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The Promise : Senate Estimates Committee

Thank you for your very prompt contribution about the Senate Estimates committee. (diff)

This is very valuable for the article; but for the moment, I have moved the material to the article talk page, here, until we can see whether further reports emerge.

WP has quite a strong position against WP:Original Research -- for an event like this, we really do need to rely as far as possible on published third party accounts, and the balance they strike. There are also quite strong guidelines where there might be WP:Conflict of Interest -- where there might be COI, editors are strongly preferred to contribute to the talk page, rather than to edit the article themselves.

I hope you can understand why I have done this, and please feel very free to join in the discussion on the article talk page.

Alternatively, if you think I've made a mistake, the editors who specialise in questions like this hang out at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard, if you want to get a completely uninvolved second opinion. Jheald (talk) 09:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I wrote the above yesterday to what I thought was your talk page, but I mis-spelt your username and so put it in the wrong place. I'm glad you found your way anyway to the discussion on the article's talk page. Jheald (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Jheald, some matters:

Firstly, on The Promise talk page, on the response to the Senate Estimates hearing, you wrote on 15 Feb “Until more reports emerge, for the time being I have cut it back to just the first sentence.” Can these paragraphs you removed be re-instated now?

Mr Ebeid revealed that SBS entered into a pre-sale arrangement with, and made an advance payment to, the producers of The Promise in full knowledge that the subject matter was going to be controversial and likely to be seen as racist by most members of the Jewish community. He conceded that SBS had formed the opinion that the series is not antisemitic without having consulted anyone in the Jewish community.

One of the Senators who questioned him, Senator Helen Kroger of Victoria, subsequently issued a media release. [2] “SBS appears to have put a business decision ahead of independent assessments which determined that it was offensive to the Jewish community,” Senator Kroger said.

Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Small Business and Fair Competition Senator Scott Ryan rejected Mr Ebeid’s claim that because The Promise was fiction, it was subject to different considerations. “Some of the biggest slanders in history have been works of fiction,” Senator Ryan said. “Depictions in the series include Jewish children stoning Arab children, blood-thirsty soldiers, conniving double-agents and members of an extremely wealthy, cosmopolitan family. Like it or not, these three depictions are antisemitic stereotypes that are at the same time old, but also reappearing today.”[3]

Secondly, on my user-page you state that “we really do need to rely as far as possible on published third party accounts, and the balance they strike.” I note removal of most of my quoting from Stepan Kerkyasharian’s letter, yet you allow extensive quoting of Hal Wootten’s article. Where is the balance there? Surely if Wootten’s article is allowed extensive quoting, then why not Kerkyasharian’s?

Thirdly, I’d like to add in quotes and references to media articles on the Senate hearing. Can I do that now?

Julie ECAJ (talk) 10:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)