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Song links in Eurovision participation overviews

Hi, I'm just wondering what are you trying to do with the participation overview sections? You keep changing it to interlanguage links and then to something else again. I personally don't really care whether or not there are interlanguage links; they may be useful to some people but to most people they won't be. But I do try to make sure the tables are properly formatted to be user friendly and compliant with Wikipedia guidelines, but every time I fix things you change it again. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I thought it would be more interesting looking into the song links that aren’t in English, but in the country’s native language. If you’d like, I’ll get rid of the inter language links. Jusherman (talk) 01:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

If I do, I’ll remove the inter language links from the songs, but not from the artists because I don’t want viewers to believe they participated under a different name (the links for returning artists are only present once, and sometimes only the first name shows up.) Jusherman (talk) 01:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I would also revert the links back to their participation from the contest (I.e. format it like this [[[xcountry] in the Eurovision Song Contest xxxx|[xcountry]]]), since 1: Viewers would care more about what that country did at the contest, and 2: think the “redirected to” note makes people believe there’s something missing Jusherman (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I don't mind the interlanguage links, and I'd be fine either way. I'm just trying to keep things consistent and properly formatted.

I don't think it makes sense though to link the title of the song to the country's participation in the contest, because anyone would expect the link to go to the song instead (see MOS:INTUITIVENESS). Many pages for songs redirect to the participation articles anyway, but it's still better to link to that redirect instead. As explained in MOS:RDR, if you want to create an article about the song, then you can just replace the redirect with the article and all other articles will automatically link to the new one. Additionally, the "Redirected from" message is actually helpful because it shows you why you landed on a page that you may not have expected to land on. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Jusherman! I appreciate your contributions. However, the contributions you made yesterday to the article ESC 1964 lack any sources. Please provide reliable sources. The statement that three rehearsals took place is not supported by the source I added to the original sentence a few weeks ago so please add an additional reference. The other statements about the lost recordings are completely without any source. Unsourced material may be removed. --EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 07:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Your edits of Netherlands in the Eurovision Song Contest 1956

Hello, I'm EurovisionLibrarian. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Netherlands in the Eurovision Song Contest 1956, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 19:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

My apologies for my lack of sourcing material. My source came from the Dutch website, Eurovision Artists. Unfortunately I’m not sure how to copy and paste the exact link to the 1956 Nationaal Songfestival page, since the link doesn’t change when under a new page. I’d like it if you could link the page on the article for me. Jusherman (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

eurovisionartists.nl is a fansite, and therefore has to be taken with caution. It could even be considered as UGC which would disqualify it from being used as a source, see WP:UGC / WP:RS. I have looked only a few times on their historical “database” to know what they write there. Unfortunately, the website (with its early 2000s design) seems to be down / have technical issues often. Much information, especially on old national finals, seems outdated or wrong, in my opinion. In rare cases, someone seems to base the information on newspaper articles and cites their sources. But in most cases, it’s as if it was information passed on from generation to generation without anyone ever fact-checking it and in the end, no-one knows where it came from. This is a general problem with a lot of fansites.

In my opinion, it is therefore vital to trust only reliable sources. What do I mean by that? Examples are contemporary sources i.e. sources from that time (in this case 1956): historical newspaper and TV listings magazine articles, press releases, archival documents and video recordings, if they exist. One can also look upon interviews done later with participants or persons involved in the national final, as well as biographies. In some cases, book publications on the history of national finals of a certain country exist, with the author giving evidence / citing their sources or being a clear expert from inside the broadcaster. Official web sites of broadcasters themselves can also help.

In the case of Netherlands 1956, much historical newspapers and TV listings magazines are fortunately available online on Delpher, a platform with digitised material from the Dutch Royal Library (KB). They probably scanned almost all Dutch newspapers and TV magazines from 1956 so a search there gives a very good picture of what can be found out. The NF seems not to have been recorded so there is no video. If you can find anything on Delpher from 1956 about the last artist-song matches in the table or the running order, feel free to include these sources. I have done searches with keywords such as “eurovisie” and “songfestival” but it is possible that I haven’t found and read everything that is there about the NF. EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 13:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)