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Aleksandar Turundzhev

Hi. I'm gonna ask you something briefly. The tags I've put up on the article Aleksandar Turundzhev were recently reverted by yourself. Respectfully, I would ask you to consider bringing them back, because you've got to agree, there aren't many references and sources, and few of the existing ones seem to be rather strange, they don't have a ISBN number, come from non-reliable websites, etc. Hope on getting your reply soon, Nemojda (talk) 18:47, 12 September 2013 (UTC).

Hello Jingiby

I just wanted to tell you that i don't want to have bad relations with you.i have calculated the numbers of albanians in the countries included in the page and the max. number is a little more than 8 million,not 6 The source said there are 6 million people who speak albanain,but if you want to incude this source,you should go to wikipedia page of greeks,and put the number of greks at 12 million,the same as you did to albanians.The greeks in that page are 14-17 million. Have a nice day Jingiby celtic (talk) 20:09, 16 september 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Wikipedia is a place for reliable sources, not for private calculations. Jingiby (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia (neighbors)

There is absolutely a well defined order if the neighbors of Macedonia are set as (Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania and Kosovo). A circle is formed and it's just a matter of choice where such a circle would be started. Additional plus for such an order is that Kosovo is the "least" recognized states from all of the above thus not deserving the first position on the list. I hope you agree with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ДАБ (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

No, there is not such order defined by the recognition of the states. The standard order adopted in carthography, i.e. in geography and geographical descriptions is according to the standard order of the Cardinal directions: North, East, South and West. Jingiby (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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Wrong use of sources

I can't understand why you add a wrong source for this map [[1]]. There isn't an Thracian area in this book that includes for example the capital of the Macedonian kingdom. The kingdom of Odrysae is reprented in a variety of maps (from Struma to Black Sea).Alexikoua (talk) 17:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

If I see you are wrong again. The border fgollows exactly the lower cource of Strymon. File:Tracian state.png Jingiby (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm ok with the Odrysae kingdom map ([[2]] is fine to me). My objection is about the supposed Thracian area which includes the kingdom of Macedonia and most important isn't supported by Oxford dictionary (i.e. Pella is not part of the area the period).Alexikoua (talk)

Both maps are nearly identical. If you check the other map carefully, you will see that the city of Pella is marked on it and it is located in Macedon, remoted far west from the border of Thrace.Jingiby (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

What's completely or on this map is that it shows Pella (and various other regions) as inhabited by Thracians. Therefore it should be remove, unless you have find something rs to support it.Alexikoua (talk) 18:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Pella and the surrounding areas undoubtedly were inhabited originally by Thracians. We know that Emathia and Pieria were mostly occupied by Thracian tribes. After the Macedonians expanded from their homeland they partially absorbed the neighbouring tribes, but they were not totally annihilated. Because of that those areas are shown correctly on the map as settled with mixed population. For more see pp. 591-622 from The Cambridge ancient history. 3,2. “The” Assyrian and Babylonian Empires and other states of the Near East, from the eighth to the sixth centuries B.C. John Boardman, Iorwerth E. S. Edwards, N. G. L. Hammond, Cambridge University Press, 1991, ISBN 0521227178. Jingiby (talk) 06:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Originally yes, but can't you read the legent of the map? It's about 5th-3rd century BC when the Odrysae kingdom was established and Macedon as well (not to mention that Pella is labbeled as a Thracian settlement of that time). In fact the map is completely wp:or and 'anachronistic' and we have so far no serious reason to keep it.Alexikoua (talk) 13:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

No way. After the Macedonians expanded from their homeland they partially absorbed the neighbouring tribes, and locals were not totally annihilated. Because of that those areas are shown correctly on the map as settled with mixed population. The map is correct. For more see A Companion to Greek Studies, CUP Archive, pp. 31-32. By your logic after the Roman conquest of the South-Western Balkans during the 2th century BC, the whole area ought to be depopulated and all the locals annihilated and as a consequence all the historical maps from that period should show only Romans living into the Roman province of Macedonia. Jingiby (talk) 13:24, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

It seems clear that your arguments are clearly based on wp:or assumptions. In case you do not present something that labels 5th-3rd cen. BC Pella and surroundings as Thracians settlements, (and I mean with real data not hypothetical like in the Oxford Dictionary) as the map does this one will be removed from the relevant articles.Alexikoua (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

First: the historicity of migration, conquest and population expulsion and extermination in Macedon have been called into question. Second: on the map Pella is shown as capital of Macedon and a start point of the campaigne of Alaxander III against the Thracians, not as Thracian settlement. Third: to presenting a source that labels the area during the time somwhere between 5th-3rd cen. BC as populated also by Thracians see: Literary evidence of Greco—Thracian contact in this period is naturally strongest for the regions surrounding Sindos and Chalkidiki, lying west of the Teramic gulf and in the vicinity of major Greek centres. Until the Macedonians conquered the region in the mid—fifth century, Sindos and Chalkidiki were largely populated by Thracians... Also the archaeological evidence does not point to any significant disruptions between the Iron Age and Hellenistic periods in Macedonia. The general continuity of material culture, settlement sites, and the pre-Greek onomastic are contrasting with the traditional "ethnic cleansing" views of early Macedonian expansion. Fore more see: Snodgrass, Anthony M. 2000. The Dark Age of Greece: An Archaeological Survey of the Eleventh to the Eighth Centuries BC. New York, New York: Routledge. ISBN 0-415-93635-7. p. 163: "Altogether, the graves of Macedonia, like their contents, are best explained by the durability of the non-Greek cultural element here, in which the phenomena of Greek influence – the Protogeometric pottery, and perhaps the rare cremations at Vergina – are fleeting." also: Brock, Roger; Hodkinson, Stephen, 2000, Alternatives to Athens: Varieties of Political Organization and Community in Ancient Greece, Chapter 12 Zosia Halina Archibald, "Space, Hierarchy, and Community in Archaic and Classical Macedonia, Thessaly, and Thrace", pp. 222–224 and Hornblower, Simon; Matthews, Elaine; Fraser, Peter Marshall, 2000. Greek Personal Names: Their Value as Evidence. British Academy by Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-726216-3, p. 112. Jingiby (talk) 06:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I have corrected the description as per map legend which reflects the situation during the 5th. century BC. Jingiby (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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   Ще те помоля, антични скопианецо, да спреш да ми изтриваш промените, защото Гоце Делчев е етнически българин, въпреки цялата галимация, която вашите шумадийски правителства създават. Не ме интересува, че ви стои в химна. Не ме интересува какво учите в училище. Вашата официална сърбославска историография може да служи за сюжетна линия на комикси. Ако все още не вярваш, че Гоце Делчев е етнически българин, с българско самосъзнание, можеш да огледаш беседата за Гоце Делчев в английската Уикипедия. Ако тази фактология изложена там не ти е достатъчна, ще те помоля да ми дадеш логично македонистко обяснение на следните факти:
   Гоце Делчев завършва българските начално, основно, средно и военно училища.
   Гоце Делчев е основал Български Македоно-Одрински Революционен Комитет.
   Гоце Делчев се подписва под устава за създаване на БМОРК, където пише, че член може да е всеки българин, без значение на пола.
   Гоце Делчев преподава по български език.
   Гоце Делчев служи в българското военно разузнаване.
   И не ми пиши на английски, защото се разбираме с теб съвършено безпроблемно. Македонският народ няма по-братски народ от българския. Когато един милион албанци и югославски партизани се засилиха през 1999 година да ви свалят правителството (щяха да успеят, да го направят, повярвай ми), България ви прати танкове и тайно ви снабдяваше с боеприпаси. Първи ви признахме, само и само да не сте в лапите на Сърбия. От вас се иска само да спрете с вашите простотии.

Back0ut (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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   Аз добре прочетох цялата статия в английския ѝ вариант, още преди да започна, да правя редакциите. Отлично съм запознат с по-нататъшното ѝ съдържание. Вижда се, че навсякъде в нея косвено може да се умозаключи, че Гоце Делчев е българин. Аз настоявам за нещо повече от косвени заключения - той е български герой, който заслужава един път завинаги да излезе от тази гнусна идеологическа въртележка.
   Друго нещо забелязах, за съжаление по-късно от колкото ми се иска - грешката е моя - а именно, че ти точно си вписал доказателстввата, че Гоце Делчев е бил с българско самосъзнание. Сега забелязах също, че твоето потребителско име е "Джингиби", което означава "подобен на дух", но е по-популярно с това, че турците така са наричали Васил Левски. Тези два мои пропуска, вече забелязани, ме навеждат на мисълта, че ти си българин, или поне българофил, а не "шумадиец", както те нарекох неправилно предишния път, когато ти писах. Извинявай за което.
   Сега обаче ще се възползвам от това твое позволение да ти задавам въпроси. Защо не искаш да пише, че Гоце Делчев е българин? Защо това важи само за английската Уикипедия, а не също така за македонската, руската, българската и останалите? Да поясня: в руската, македонската, българската и други другоезични варианти на статията за Гоце Делчев е отбелязана етническа му принадлежност - някъде като македонска, някъде като българска. Ако посоча източник, че Гоце Делчев е българин, ще може ли да "дам приноса си" към статията за Гоце Делчев?
   Послепис: Ще те помоля най-смирено, да не ми пишеш на английски, а и също така да не ми четеш лекции. Аз отлично знам, че Уикипедия не е български националистически форум. Не промених съдържанието на статията, заради някакъв болен, гол национализъм, без никакво покритие, какъвто смея да твърдя е македонския. Промених го, защото е такава истината за историческата личност Гоце Делчев.

Back0ut (talk) 19:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Истината винаги има две лица. Тази статия e с много дълга история на редакции, заключвания и дискусии и има над 100 референции. Нещата в живота не са черно-бели, особено в случая с Делчев. Това е положението. Изчети всичко описано по горе през последните 10 години по редакциите на тази статия, също страницата за разговори с архивите й, а и източниците, които са приложени и ако след това имаш други въпроси, заповядай пак. Между другото тука се пише само на английски. Това е правило. Също така не е форум и няма място за безкрайни дискусии. Край. Jingiby (talk) 06:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Albania etc

Hi. I notice what you are tryig to do and I have already semi protected one article, but please be careful to avoid being inadvertently led into a 3r or even a slow edit war. Ask for PP before it gets this close. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

OK. Jingiby (talk) 04:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Answer

Lol,Go ahead,..?. Any discusion with you is wasting of time. Learn more about your origin.No offense ,please. Bulgars .It seems you been blocked already from writing articles.Work it good manner and put citations.Thanks Knightserbia (talk) 07:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Turkish people intro

The problematic issue on this [[3]] is why we should mention Thracians next to Ancient Anatolians, since several people were inhabiting the region with much more deep impact on local culture. There is a widely accepted consensus Talk:Turkish_people#So_what.27s_the_reason.3F that Thracians shoudn't be mentioned in lead (they are indirectly included in the mention of 'various people'. In case you object this point you are free to participate in the discussion.Alexikoua (talk) 15:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

OK! Jingiby (talk) 15:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Video "Macedonian Prayer"

I think that it shouldn't be merged with SMK/WMC page since the only fact that relates to both is that the video was directed by Deputy of SMK/WMC. However, its creation and airing have much more to do with the public MTV television. As for notability, it was gained from racism and ethnocentrism of unusual type which one never saw in recent history of television.212.158.180.65 (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Thracian map

I'm going to remove the problematic map. If you have something additional to suggest about the newly-created map I'm open. By the way, I just notice that the 4rth c. BC language map of se Europe is deleted. Too bad, but as soon as I have time I'll create a same one, but copyvio-free.Alexikoua (talk) 20:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the color used to designate the area inhabited by Thracian tribes (pink) is not the best choice. When it is set over the basic color (grey) the result is obscure. If it is possible change pink with another color for more clarity. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 06:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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Ural-Altaic race was redirected to the Turanid race. On the other hand, you at least need to read the article which you trying to change. According to article ..."Turanid race" that included the Uralic and Altaic speaking peoples more generally and this is a sourced information(source 4). And, Altaic Japanese've established Turanist organisations. You can look at Turanian Society to see it. Therefore, I can easily add the Japanese to See also part of the article and also I can add the ...or Ural-Altaic race to the article. Wikipedia is not ur blog! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.174.135.252 (talk) 09:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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OK, then. I have asked for help on Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Thank you.Jingiby (talk) 12:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

• it's useless, fantasy is more important than fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.1.177 (talk) 12:05, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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I hope, this was a wise decision. Jingiby (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Fortunately, this ip madness has been fixed. Thanks Jing.Alexikoua (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Mixture

Of course there were. The Romans practiced a lot of measure re-settlement. Actually Sarmatians were settled in Macedonia also, some of those "300, 000) (not doubt exaggerated figure by the Romans) Limigantes redistrubuted throughtout Moesia Inferior, Dacia Ripensis and Macedonia; there were also "Goths", possibly Cumans (-> Cumanovo), and even a group of Magyars ! There were Kuvars people also. Don't think there were any Pechenges, they all went to NE Bulgaria and around Belgrade. (see Curta). Unfortunately , there were no Celts. They raided, but not settled in Macedonia. They settled around Belgrade (Scrodisci) and Bulgaria (Tylis, etc) Slovenski Volk (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

For now, I have amended it slightly to what we have references for. If you can find references for Kumans that would be great ! I couldnt find it in Curta's paper. Slovenski Volk (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

The Historical dictionary of Republic of Macedonia mentiones Pechenegs' as Turkic settlers in Byzantine Macedonia, together with Kumans and Vardariots during 11-12th century. However, Curta wrote: It has been noted that the earliest Pecheneg raids into the Balkans shifted from west (1027) to east (1036), in order to spare provinces that had been attacked in previous years. The reason for this shift in raiding appears to be that the regions of western Bulgaria, Serbia, and Macedonia were less fortifed. Jingiby (talk) 16:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi I replied on my TP Slovenski Volk (talk) 02:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and as for the Pechenegs - yes they raided Macedonia, but they were not settled there. Only around Belgrade and NE Bulgaria. Raiding is different from settlement. The aim of raiding is raping and pillaging. Settlement was only ever done with Roman permission - federates or defeated, pacified and Christianized/ Romanizsed enemies - eg Getae, Sarmatians, Carpi, etc were all defeated groups, not groups which forced their way in. Becuase a raiding group can go all the way to Greece, camp the winter there, but ultimately can never settle becuase the Romans would always eventually 'catch up with them'. Even with the Slavs/ Avars, the emerging evidence suggests that, yes they raided, but did not settle till later. it appears that the Byzantines tactically withdrew much of the population of the Balkans further south. Then the Slavs settled (? were allowed to settle) by Phocas or Heraclius. The problem is the sources are silent on this matter, becuase the Byzantine historians of the 8th/ 9th century disliked those Emperors. Slovenski Volk (talk) 08:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

@Rv. Not an improvement.

By improvement it hasn't meant only rewording, but also putting stats, references and general description. Do you understand now what I've meant? Don't go into verbal war with me. Have a nice day. AirWolf (talk) 14:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have written this in affect. Thought you've meant my edits. Bye.

Don't worry. However my edits didn'n change nothing you have edited. Jingiby (talk) 14:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi and happy new year. Because I do not want to revert you, I bring forth attention to your latest edit to the 'Identities' par: "These Slavs did not have sufficient state-building skills, they failed to unite them and in the 8th century they were reconquered by the Byzantines.[88] On the other hand, recent prestigious publications by Florin Curta describe the great Slavic invasion of the 6th and 7th century on the Balkans and particularly in Macedonia as an 19th-century historical invention.[89] Thus, the construction of the first South Slavic states was organized by a subsequent invaders, called Croats, Serbs and Bulgars and the local (Slavic) poulation in today Republic of Macedonia was conquered by the Bulgars in the middle of the 9th century.[9'

• Curta does not state that the Slavic invasion was invented, but it happened later (ie 7th century, not 5th or 6th). He rather states there was no migration from 'mother Russia' to the Danube. That is where your Daminopoulos """"scholar"" (sorry, Im choking from laughter) misunderstood . BTW you should generally avoid using a second ""scholar"' to interpret the work of an original modern source. That's just poor editing, especially when its decidedly wrong. There definitely was a migration of some sort into the Balkans from Romania, at some time between 600 and 700, the details of which are still being clarified.
• But Curta (and others) say that there was no separate migrations of "Serbs" and "Croat" migration which was actually a 'politogenesis' in the 9th century. The Bulgar invasion obviously did occur- as plenty of contemporary sources noticed it.
• The Macedonian area was not conquered by the Byzantines "Stauriakos campaigns had no effect on the Sklaviniae in northern Greece"[4], but were Byzantine 'clients' , yet independent. They later joined Bulgaria. There is no evidence of a Bulgarian invasion into northern Macedonia (apart from some raids into the far eastern aspect - around Struma and Thessaloniki) - as per the cited reference by Fine in the 'origins' section.
• "These Slavs did not have sufficient state-building skills" That's just stupid. Croats, Serbs, Poles , are all Slavs and they all formed "states"

So i suggest you remove the entire addition- as it is full of factual errors and non-relevant topics. Noone claimed that there was a "state' in 8th century ?!

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Happy new year! Check the sources. All are academic tertiarry sources and they support every word written there. Also other users comments on talk are interesting for you, as for example: "... Meanwhile, user Slovenski Volk is providing many POV arguments... I am more than inclined here to agree with user Jingiby. On a different, user Slovenski Volk has repeatedly used unacceptable language that is ad hominem..." etc. Also keep in mind you that you are under ARBMAC restrictions. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

fine . You're right because Politis (unbiased) agrees with you. I dont care about Macedonians and whether they 'are BUlgarians" (as Ive stated numerous times), but care about historical accuracy. You have made blatant errors and gross misunderstanding of texts - eg Curta. Your english is poor , lacking an understanding of basic propositions and syntax ("Slavic invasion on the Balkans"), and you dont appear to even known what tertiary level sourcing is - Academic, peer-reviewed international Journals, not sensationalist, nationalist "books" by unheard of Greek and Bulgarian chauvanists. So keeep up the good -work, it is a testament to you. See u round, "drugar" Slovenski Volk (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your advises. Jingiby (talk) 06:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

wp:ae

I've mentioned you in a wp:ae case that concerns Slovenski Volk. In fact his pov agenda in Ethnic Macedonians, made clear that some people can't give up with the same pov.Alexikoua (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian Vukašin Mrnjavčević from Bosnian town Livno which is in Herzegovina

Bulgarian Vukašin Mrnjavčević from Bosnian town Livno which is in Herzegovina? Are you sure that this diff of yours was really (Rv. POV.)?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 09:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Of course, that was a mistake. I have corrected myself. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 10:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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The UCLA data is from the 1980s, and the BBC uses the same number (god knows where they got it from), while Ethnologue is from the 2011 census (though their Ukrainian data is undated). — kwami (talk) 07:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

The UCLA cites 1999 data. Jingiby (talk) 07:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Demacedonization

I noticed your edit diff aimed to equate Macedonian identity with regional identity. No doubt you know that Macedonian ethnic identity emerged in 19th century. Unless you are able to provide RS for each individual people please don't attribute them regional identity based on general observation of authors from Bulgaria.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Please do not use unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography. Do revert reliably sourced clarifying content. Discuss on talk. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 13:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

With this comment (diffs) you accused me for "biased edits and POV-pushing". Will you please be so kind to present diffs that justify your accusation?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography

With this edit (diff) you labeled the source I used as "unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography" and insisted that I should "discuss on talk". You tagbombed the article I just created tagging "unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography" of Aaron Assa as unreliable. But when I followed your request and used talkpage to discuss this issue you refused to reply to my question about the source I used although I asked you two times about "Yugoslav communist historiography" of Aaron Assa (diff1 and diff2) and replied with "full stop for now" (diff).

I expect you to either prove that work of Aaron Assa is "unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography" or to apologize for your actions and revert your tagging.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Assa was an communist partisan during WWII, who later moved to Israel. He published his book at first in 1972 in Tel Aviv. Parts from it were crticized by the Macedonian Patriotic Organization as biased publication afterwards in their magazine Macedonian Tribune. Check here, please. Also read a critical view to its interpretation by the post-communist Macedonian historiography in Bringing the Dark Past to Light: The Reception of the Holocaust in Postcommunist Europe, John-Paul Himka, Joanna Beata Michlic, University of Nebraska Press, 2013, ISBN 0803246471, pp. 359-360. Jingiby (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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When I saw you added some link I hoped I was wrong and reverted myself. Unfortunately, you failed to prove that work of Aaron Assa is "unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography". One text published by Вида Боева Попова that criticizes Assa for not emphasizing that Macedonians are Bulgarians (пропуска да отбележи, че тия „дейни членове на македонското движение“ бяха българи) speaks for itself. Pointing to Macedonian Patriotic Organization that promotes the view that ethnic Macedonians are Bulgarians additionally shows the weakness of your arguments.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Assa himself was an communist activist, and his interpretation of the historical events is nonproffessional and biased. I do not say Boeva is objective, she is also biased from another angle. Jingiby (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You failed to prove that work of Bulgarian author Aaron Assa is "unreliable, biased sources from Yugoslav Communist historiography". Communist ≠ nonproffessional and biased by definition. You have very pragmatic approach to communist era historical works. When they support Bulgarian identity of some Macedonian (diff) you don't mind if a source is published in communist era Bulgaria. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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I have engaged in Edit war and for Good Reason

Hi. It has been said so many times that images of Prophet Mohammed (SAS) and other Prophets as a matter of fact is a false testament in a way to what they looked like. No one knows in this current situation what they looked like. So posting Their images is a serious offence against Islam.

You say you don't censor content. Tell me how come is this censorship. You are allowing wrong information to be imprinted on the website and you say you don't censor content. Freedom is everyone's right and should be performed in a rightful way without hurting one's sentiments.

I request Wikipedia again to remove alleged images of Prophets from articles they are present in. This is a serious offence against Islam and Allah doesn't like it. This is totally wrong to our beliefs.

I am not an enemy. Just trying to protect my religion from such acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferraribauer (talk • contribs) 10:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand you, however Wikipedia is not a religious website and it does not respect the Islamic dogmas, i.e. images of Prophet Mohammed are accepted here as some kind of information about the founder of the Islam, not as a brake of its rules. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Jingiby, thanks for reaching out. It is said that Wikipedia is for gaining Knowledge. What good is Knowledge if it's false? Posting blasphemous images in this context is like providing a graphical representation of what had happened. Isn't this wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferraribauer (talk • contribs) 11:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Boyko Borisov

Hello. I write to you because of the changes you made with the information I shared. It provides the viewers with wider information which for sure helps him or her in getting acquainted with the personality of Boyko Borisov. And this is the reason I applied the information. Thank you. 16:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nneeppttuunn (talk • contribs)

Politicalexpert (talk) 08:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)Hi. I really think that you made a mistake, when you delete all my edits, because I use absolutely new source of information and this is the official site of Boyko Borissov, whose actually real name is with double S, which is wrong here. You can see all the information I added here I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.Thank you very much

Hi. Please avoid self-published sources per WP:BLPSPS. Never use self-published sources – including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets – as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject. Using the subject as a self-published source per WP:BLPSELFPUB. Living persons may publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if: it is not unduly self-serving; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; the article is not based primarily on such sources. Jingiby (talk) 09:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I put a detailed biography from his personal site which can be find everywhere but not here and also a lot of new information from different sources which you delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicalexpert (talk • contribs) 10:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Facts

and historical documents of serbian Macedonia you are calling forum? ha...My dear you should learn something! Stop delete that document because truth is thing by which we calling ourselves human.--Boris Godunov (talk) 03:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Please, keep in mind, I have removed a lot of outdated sources from the talk page of the article Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonoia because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal and finally Wikipedia is not a forum. Check What Wikipedia is not. Check also Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. The "Talk" page on Wikipedia is associated with each article and helps coordinate work among multiple editors. Also editors may use the "Talk" page to reach consensus. I did not see some kind of that ideas by your pushing of outdated, biased info there. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 07:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

If it is valid documents with references, then you dont think that is useful for someone who wants to give more for this article? Based on what?--Boris Godunov (talk) 12:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Based on Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (history). Jingiby (talk) 12:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Are you administrator on this wiki? And if you are not stop deleteing documents!--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC) Anyway, you can deleteing valid documents maybe in bulgarian wikipedia, this is wiki in ENGLISH not voulgar!--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Check Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 13:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Is that your answer? RE YOU admin OR NOT?--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Keep the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

As user on this wiki i will bring back this documents. You deleted it, not me! So stop acting like that (without reason) only because you dont want or like to see real and valid documents. There is people which wants to see it! Thank you user. --Boris Godunov (talk) 13:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC) I am happy about it! Finally, its time to someone said stop for "autocrats without crown" which deleteing documents and behave as wiki is their own property. So let-s see. To bring valid documents on talk page is that a crime? No!--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC) Anyway, why i see in article thing like "Bulgarians"?!? This is article of people which are speaking slavic language in REPUBLIC OF GREECE, about which "bulgarian" we are talking here?--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC) LANGUAGE is one thing, ETHNICITY OF PEOPLE is not relevant for this article. So when you changed article and talk about theme, then the reason for my documents will be out of questions!--Boris Godunov (talk) 13:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your improvements to Massacres against Turks during the Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. Star Lord - 星王 (talk) 17:26, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

No problems. Jingiby (talk) 05:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Instead of reverting my edits and posting unnecessary warnings on my talk page, how about we try to find a solution and work together to contribute to the Bulgarians article. I do not know if you have some kind of "agenda" and I am not sure what your viewpoints are regarding Bulgaria and the Bulgarian peoples, but we need to work together in a neutral way to contribute to the article. Nicholas ^(Alo!) 20:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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A new user who focused and targeted on Bulgarian-related articles: His contributions. Please verify his edits. Thanks. --Zyma (talk) 07:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

OK. Jingiby (talk) 07:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Sofia mosques

I did not do my own research in this issue and its not about the bulding functioning as a Mosque. Machiel Kiel is an historian on Ottoman architecture and he says two mosques remains in Sofia. See the National Archaeological Museum (Bulgaria). Which is a former mosque. Bangyulol (talk) 12:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

OK! Jingiby (talk) 12:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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