Chaldean.--King Of Babylonia (talk) 23:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Once again, it doesn't matter how many Chaldeans show up, consensus needs to be built and built civilly and within the bounds of reliable sources. Personal experience or desire has nothing whatsoever to do with building a Wikipedia consensus. This isn't mob rule here. (Taivo (talk) 00:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC))

Civility on Wikipedia

If you are going to be a productive editor on Wikipedia, King of Babylonia, then you need to get control of your passions and stop your nationalistic harangues. If you can't work productively and civilly with Shmayo and other Assyrian editors, then you need to find something else to do in your spare time besides spouting drivel on Wikipedia. If your efforts on Wikipedia don't become civil and productive, then I'll make sure that you are gone. (Taivo (talk) 03:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC))

Let's be frank here for a second. Your threats are not appreciated. Neither you nor anyone else can tell me what to do in my spare time. I don't think at any point I was uncivil to anyone. It is uncivil on your part to attack me in such a way. It is also uncivil on your part to jump into a civil chatting between me and Shmayo on his page. I don't think he needs a "mama" to take care of him, he has fingers to type. You don't need to throw your threats under any comment I make. It would be "civil" to just post them on my talk page once, as you did 2 minutes before you posted them all over Wikipedia!!!--King Of Babylonia (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)