User talk:Joshua Jonathan/Classifications of Buddhist teachings

Tenet systems

Hi Jonathan, FYI, the tenet systems are studied by all four schools of Tibetan Buddhism. According to this source (which provides a decent overview), the Gelugpas have a different interpretation for the latter systems: http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level5_analysis_mind_reality/four_indian_buddhist_tenet_systems/four_indian_tenets_illusion_.html

An accessible book on this topic is: Andy Karr, Contemplating Reality: A Practitioner's Guide to the View in Indo-Tibetan Buddhism (Boston: Shambhala, 2007).

Note also that the tenet systems concern the "view" of ultimate reality. The provide progressive stages of understanding this view.

This is in contrast with, for example, the nine yanas of the Dzogchen lineage, which describes a complete "path" of practice. I hope this is helpful. Cheers, Dorje108 (talk) 02:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for watching and noticing! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:03, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Nine yanas is not Dzogchen. Nine yanas is Nyingma. And they are nine different paths, not one path. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 05:52, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Victoria, thanks for the clarification. Yes, it is more accurate to state that the nine yanas describe the Nyingma path. However, it is my understanding that the nine yanas are regarded successive paths, and that taken together they represent a complete path to enlightenment. For reference, see:

• http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nine_yanas
• http://www.phakchokrinpoche.org/study-and-practice/three-streams/the-full-nine-yanas-path
• Masters of Meditation and Miracles, edited by Harold Talbott (Boston: Shambhala, 1999), pages 16-20Dorje108

@Dorje108: They are not 1 path. They are 9 different paths. Mahayoga and Anuyoga rely on the 2 stages, while Atiyoga doesn't. Atiyoga upadesha contains the teaching on the bardo of dharmata, which is not present anywhere else in Buddhism. Read "A Guide to the Words of My Perfect Teacher."VictoriaGrayson (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)