Juvair mushtaq

October 2022

Hello, I'm Sakura emad. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Lalleshwari, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 08:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad Dear friend

of course, you changed lal ded article but you had provided wrong information about her.Brother I am from kashmir and I live in same village where lel ded born ,it is sampur and many more mistakes you do in lal ded's article like hindu call her lalleeshwari and muslim call her lalle arifa and locally known as lal ded.

My dear friend if you will gave me permission or you can change it itself . Frist you will collected all the information about lal ded and then text me you are right or wrong.

Thank you for reading my text.

God bless you. Juvair mushtaq (talk) 09:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

it's not just the name, you even tried to change their belief (religion maybe) from hindu to muslim, without providing a reliable source —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 09:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad Brother,

what evidence you have lad ded is hindu not a muslim.

his teacher was a muslim (syed simnani r.a)

she gave a milk to TRUE saint of kashmir (sheikh ul alam)

she met three times with (syed hamdani r.a) who was a muslim preacher.

In her poetry (vakhs) she used the name of allah .

what is this .

these all signs told us she is a muslim.

but i can't told you she is a muslim I told you that whether she is a muslim or hindu minimum her address will written correct in her article......

you can ask me any question brother weather you are a muslim or hindu? Juvair mushtaq (talk) 09:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

the contents you tried to change was properly sourced: see

was a Kashmiri mystic of the Kashmir Shaivism school of Hindu philosophy

—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

also see

Some reports suggest and that she left home, between the ages of twenty-four and twenty-six, to become a disciple of a spiritual leader, Siddha Srikanth or Sed Boyu, who was a Shaivite

—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 09:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad of course sed boyu was a Frist teacher of lel ded but when she realize that all is lie in hindism she went to syed simnani r.a and she realize only one religious is TRUE that is islam and after that she only gave her attraction towards the preachers of islam like syed simnani r.a ,sheikh ul alam , mir ali hamdani r.a etc. Juvair mushtaq (talk) 09:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad i

have you any more question Juvair mushtaq (talk) 09:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

trust me i am not asking questions, i am showing you the exact same thing that presented in the page before you change them, and i have never said if she was Muslim nor Hindu her belief is controversial, among Muslims and Hindus

See:

What this points to is the non-sectarian nature of Lal Ded's spiritual life and her song-poems. Yet, her life and work have been used for various religious and political agendas over time. As author and poet Ranjit Hoskote writes:

To the outer world, Lal Ded is arguably Kashmir's best known spiritual and literary figure; within Kashmir, she has been venerated both by Hindus and Muslims for nearly seven centuries. For most of that period, she has successfully eluded the proprietorial claims of religious monopolists. Since the 1980s, however, Kashmir's confluential culture has frayed thin under the pressure of a prolonged conflict to which transnational terrorism, State repression and local militancy have all contributed. Religious identities in the region have become harder and more sharp-edged, following a substantial exodus of the Hindu minority during the early 1990s, and a gradual effort to replace Kashmir's unique and syncretically nuanced tradition of Islam with a more Arabocentric global template. It is true that Lal Ded was constructed differently by each community, but she was simultaneously Lallesvari or Lalla Yogini to the Hindus and Lal'arifa to the Muslims; today unfortunately, these descriptions are increasingly being promoted at the expense of one another.

—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad sister you sent me the screenshots of led-ded

it is not fair.

i will showed you 100's of books that were written by early scholars they were muslims as well as hindus.in which lel-ded was a hindu when she was born but after met with muslim preacher she accepted islam.

sis! can you watch the shrine of lel-ded.

that is full like muslim treditionality.

so what . Juvair mushtaq (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

the thing is i am just trying to explain to you; what is her belief according to sources that presented in the article,

1. there is no hard evidence supporting "islam" nor "hindu" as her belief (religion). and that's controversial.
2. you tried to change some statements (which was sourced) in the page without providing any reliable sources
3. now you're arguing that she accepted islam as her religion without any evidence, honestly i didn't see one yet.

please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources or Help:Referencing_for_beginners can be helpful.

thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 10:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad i have an urgent work

we discuss after completed my work

good bye Juvair mushtaq (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad i am so sorry Juvair mushtaq (talk) 10:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

take your time, happy editing. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 10:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad hlo Juvair mushtaq (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad what do you mean by happy editing Juvair mushtaq (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

i meant enjoy your time on wikipedia. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad hlo Juvair mushtaq (talk) 15:44, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

hello —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 15:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad who r are brother? Juvair mushtaq (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Here on wikipedia all the time. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad oh! After discussion on lal ded b/w you and me. then, i read many book about lel ded and many mistic saints . I saw that you are wrong man ...... Juvair mushtaq (talk) 16:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

since the very beginning i've never pointed on right nor wrong, i just acted accordingly, you tried to the change/add information without providing reliable sources, so i reverted your edit, if you have reliable source(s) which can prove everything please feel free to add your information again Thank you —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad ok, I will show you that my change's about lal ded is TRUE then can i add TRUE information about lal ded on wikipedia ..

my humble request! Juvair mushtaq (talk) 10:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

provide reliable source, and add anything you want. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sakura emad ok Juvair mushtaq (talk) 10:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

References

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Do not wp:vandalise Wikipedia by adding false information and claim it was only fixing a "typo". Read wp:blp and wp:v and wp:minor. Slatersteven (talk) 15:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)