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Holland Land Company

This summer, you began a substantial rewrite of the article on the Holland Land Company. I recently overhauled the article on my own initiative, incorporating more books and journals which I had access to. I invite you to review what I wrote to make sure your earlier contributions were preserved. Make corrections as you see fit. Kodak03 (talk) 18:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The page is improving but there is still more work to balance the article.

I've cowritten an article about Paul Busti and his origins in Milan that will be published this summer. Detailing the main actors will help in improving the Holland Land Company article. Currently the article neglects the range of investments held by the Holland Land Company and overseen by Paul Busti. The article currently details the Holland Land Purchase in Western New York, but neglects the other tracts in central New York and western Pennsylvania, plus canal and stock company investments, etc.

The main reference remains Paul D. Evan's Holland Land Company published almost a hundred years ago.

Extending the discussion of the Holland Land Company and the Seneca Nation seems like it deserves a separate article itself (history of the Seneca lands and the State of New York?). The history from the Holland Land Company literature is generally patronizing. There is 150 years of history not included in the article about the Seneca Nation -- there doesn't seem to be sufficient scholarly accounts of this important part of their story. The Hauptman article helps but is only one small piece of that story. The histories printed by the Buffalo Historical Society a century ago are suspect and need careful review. Johneverettjones (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately the sources I had available had little to say about the company's lands outside of Western New York, or its other investments.

I agree that the Ogden Land Company should be split off into its own article eventually, but it was the first part of the research I did and what I wrote did not feel like enough for a new article at the time. The company's land sales were not of much historical significance but the lawsuits it was party to are very important in American legal history. The history of the Seneca lands needs an overhaul, being currently dispersed across many articles with a lot of overlap.

I also agree the Buffalo Historical Society piece is not the best source and I have only cited it for some technical details on the Holland Land Company that I did not find in other sources, such as the mention of LeRoy as a trustee. Many of its statements on the Ogden Land Company were repeated in the debates over the company in the Congressional Record, but I will remove some claims that are not. Kodak03 (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

The work of Paul D. Evans (his doctoral thesis) remains a reliable and well researched source. Although its publication by the Buffalo Historical Society did involve some editorial censorship, it appears to have been minor. Likewise, Orsamus Turner's works on the Holland Land Company (1859) remains reliable and useful.

It is the pro-Ellicott works in the Buffalo Historical Society publications that are in question, damaged by a family interest in promoting Joseph Ellicott and a nativist denial of the importance of the Dutch investors or the Agent General (C.O.O.) Paul Busti. Johneverettjones (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

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