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ABBA did disband

You've extensively edited the article for ABBA, which states the exact opposite of what you just claimed: ABBA did in fact disband. There are also cited articles on Voyage (ABBA album) that explicitly state this as well. Please don't blank content or try to push hot-take claims. Thanks. Ss112 19:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Pitchfork has it wrong (linkd from the Voyage page). It's a widely known fact that ABBA took time apart for other projects, the girls for their solo albums and the boys doing their musical (Chess). As the main ABBA page on wiki explains, band members kept their options open for several years, claiming that they had plans to record again as ABBA. It only gradually became apparent that it would never happen. It is only in hindsight we can say that it was quite obvious the group ended in late 1982. In any case, it's not really necessarily to make a specific statement about the group end on the Voyage album page. Jopla2 (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

...And you essentially just said they disbanded in as many words. Ss112 21:08, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

No disbandment took place in 1982. Jopla2 (talk) 05:59, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

You said " it was quite obvious the group ended in late 1982". It doesn't matter if you want to personally use the term "disbandment", to most people that is the same thing. I trust what sources say, not you, and that's the word sources used. It wasn't just Pitchfork, and it's funny that you're trying to unilaterally say "sources using the word 'disbandment' are wrong!" Ss112 06:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Please stop with the excessive detail in the lead of Voyage

It is never put in the lead of an article who the engineer of an album is. This is the kind of thing saved for an in-depth section about the recording of the album and a credit in the personnel section. Most readers do not care about who the engineer of an album was. The lead is for an overview; engineering credits and adding excessive detail about Ulvaeus not producing the album and this being the first time for ABBA can be put in the body, not the lead.

Most online listings of "I Still Have Faith in You" and "Don't Shut Me Down" were two tracks on one single. Obviously they charted separately because in 2021, "singles" charts do not list collections, only individual tracks. They were really only issued separately on CD single, and there is no way, shape or form CD singles are the predominant format in 2021. Hence I have removed your rewording from "dual single release". WP:BRD applies. Thank you. Ss112 06:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but that's nothing like that is in any rules. Whatever's considered useful in general can be included in the lead part. Mamma Mia hen party goes obviously won't care about who engineer is but Voyage being the first non-Tretow release is certainly noteworthy. It is neither technical only but apparent for the overall sound. Most fans also know he was considered a cruacial factor in ABBA's sound. The same goes for Ulveaus's role, which is the first for ABBA.

I would say the two singles are clearly 'more' separate singles than a combined 'Double A'. Both exist in separate formats, with individual cover art. Discogs has two digital issues listed that combine the two tracks but one doesn't come with a valid download source. So that's just one combined release, compared to two for "Faith" and one for "Shut", separately. Only "Faith" has so far been released on 7", but Björn has stated that a 7" would be coming of "Shut" as well. If ABBA considered them a 'Double A', why did they release a 1-sided 7" and two 1-track CD singles? 'Double A' makes no sense. What comes to chart, both have charted on their own (along with all tracks from the album now), so defining what makes a 'single' by chart performance isn't very sensible these days. Also, ABBA particularly sell physical copies. Official site still has minimal info about the new releases, so that can't be used as a source. Although, obviously, all the physical formats are separate. When the new releases were announced (on Sept 2), they were referred to as two singles, released on the same day. Official Youtube pages for the two songs state 'Listen to two brand new songs', nothing about them being on the same single. Jopla2 (talk) 01:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I've addressed your double A-side spiel on the article talk page. In future: start new threads at the bottom of an article talk page, not the top. "Most fans know"...right there you've missed the point. Wikipedia is not written from a fan's perspective (WP:FANPOV). It is for general readers who may not even know anything about a topic. You also cannot speak for "most fans". Nobody can. There are all different types of fans—casual fans included. There is no way "most" ABBA fans would know about some engineer's role in their sound. Even if that is true it's still not relevant to the lead. Ss112 11:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

So... I can't speak for the average ABBA fan, but you can? Who are you to decide what's worthwhile in the top part? It's quite a widely known fact that Tretow was an integral part in ABBA's sound and him not being part is very noteworthy, in my opinion. It is an interesting detail the majority of people are not aware of, but I would argue they would find it interesting. The same for Ulvaeus' part. Those are facts, not fan pov. Jopla2 (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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