Jkjazz

Re: Commercial Website?

I sent you those messages because, on half of the articles you edited, there are already external links to web pages about the artists' lyrics. And watch where you're putting them: for example, Olivia is a disambiguation page. Extraordinary Machine 14:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

My intent is to prevent people from using Wikipedia as an advertising vehicle. And please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) so people know who wrote your messages.

This is your last warning. The next time you insert a commercial link you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Extraordinary Machine 14:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

If you stop inserting links to your website on articles that already have links to lyric web pages, then I won't stand in your way any more. And yes, it does bother me that your links say @ LyricsTemple.com, so I think you should stop writing that as well. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 14:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

A suggestion about how you should proceed

Hi there, I thought it better to respond to you here, rather than clutter up the help desk.

First, you should probably read WP:SPAM. This is why you got the warnings in the first place. Reading it should hopefully help you avoid the same mistakes in the future.

As far as I am aware, all of the links you inserted have now been removed, I will supply a way for you to see all of the pages you added them to, but you should read all I have to say here first.

You should add to the "Edit summary" box when you are doing your editing. When adding your links, it probably says something like "/* External links */". Add a short comment to the end of that box saying something like "Added link to lyrics site". This gives additional information to the people watching for vandalism and link spamming and may help to discourage them from simply removing your changes.

For articles that are short with little detail, you probably will not have a problem putting the links back in place.

For articles that are long and detailed, you should probably propose adding you link on the discussion page for the article. Go to the article you want to put your link on, then click on the "discussion" tab at the top of the page. On the page that takes you to and then click the "+" box at the top of the page. Put in a title and then a short description of why you want to add your link. The longer articles often have a group of people who do a lot of work on them and discussing things before making changes is often helpful. Before you hit save on the discussion page, click on the box that says "Watch this page". If you do this, clicking on "My watchlist" at the top of any page will take you to a list of pages you are watching and you can then easily monitor them for replies to your proposal.

Try not to add too many links in a short period of time, it's how you got tagged as a spammer in the first place.

You can see a list of pages you modified before you created an account here: Special:Contributions/65.26.38.74 and you can see a list of changes you made with the account you now have by clicking on "My contributions" at the top of any page.

If you have any further questions, feel free to post them here as I will add you to my own watchlist for a few days. --GraemeL ^(talk) 17:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

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Hi Graeme,

Thank you for your help. I have just updated Melissa Etheridge. Could you please have a look and comment before I add anything else?

If an artist has lyrics sites listed, would I be allowed to link to my music videos page for that artist if I mark them as such?

Thanks again,

jk Jkjazz 17:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Not quite right. Don't add a comment to the code. Under the big text box where you make your changes, there is a small text box with "Edit summary:" beside it. Put you comments about you change in that edit box. --GraemeL ^(talk) 18:08, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, I think I've got it now. I see what you are talking about. The Melissa Etheridge is now edited per your specs.

But...

Sorry to bother you, could you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melissa_Etheridge&action=history I added this link earlier. "Machine" said that he would leave me alone if there were no lyric sites posted.

It now appears that I need to please someone else with a different opinion. I'm trying to stay happy here, but it's getting tough.

Thanks,

jk 65.26.38.74 19:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Note that many people dislike widespread insertion of links that looks like it is intended to add traffic to even a non-commercial site. Some people may also be copncerned over the copyright issues I mentioned on the help desk.I would advise discussing the matter on the talk pages of the articles involved before you re-insert any links. I attempted to leave you a msg earleri, shortly after you poste on my talk page, but I had connnection problems. Feel free to ask further questions of me, and I will respond as and when i can. I think User:GraemeL is generally giving you good advice. DES ^(talk) 20:28, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

You used the correct format in your last edit. You dont have to include <!-- --> though.

The last two times that your edits were reverted had the explaination that the contents of the site you were linking to were violations of copyrights. I would do as as DES suggests and try taking it to an article talk page, but I wouldn't hold out much hope if the general consensus is that the content that you're linking to is copyvio. --GraemeL ^(talk) 21:26, 26 September 2005 (UTC)