Jenny Knocking

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Missvain (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Reuploading deleted images for Elise McCann article

I see you uploaded two images that had been deleted on the commons. That's really a nono because the reason they were deleted was never resolved, you just bypassed the situation. The images had no permission from the copyright holder. They were sent to you by the subject and in most instances the subject is not the copyright holder, so they cannot give their permission, that usually remains with the photographer. There is now an open ticket for two images and I've tagged them with the ticket number but as yet the permission has not been verified.

Please be just more careful in future when dealing with the complex topic of copyright, as you actually have no evidence for your edit summary: "Elise McCann - the actor shown in the image provided the photo and has released them for use" because it's just their say so. I'm presume it was just a simple lack of understanding in this instance. If you are not sure please ask or post the tag {{help me}} (with the curly brackets) on this talk page, or post a question at the commons village pump or on the media copyright questions page here. It's a pretty good article though. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 10:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Response to 'Reuploading deleted images for Elise McCann article

Hi Ww2censor. thank you so much for your message on my talk page - I hope I am writing in the correct place and you can/will see this response. I may try write on your talk page also. I am still new to Wiki and trying to learn how and where to do everything! Apologies if I am not quite there yet. In regards to the above images. I understand what you are saying. When the images were first deleted I emailed Elise McCann through her website and asked her if she could email wiki commons to confirm the release of copyright she had expressed to me. I was cc'd into an email that she wrote to wiki commons that said the images I re-uploaded were taken by her boyfriend on her phone at her request. Ill try paste her email below. So because the email said they were at her request on her phone - but obviously couldn't be taken by her exactly because she was in them - I thought that would mean copyright would be held by her and that her email would be accepted by wiki. How do I confirm this - I don't want to get into trouble or do the wrong thing. ~~ EMAIL: Subject: Re: [Ticket#2018121010003878] Release of Rights From Oriel Entertainment To Permissions - Wikimedia Commons Date 2018-12-12 09:02 Contact photoAttachments image1.jpeg (~177 KB) Show options image2.jpeg (~783 KB)

Hi Kevin, The photos were taken of me, On my phone. I had my boyfriend take two of them, and one of my cast members take the other - but On My phone because the photo is For me and owned by me.

Some of them I have on my website, but I actually just emailed the original Photos to Jennifer when she emailed. I have attached them again below.

Surely I don’t need to get my boyfriend to fill out a release saying he took the photos on my phone at my request?

Thank you for your assistance, look forward to hearing from you.

Best Elise

On 12 Dec 2018, at 11:26 am, Permissions - Wikimedia Commons <permissions-commons@wikimedia.org> wrote:

Dear Elise McCann, ~~ Jenny Knocking (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

I've already explained the process to Elise in an email on 12 December but as yet there has been no response. For privacy reasons I cannot discuss details this outside the OTRS ticket, but let me explain the basic problem. The very fact of taking a photo, not matter what device, confers the copyright to that person, not the owner of the smartphone/camera/whatever. Her boyfriend must send a permission statement, as detailed, using the same OTRS ticket number "2018121010003878" in the subject line of the email directly from their own email. I do not see your email anywhere in that ticket, maybe you can respond to the ticket with your email to be included any new correspondence about it if Elise agree to that.

BTW, the talkback template is all you need to notify an editor there is a message on YOUR talk page, especially if they are not watching your talk page. You can also just add the template, like this {{ping|only the users name}} (with the curly brackets) to your own talk page post and it then appears under their alerts at the top of any page they view. There is no need to repeat everything or even anything. The notification system is now very streamlined and an enwiki ping even shows up when viewing ones commons pages and visa versa. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 11:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)