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So a while ago, I thought to myself, "You know what would be a nice thing? A 'you're welcome' option when someone thanks you for an edit." Then I immediately realized it would actually be a terrible idea since people would probably get offended if they thanked someone and didn't get the "you're welcome" message back, or didn't get it back fast enough, or whatever.

That said, regarding this edit, you're welcome! Thank you for noticing! I was annoyed at that user's edits to 498a but when I noticed they'd just transcribed then at legal terrorism, I was sincerely upset. I'm still refreshing their contributions page every few minutes. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 20:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Bot

Hello Kaldari

the bot subscription on Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Loves Women/Hot articles is still not working. Anything specific I need to do ? Thanks Anthere (talk)

Wikipedia:Edit filter access enabled

Hello Kaldari, following your request on the Edit filter noticeboard and a community comment period, access to the enwiki edit filters has been enabled for your account. Please be sure to review all of Wikipedia:Edit filter before making any live changes, especially the requirements for posting certain changes to the noticeboard. You may want to subscribe to the mailing list as well. Happy edit filter editing, — xaosflux ^Talk 21:50, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

NPP reforms

Hi Ryan. You said last week that you would be meeting with Katherine and that Page Curation is 'ostensibly' owned by Community Tech or the Collaboration Team. We do realise of course that the Foundation will, as you also stated, need to set aside significant time to plan and execute this as a real development project. Has there been any outcome from your meeting? I feel that the best way to make progress in this serious issue is for Katherine to meet with a spokesperson or a deegation from the communty as we did with Erik, Brandon, and Howie back in 2011.. Not only would this impress upon the urgency, but it would help break down the still strongly prevailing Us vs Them syndrome between the community and the WMF, and it would actually strengthen ties and lend some credence to the ambitious annual plans that the Foundation goes to some length to publish. It is important to help the top deciders understand how the Wikipedia encyclopedias work, and that the community is seriously on the verge of a mutiny (there's more goes on at Wikimania than people realise). This would be the very last thing I would want but I would not be able to contain it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:41, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey Kudpung, I actually met with Katherine and the Collaboration Team (separately), and I'll have an update for you tomorrow. (It's 1:30am here, so I'm heading to bed.) Kaldari (talk) 08:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung: My meeting with Katherine went well. I explained the entire history of NPP and ACTRIAL as well as the current situation. Her thoughts on it can basically be summed up with the following two points:

• The WMF should do a better job thinking about the entire workflow and life cycle of contributions, rather than just reading and editing. (I agreed and suggested this might be a good thing to add to the next annual plan.)
• Reinstituting ACTRIAL sounds like a bad idea as it will negatively affect things like edit-a-thons and bringing in new editors. She would definitely prefer that we keep the page patrolling ecosystem healthy rather than shutting off the flow of new articles.

She was happy that Community Tech was trying to fix some of the existing issues, but I explained that we did not have the bandwidth to address NPP issues systematically (especially since we're gearing up for a new Community Wishlist Survey). We discussed the possibility of getting the Collaboration team to work on this, and she encouraged me to discuss it with them. I then had a meeting with the Product Manager and Lead Engineer for Collaboration. I explained the history and the current situation and showed them the list of requests. They agreed to discuss the matter further and see if it would be possible to incorporate work on NPP within their Edit Review Improvements project. While they did not make any firm commitments, they said they would also try to address some of the outstanding bugs in PageTriage in the short-term. Kaldari (talk) 23:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

I know you're doing your best Kaldari, and I assure you that we are extremely grateful for all your efforts, but don't you agree that what you have reported above is not particularly encouraging and will look to any other reader as a rather vague set of political promises from your leader? Katherine regretfully does not appear to fully understand the organic needs of Wikipedia's management systems and the lack of features and personnel to carry them out effectively - shutting off the flow of new articles is the last thing we ever had in mind, what ACTRIAL was about was stemming the tide of junk and spam and providing greater pro-active hel (the full compass of ACTRIAL needs to be read properly and fully understood.p to genuine new users.. Like I said, it will take a face-to-facr meeting with her and the volunteers to get any real progress. In the meantime, the community will probably do one of two things (or in the worst case scenario, both): enact ACTRIAL locally using scripts that don't need access to MediaWiki extension, or simply go on strike and refuse to do any maintenance tasks. I think it might be a good idea if you could draw Katherine's attention to this discussion - she doesn't even have an en.Wiki user account so I'd be very surprised if she is really aware of what you are trying to impress upon her. I regret now not talking to her when I had the chance in Esino. I'm worried that there is going to be a lot of scary press about all this, and it won't help the reputation of Wikipedia. I have dedicated thousands of hours and dollars to Wikipedia and I and most other volunteers don't want to see our unpaid efforts to create and maintain its content go to waste. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I would just like to thank you very much for your article in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2016-10-14/Technology report. It does of course represent significant progress for just the last 15 days. There are still some important tweaks to be made before we go live with the new user group and we're waiting for the Work Group's priority list of 6. We do hope then that formal work will continue on Brandon's intended Landing Page, which might help to stave off any local anarchy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

NO INDEX

The NOINDEX that was rolled out on Thursday is not working. Could someone please address this. Thanks.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	The new copyvio tool is amazing. Much faster to do follow up. Many thanks to you and your team :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi folks,

Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:

• Open mic for anybody who attended WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego last week and wants to share their takeaway
• Question & answer
• Open mic for announcements
• Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?

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User:InternetArchiveBot

This bot marks Hadawi-references as dead links, but they are not. Take a look at e.g. Ayn Ghazal, Arab al-Shamalina, Arab al-Fuqara, Ammuqa etc, etc. Huldra (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: ^. How long is IABot caching link status for? It probably shouldn't cache it for longer than a couple weeks. Otherwise, it's going to mark more and more false positives. Kaldari (talk) 23:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

The link status is a numerical value associated with the URL in the DB. It starts with 3, meaning alive, and every check it does, each check being spaced at least 3 days, where the check fails results in the value getting decreased by 1. If it hits 0 it stops checking considering the link permanently dead.—^cyberpower_{Trick or Treat:Offline} 00:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: Can one of you just please stop the damn thing! It has just marked Az-Zeeb as dead-linked too. Btw, I have never encountered that Hadawi -referance as down in more than 10 years! So I simply do not get it that it has found the same Hadawi-ref. dead 3 times. Huldra (talk) 00:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

There's no need. I've reset the entire domain. I should point out that IABot learns about URL live states based on what users do to existing URLs. If someone ends up tagging a URL as dead, despite being alive, and given it's currently approved settings, IABot will mark it as dead everywhere else.—^cyberpower_{Trick or Treat:Offline} 03:15, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: sorry, but that sounds absolutely crazy. I edit Palestinian history, it was has been a well tried tactics of some pro-Israeli editors to add {dead link} to perfectly working links, and then come back in a week or two and remove the whole "offending" paragraph. (This was a tactics more used a few years ago, actually, with present policies of WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 things have improved). It sounds to me that your bot actually "rewarded" such behaviour?? Anyway, I have now spent some time cleaning up, and I repeat: I have never seen those Hadawi-links dead in all years I have used them... Huldra (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

There's nothing crazy about it. The bot comes with the configuration option, which can be changed on wiki, to either blindly trust the dead link tag, or defer to it's own judgement when assessing dead link tags. There are pros and cons to both. If you want this changed, I would suggest seeking consensus. It's merely a flip of the switch to change this. This bot has been designed to allow for the accommodation of changing consensus.—^cyberpower_{Trick or Treat:Offline} 02:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

The URL is somehow getting transformed during the check resulting in a 404 response. I can confirm it's a simple transformation issue. I'm investigating further.

The algorithm changes http://www.palestineremembered.com/download/VillageStatistics/Table%20I/Haifa/Page-047.jpg to http://www.palestineremembered.com/download/VillageStatistics/Table+I/Haifa/Page-047.jpg. It seems like an encoding issue.—^cyberpower_{Trick or Treat:Online} 13:50, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: I checked the URL against DeadlinkChecker and it seems to work OK, so it looks like the issue is on the IABot side. This would be a good URL to add to the test cases. Kaldari (talk) 17:26, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

That's because I made a commit to the repo to fix the problem. I fixed it by replacing the urlencode function with the rawurlencode function in the URL sanitizer.—^cyberpower_{Trick or Treat:Limited Access} 21:40, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

OK, the bot has not marked the Hadawi-refs dead in any of its latest edits (Baqa ash-Sharqiyya, Baqa al-Gharbiyye, Bani Zeid, Bani Na'im) ...so I assume it is fixed... thanks! Huldra (talk) 23:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Cool, good work with the quick fix C678! Kaldari (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: At Biddu, Jerusalem it just marked "Hadawi, 1970, p. 56" as dead (it is not)......what is wrong? Huldra (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The algorithm isn't detecting the page as dead. I should note that IABot has seen that specific URL on 18 articles. One of them may have been tagged as dead. With tag_override enabled in the configuration, all tagged URLs override the bot's judgement, so it's getting set back to dead. Give me a sec to compile the articles.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 23:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Bethlehem
• Beit Sahour
• Battir
• Abu Dis
• Bayt Naqquba
• Bayt 'Itab
• Beit Hanina
• Beit Safafa
• Artas, Bethlehem
• Beit Fajjar
• Beit Iksa
• 'Anata
• Biddu, Jerusalem
• Beit Surik
• Beit 'Anan
• Artuf
• Allar, Jerusalem
• Beit Jimal

These are the articles containing that link.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 23:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Seeing this, it's obvious this mechanic needs to be changed a bit. It should probably only override judgement if the tag is there, but maintain judgement in the DB.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 23:47, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The Estrogen Shortage

Hi Kaldari,

Can you cite your source that Delestrogen has been approved by the FDA or if the shortage is still ongoing? (This is referring to the edit you made on LGBT Rights in the US.)

Thanks! -TenorTwelve TenorTwelve (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC) TenorTwelve (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

@TenorTwelve: Actually it looks like I was wrong about the new version of Delestrogen being approved. The actual change that happened is that the generic version is no longer on backorder.[1] Delestrogen (which is a commercial brand of estradiol valerate) was actually approved by the FDA in 1954. Recently one of the manufacturers of one of the ingredients used in Delestrogen stopped making it, so the makers of Delestrogen had to switch the source for the ingredient, which means that the FDA has to re-test it and re-approve the new version. At the same time the makers of the generic version (estradiol valerate) had a shortage of another ingredient and weren't able to keep up with increased demand. In October the FDA announced that they were testing the new version of Delestrogen as fast as they could and hoped to have it approved in November.[2] The manufacturer also announced that they were working diligently "to gain formal approval ASAP."[3] The idea that transwomen have a "right" to untested drugs is a bit strange, IMO. Regardless, the generic version is now available in all doses, so the issue is largely moot. Kaldari (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Your feedback requested re major changes to Cannabis in the United States

Please see: Talk:Cannabis_in_the_United_States#Proposing_bold_changes_at_Cannabis_in_the_United_States

Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 21:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Page Curation & Landing Page

As suggested, now that the Community Wishlist Survey is open I have asked for development on the Landing Page to be restarted, and I have asked for some of the tweaks that are still needed for page Curation.

However, I would just like to point out once more that these are not requests for ‘comfort’ editing aids, but that they are core critical issues. Page Curation / New Pages Feed need urgent upgrading and extending, the details of which are too complicated to even mention in a simple gadget wish list, for one thing, most of the template messages and functions are already waiting in the wings just for deployment by the devs who have access to the software extension code. More precise information is also required to be displayed on the New Pages Feed entries, especially where we now have a double fail safe but with only 90 days to get each new page reviewed. If this extension were as accessible as, for example, Twinkle, they would have been done with minimum fuss long ago. There is also the question of embedding the functions of the AfC Helper Scripts into the Page Curation Tool.

Page Curation should now be the standard for new page patroling as it offers not only more features for the reviewers than Twinkle, but will provide better feedback to new article creators. It also maintains a curation log for each patroller which Twinkle is technically unable to do.

I would be happy to have direct talks with you or the devs on Skype as I was with Brandon and the rest of the team for the development of Page Curation. One of our main concerns at the moment now is also that the new user right has been rolled out, is that while we have a log for controlling the work of the Curation users we still have nothing for those users who refuse to migrate from Twinkle, and that’s why we must make an effort get Page Curation up to date and all patrolers using it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

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Reconciling Legality of cannabis by country and Legal and medical status of cannabis?

Your feedback invited: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cannabis#Reconciling_Legality_of_cannabis_by_country_and_Legal_and_medical_status_of_cannabis.3F

Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 02:52, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

Hello, Kaldari. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. Mdann52 (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

Hello, Kaldari. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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New Page Review - newsletter

Hello Kaldari,

Breaking the back of the backlog

We now have 808 New Page Reviewers! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog. Now it's time for action.

Mid July to 01 Oct 2016

If each reviewer does only 10 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
Let's get that over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.

Second set of eyes

Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work. Read about it at the new Monitoring the system section in the tutorial.

Getting the tools we need - 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey: Please vote

With some tweaks to their look, and some additional features, Page Curation and New Pages Feed could easily be the best tools for patrollers and reviewers. We've listed most of what what we need at the 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey. Voting starts on 28 November - please turn out to make our bid the Foundation's top priority. Please help also by improving or commenting on our Wishlist entry at the Community Wishlist Survey. Many other important user suggestions are listed at at Page Curation.

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RfC: Userspace protection

Hey Kaldari. I'm contacting you to follow-up on the RfC on userspace protection that you participated in. After a discussion at T149445, it looks like a filter is a better approach to implementing these changes. We're developing some language for a message that editors will see when the filter is triggered. Comments and suggestions on this message are welcome at the talk page. Take care, I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 16:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

NoIndex

I thought this was now resolved but if I understand correctly, ‎Opabinia regalis claims that the articles of WP:autopatrolled users may still be no-indexed. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Articles created by autopatrolled users are automatically patrolled, thus they do not get the noindex tag. Kaldari (talk) 19:27, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't think I claimed that at all, unless I made a typo or left out a "not" or something. I did update some pertinent pages (though I seem to have been wrong on the actual implementation - thanks Kaldari!). Kudpung, it would be great if your work group would also update the relevant documentation on its "achievements", and maybe post an announcement, so changes like this that aren't noticeable to established editors don't slip by :) Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Opabinia regalis, I'll reply to this on your tp. Kaldari does not need to be further involved. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Everybody is invited to the November 30 Bay Area WikiSalon

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Dispute Notification

I have filed a dispute on the article of Fidel Castro. I do this because it is recommended "If you begin a discussion of another user on a common notice board, it is expected that you will notify the subject user by posting a message on their talk page". Do not report me as vandal. This is the only instance in which I will write something here. If this is not the way to do it, let me know how it is done. Jhaydn2016 (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Hiya!

I apologize for mentioning your name here. Please please please (try to) help them. Your feedback can be really valuable to them. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected

New Page Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (user:Kudpung for NPR. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC))

New Page Review - newsletter #2

Hello Kaldari,

Please help reduce the New Page backlog

This is our second request. The backlog is still growing. Your help is needed now - just a few minutes each day.

Getting the tools we need

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Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.

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In addition, this month we will have:

• a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
• spontaneous lightning talks from the floor
• community announcements from the floor

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Great idea

Great idea with the creation of Wikipedia:Zimdars' fake news list.

Definitely useful, thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 00:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Hi, everybody.

We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.

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What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey, thanks!

Kaldari, Just checked InternetArchiveBot's work, for the first time, and was muchly appreciative! Anasuyas (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Archived link for December Bay Area WikiSalon

Hi, y'all. In case you missed it and want to watch the archive reel; the topic was The Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter was well respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]

• Archive link (also includes intro, announcements, and a lightning talk)

• Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December here

The full title of Jim's presentation was: Welcoming and Helping New Editors: A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016

Jim gave a longer version of this presentation in October at WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego, California.

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On the recent edit of InternetArchiveBot on the Emanuele Foà entry

Hi Kaldari. I am not sure on who operated it, but I think that edit done by InternetArchiveBot is not correct: I tried and I found out that presently the content (or better its first page) can be accessed both by the link tagged as dead and by its digital object identifier. Could you verify? Best, Daniele.tampieri (talk) 11:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Best Wishes

Dream Garden by Maxfield Parrish & Louis Comfort Tiffany

Kaldari,

I wish you the best this holiday season.

May the new year bring you nearer to your dreams.

BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm about to retire from editing. I just wanted to thank you for the nice work you've done with tools. -- James26 (talk) 06:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Request for Comments on use of certain files not copyrighted in the US

Hello,

There is an ongoing discussion about the use of files on Wikipedia that are not protected by copyright in the US because there is no copyright relations between the US and the country of publication. You commented in a 2012 discussion on the same topic that resulted in no consensus. You are invited to share your views in the ongoing discussion. AHeneen (talk) 21:30, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

You are invited to a birthday bash to Celebrate Wikipedia's 16th Birthday!

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district.

For details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia Day 2017

The San Francisco gathering is one of a number of Wikipedia Day celebrations worldwide.

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Reminder invitation to the Wikipedia Day 16 birthday bash & edit-a-thon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district and everybody is invited!

Details and RSVP here

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PS: We still need more volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add what you can offer and your name to the Project page or Talk about it. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the Project page. The event is already growing due to volunteers that have stepped up so far.

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Page view stats on graph not scaling correctly for John Maynard Keynes

Page view stats on graph for these state is not scaling correctly for John Maynard Keynes when the graph is superimposed on another economist such as Marx. Keyes goes up to 2500 over the last month, while Marx goes much higher. However, when the two graphs are superimposed in the superimpose mode of the graph package, then the scale of Keynes only seems to register up to about 500 hits. The data being graphed for Keynes seems not to match the results you get when you plot Keynes alone. Is there a way to get accurate graphs in superimpose-graphs mode? ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

User:HotArticlesBot/Subscriptions

Hi Kaldari, if you don't have time for the bot, would it be possible to find someone to help maintain it? (Is it structured for that?) It's a really useful tool and a shame that some projects miss out on it czar 07:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Please create documentation pages for your scripts

Hello, I see you created quite a number of useful scripts. Could you please create documentation pages for these? That would be really helpful. They don't have to be long - they just need to state what the script is doing (it doesn't matter if that's already in a comment in the script or not).

--Fixuture (talk) 20:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Kaldari,

A HUGE backlog

We now have 808 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.

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Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		for your brilliant HotArticlesBot which not only gives WikiProject members useful insight on hotly edited articles but also adds to the WikiProject's public showcase.

Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

HotArticlesBot

Thank you for your recent fix that made the number of edits displayed for each article accurate. It's really looking good! Now, I have a few low-priority suggestions:

1. If vandalizing edits and their reverts could be excluded, that would be additionally helpful in determining what articles are getting more useful editing attention and preventing vandals from seeing their exploits run the article they vandalize to the top of the chart, which happened recently for WikiProject Louisville with Doss High School.
2. It would be nice if the following text "These are the articles..." could be displayed with a smaller font, or give us the ability with a parameter to do such. This text is currently (IMHO) a little too thick for use in an infobox, like I'm currently doing for WikiProject Louisville.
3. It would be nice to have small history links like (hist) next to each article title, to be able to drill down into recent edits more quickly.

Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:42, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Stevietheman: Thanks for the great suggestions. I went ahead and did #2. Kaldari (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the quick turnaround on #2. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 12:57, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for February 22

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.

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Please note: You should RSVP here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in.

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Penicillin

Hello, thanks for your edit to the Penicillin article. Could you check out my subsequent edit? Thanks. Graham87 03:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections

Your last chance to nominate yourself or any New Page Reviewer, See Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Coordination. Elections begin Monday 20 February 23:59 UTC. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon February reminder

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 6 p.m.

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New Page Review - newsletter No.3

Hello Kaldari,

Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed.

Still a MASSIVE backlog

We now have 808 New Page Reviewers but despite numerous appeals for help, the backlog has NOT been significantly reduced.
If you asked for the New Page Reviewer right, please consider investing a bit of time - every little helps preventing spam and trash entering the mainspace and Google when the 'NO_INDEX' tags expire.

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Authorities for spider names

Hi, a weakness of the World Spider Catalog is that it does not give the authorities for synonyms, only for the accepted name. Instead it lists references with links to the source. So in order to follow the ICZN we have to construct the correct authority citation from the information it gives (which is a very straightforward task). The ICZN is clear: "51.3. Use of parentheses around authors' names (and dates) in changed combinations. When a species-group name is combined with a generic name other than the original one, the name of the author of the species-group name, if cited, is to be enclosed in parentheses (the date, if cited, is to be enclosed within the same parentheses)." There are no qualifications here, no optional variants, just "is to be". So that's what we do. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:58, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Kaldari. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is The Wikipedia Library - Newspapers.com.
Message added 17:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

--Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 17:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiJournal

Seeking your inputs at: v:Talk:WikiJournal/WikiJournal_User_Group#Developing_WikiJournal_project_at_wikijournal.org. Diptanshu^Talk 07:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Your invitation: Bay Area WikiSalon series at Noisebridge

Please join us in San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. This month we are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace in the Mission near 16th Street BART (temporary change of venue). The good news is this means that you can bring spontaneous guests if you forget to RSVP!

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.

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If possible, please RSVP as it helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017

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Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Here's to crossing paths! KDS4444 (talk) 15:38, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Reminder: Tonight is Bay Area WikiSalon at Noisebridge

Please join us in San Francisco!

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Details and to RSVP: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017 (optional, but helpful for food and special needs accommodations)

We are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace (temporary venue change) near 16th ST BART in SF.

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Orphaned non-free image File:Nashville Rollergirls.png

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Account creator granted

After reviewing your request for the "accountcreator" permission, I have enabled the flag on your account. Keep in mind these things:

• The account creator right removes the limit on the maximum number of new accounts that can be created in a 24-hour period.
• The account creator right is not a status symbol. If it remains unused, it is likely to be removed. Abuse of the account creator right will result in its removal by an administrator.
• This has been added for your upcoming events, and is currently subject to removal at the end of May 2017.

If you no longer require the right, let me know, or ask any other administrator. Drop a note on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of the account creator right. Happy editing! — xaosflux ^Talk 11:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Article Creater

Hi! I am an active Tamil Wikipedian. We wish to create many articles without the help of bots. So, we need a tool which collects data and construct simple sentences according to the given data. Like, Name:-_____ Birthdate:-_______. Then it should make sentences like. _____ is an astronomer. He was born on _______. Is there are any tools like this? Or is this possible to create any tools like this. If yes, then we can create many articles about people, places, films, rivers, etc. Can you design a tool for us, by changing the format of your Wikilove tool interface? Please reply--Shriheeran (talk) 16:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)--Shri (talk) 16:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

@Shriheeran: You can get in contact with the Wikidata team to set up ArticlePlaceholders, if those aren't active on your Wikipedia right now! --Izno (talk) 17:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

@Shriheeran: Please see ArticlePlaceholder. If you would like to get that set up for Tamil Wikipedia, let me know. Kaldari (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

How to use that for creating articles? And Can you help me to install that for me only and I just want to try that. (As we a re not a small wiki and this will confuse new users) A wikipedian has told me that creating a such tool (Which is mentioned above) is easier and we can do it by 3 or 4 days by changing the format of another tool. Is this possible? And can you design such a tool? If yes, then I can tell you how the interface should be. Please, I am waiting for your great reply,,,,--Shriheeran (talk) 01:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you reply me!--Shriheeran (talk) 01:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@Shriheeran: Since it's an extension, it can't be installed just for you. It has to be installed for the entire wiki. The ArticlePlaceholder extension automatically creates article placeholders using information from Wikidata. These are not articles in the traditional sense, but do provide useful data for people interested in the subject of the article when that article doesn't exist on the wiki. Automatically writing actual articles is usually a bad idea, as you will get sentences like "John Paul II was a Catholic bishop, pope, cardinal, Archbishop of Kraków from Poland, Vatican City, Second Polish Republic who died of infirmity, sepsis, Parkinson's disease, myocardial infarction." Kaldari (talk) 18:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

MoS talk: ie, eg and etc

Hello, You recently commented on this on the MoS talk page. Your contribution was as follows; 'Don't use latin (sic) abbreviations, but if you absolutely must, include the dots so that it's less confusing'.

Just to be clear, are you referring to use of 'etc' when you say 'if you [...] must', or something outside the motion? --Sb2001 (talk) 08:13, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Wednesday night you are invited! Bay Area WikiSalon

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the Bay Area WikiSalon series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks. We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be cake!

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Look forward to seeing you there. Mathglot (talk) 06:47, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey, that was great, enjoyed the conversation! Feel free to shoot me links about Cuba articles or anything else you might want to collaborate on translating. Mathglot (talk) 08:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@Mathglot: My list of missing Cuba articles (which I'm sure isn't very comprehensive) is in my sandbox: User:Kaldari/sandbox. Most of these articles don't exist on Spanish Wikipedia either, and if they do, they don't have any references (like es:Rafael Montoro). Almost all of them have articles in EcuRed though, which is the Cuban (state-approved) version of Wikipedia. I'm sure EcuRed is heavily censored, but it does have great referencing. Of course all of the references are Spanish-language sources and a large percentage of them aren't available outside of Cuba. Do you think EcuRed would qualify as a reliable source for Wikipedia? Kaldari (talk) 17:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I translated Sergeants' Revolt, which was pretty bad in the original, so GIGO, the English one is pretty much junk, too; see the Talk page. But that actually leaves a great opportunity to improve it, starting with some of the stuff we already have in other articles about it. Here's another topic you could add to your list:

• Government of 100 days

About EcuRed: ("red" means "network"; you probably knew that). It appears to be a "Cuban wikipedia" (About EcuRed (sp); (en) ) and since Wikipedia isn't a WP:RS for Wikipedia itself, all the more so in the case of EcuRed, I would say. Beyond that, I imagine the Cuban government keeps a very watchful eye over what goes in there. So I would say, within those caveats, and especially for stories that don't have much political import, we might as well use them as background info or External links items, though not as a citable source, and if sources exist in English (or in non-Cuban Spanish sources) we should certainly use those in preference. Mathglot (talk) 02:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Total pageviews

Hey Kaldari I have been keeping track of total pageviews for WPMED for years.

Thank you for the total view including redirects for March 2017.

Wondering if you can use the same method to calculate total pageviews going back in time if it is not too difficult?

Will then add them here. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: Unfortunately, it's not a trivial thing to generate, but we can probably do it at some point. Right now, we need to solve T164178 first. Ask me again in a few weeks. Kaldari (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay no hurry. And not essential if it is too complicated. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

By the way do these auto update? [4] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: They will as soon as we solve T164178. Since "S" is near the end of the alphabet, the bot didn't get to it before the end of the month so it didn't get updated :( Kaldari (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)